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July 14, 2015, 11:16:23 PM
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I have massive doubts that a population that gets itself in such a situation (either by being corrupt themselves, or voting for a government that is), can manage Bitcoins. Bitcoins require a minimum intelligence for usage and protection against theft.

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the point of bitcoin, is that you don't need an autorithy that will manage it, i mean it's not citizens fault if greece is what it is right now, and if they choose bitcoin, they will basically get rid of their guilty entity which is their government.

when you have a central autorithy if they srew something everyone will suffer with bitcocin, each person is responsible for itself


I would love to see this communist paradise where the people has controll of the economy and is contributing to a common good. Greek has a lot of old style communists so the basis are there...

As we know from history all the other communist experiments has been a paradise for the people. All the communist states are run by the people and nowhere has an elite group taken the power for themself...

OMG are you that naive or you are troll?

All communists countries were ruled by an elite 10-20 people on the top of the party. They were all tyranical dictatorships where dissidents were murdered and sent to forced labour camps.

If that is your "paradise" then go get it, i dont want to be part of it.

Communism is beautiful in theory. But unfortunatly do not work in pracsis due to the nature of humans. Humans are selfish, you need to be unselfish for communism to work, even though you work harder and better than the person next to you, you have to accept that you get the same, even accept that he get more. I would love a world where there was no money, no one was rich no one was poor, people just strive to educate them self and contribute. But it will not happen because of the nature of the human genome.
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July 14, 2015, 11:34:44 PM
 #102

I have massive doubts that a population that gets itself in such a situation (either by being corrupt themselves, or voting for a government that is), can manage Bitcoins. Bitcoins require a minimum intelligence for usage and protection against theft.

 Embarrassed


the point of bitcoin, is that you don't need an autorithy that will manage it, i mean it's not citizens fault if greece is what it is right now, and if they choose bitcoin, they will basically get rid of their guilty entity which is their government.

when you have a central autorithy if they srew something everyone will suffer with bitcocin, each person is responsible for itself


I would love to see this communist paradise where the people has controll of the economy and is contributing to a common good. Greek has a lot of old style communists so the basis are there...

As we know from history all the other communist experiments has been a paradise for the people. All the communist states are run by the people and nowhere has an elite group taken the power for themself...


OMG are you that naive or you are troll?

All communists countries were ruled by an elite 10-20 people on the top of the party. They were all tyranical dictatorships where dissidents were murdered and sent to forced labour camps.

If that is your "paradise" then go get it, i dont want to be part of it.



And you are to stupid to see the irony? All the communist movements sounded like those on this forum who think everything will be so nice in the future of bitcoin where noone pays tax and everything is run by donations. History shows something completely different.

I am old enough to remember communist movements and have heard all the arguments about banks and capitalism before.

Well then look again, being old doesnt mean you get to sit on tv and watch soap operas all day.

Sure you can have a vacation and enjoy your golden years, but that is only reserved for those who worked hard and earned much money.

I am a true 100% capitalist and i dont like banks, i think you dont know what real capitalism means, better read up on it more.


Communism is beautiful in theory. But unfortunatly do not work in pracsis due to the nature of humans. Humans are selfish, you need to be unselfish for communism to work, even though you work harder and better than the person next to you, you have to accept that you get the same, even accept that he get more. I would love a world where there was no money, no one was rich no one was poor, people just strive to educate them self and contribute. But it will not happen because of the nature of the human genome.

Even in theory its horrible. How can you seriously imagine a world where everyone is the same , equal.

It would be the most boring world ever and everyone would commit suicide, and the whole race would dissapear.

Diversity is what gives excitement in life.

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July 15, 2015, 06:52:35 AM
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Communism is beautiful in theory. But unfortunatly do not work in pracsis due to the nature of humans. Humans are selfish, you need to be unselfish for communism to work, even though you work harder and better than the person next to you, you have to accept that you get the same, even accept that he get more. I would love a world where there was no money, no one was rich no one was poor, people just strive to educate them self and contribute. But it will not happen because of the nature of the human genome.
That sounds exactly like the current system and not like communism.

