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July 09, 2015, 01:