Even in theory its horrible. How can you seriously imagine a world where everyone is the same , equal.

It would be the most boring world ever and everyone would commit suicide, and the whole race would dissapear.

Diversity is what gives excitement in life.
In communism people are just the same, when it comes to how much they get paid. Being free from the fear of not earning enough money to survive, people could be just more creative about the work they employ, that would even lead to more diversity (in theory).
I also don't think, communism(the real one) would work well, but it's still terrible what people think, communism is about.

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July 15, 2015, 07:38:33 AM
 #104

I have massive doubts that a population that gets itself in such a situation (either by being corrupt themselves, or voting for a government that is), can manage Bitcoins. Bitcoins require a minimum intelligence for usage and protection against theft.

 Embarrassed


the point of bitcoin, is that you don't need an autorithy that will manage it, i mean it's not citizens fault if greece is what it is right now, and if they choose bitcoin, they will basically get rid of their guilty entity which is their government.

when you have a central autorithy if they srew something everyone will suffer with bitcocin, each person is responsible for itself


I would love to see this communist paradise where the people has controll of the economy and is contributing to a common good. Greek has a lot of old style communists so the basis are there...

As we know from history all the other communist experiments has been a paradise for the people. All the communist states are run by the people and nowhere has an elite group taken the power for themself...


OMG are you that naive or you are troll?

All communists countries were ruled by an elite 10-20 people on the top of the party. They were all tyranical dictatorships where dissidents were murdered and sent to forced labour camps.

If that is your "paradise" then go get it, i dont want to be part of it.



And you are to stupid to see the irony? All the communist movements sounded like those on this forum who think everything will be so nice in the future of bitcoin where noone pays tax and everything is run by donations. History shows something completely different.

I am old enough to remember communist movements and have heard all the arguments about banks and capitalism before.

Well then look again, being old doesnt mean you get to sit on tv and watch soap operas all day.

Sure you can have a vacation and enjoy your golden years, but that is only reserved for those who worked hard and earned much money.

I am a true 100% capitalist and i dont like banks, i think you dont know what real capitalism means, better read up on it more.


Communism is beautiful in theory. But unfortunatly do not work in pracsis due to the nature of humans. Humans are selfish, you need to be unselfish for communism to work, even though you work harder and better than the person next to you, you have to accept that you get the same, even accept that he get more. I would love a world where there was no money, no one was rich no one was poor, people just strive to educate them self and contribute. But it will not happen because of the nature of the human genome.

Even in theory its horrible. How can you seriously imagine a world where everyone is the same , equal.

It would be the most boring world ever and everyone would commit suicide, and the whole race would dissapear.

Diversity is what gives excitement in life.

Not much siting around watching soap since i dont have a television. I got a bunch of computers so i dont need television....


As a capitalist you should be aware that the banking system is the main driving force of capitalism. If i have an idea for a busyness i need money to start it. There the banks come in and help me out so i can get it going.

Inflasion rate is also a capitalism tool. To low and the investment rate slows down. To high and investments get to risky. Every country in the world strives to get inflasion to the right level.

I do think there are others who should read up on capitalism. You could ask those who are manipulating bitcoin price. They seem to know their stuff.
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July 15, 2015, 07:53:24 AM
 #105

I have massive doubts that a population that gets itself in such a situation (either by being corrupt themselves, or voting for a government that is), can manage Bitcoins. Bitcoins require a minimum intelligence for usage and protection against theft.

 Embarrassed


the point of bitcoin, is that you don't need an autorithy that will manage it, i mean it's not citizens fault if greece is what it is right now, and if they choose bitcoin, they will basically get rid of their guilty entity which is their government.

when you have a central autorithy if they srew something everyone will suffer with bitcocin, each person is responsible for itself


I would love to see this communist paradise where the people has controll of the economy and is contributing to a common good. Greek has a lot of old style communists so the basis are there...

As we know from history all the other communist experiments has been a paradise for the people. All the communist states are run by the people and nowhere has an elite group taken the power for themself...

OMG are you that naive or you are troll?

All communists countries were ruled by an elite 10-20 people on the top of the party. They were all tyranical dictatorships where dissidents were murdered and sent to forced labour camps.

If that is your "paradise" then go get it, i dont want to be part of it.

Communism is beautiful in theory. But unfortunatly do not work in pracsis due to the nature of humans. Humans are selfish, you need to be unselfish for communism to work, even though you work harder and better than the person next to you, you have to accept that you get the same, even accept that he get more. I would love a world where there was no money, no one was rich no one was poor, people just strive to educate them self and contribute. But it will not happen because of the nature of the human genome.

I agree with you.
People are not the same and will never be the same.
There will always be those who are more capable and those who are less capable.
Communism failed because it gave everyone equally, regardless of the effort and results of the work, so people lost motivation to work hard and produce something new.
Money will always be required but also is important that welfare state protects the weakest and most vulnerable in society.

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July 15, 2015, 02:58:55 PM
 #106

I do think there are others who should read up on capitalism. You could ask those who are manipulating bitcoin price. They seem to know their stuff.

I think China, the communist nation, is one of the biggest driving force behind bitcoin price manipulation.
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July 17, 2015, 05:27:09 PM
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Communism is beautiful in theory. But unfortunatly do not work in pracsis due to the nature of humans. Humans are selfish, you need to be unselfish for communism to work, even though you work harder and better than the person next to you, you have to accept that you get the same, even accept that he get more. I would love a world where there was no money, no one was rich no one was poor, people just strive to educate them self and contribute. But it will not happen because of the nature of the human genome.
That sounds exactly like the current system and not like communism.

Even in theory its horrible. How can you seriously imagine a world where everyone is the same , equal.

It would be the most boring world ever and everyone would commit suicide, and the whole race would dissapear.

Diversity is what gives excitement in life.
In communism people are just the same, when it comes to how much they get paid. Being free from the fear of not earning enough money to survive, people could be just more creative about the work they employ, that would even lead to more diversity (in theory).
I also don't think, communism(the real one) would work well, but it's still terrible what people think, communism is about.

Fear of not earning enough money? That is exactly because of socialism.

Its very simple let me explain in 1 minute:


The wheel of the Devil

1)Government regulates economy / overtaxes it (central planning communist doctrine) to pay for welfare and
subsidy
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5)Your salary sucks and you get paid minimal wage because too much unemployment (and even the employed get paid less because the value of the worker is less when there is alot of unemployed people and few employers)
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6)You start crying to me on this forum about too little government regulation & welfare, and why the government doesn't protect workers from "evil" capitalists (when it was them that fucked it all up)
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7)Here we go again..it repeats.. and everytime it gets worse


So fuck communism/socialism/corporative fascism, we need libertarianism to remove the state from the economy, and then we might have a chance to become financially independent Smiley

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July 17, 2015, 05:35:17 PM
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Not much siting around watching soap since i dont have a television. I got a bunch of computers so i dont need television....


As a capitalist you should be aware that the banking system is the main driving force of capitalism. If i have an idea for a busyness i need money to start it. There the banks come in and help me out so i can get it going.

Inflasion rate is also a capitalism tool. To low and the investment rate slows down. To high and investments get to risky. Every country in the world strives to get inflasion to the right level.

I do think there are others who should read up on capitalism. You could ask those who are manipulating bitcoin price. They seem to know their stuff.

Acutally its not the banking system, its the stock market, we could be perfectly fine without a banking system.

Banks are a bronze age institution when people had physical wealth that needed to be protected, with bitcoin we dont even need the banking system at all.

Inflation is not capitalism, its a central bank invention, the biggest scam of all financial history -> Central banks are a communist insitution (central planning)

You obviously talking about keynesian economics which is a communist doctrine, try reading into austrian school of economics, you would be englightened very fast:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School



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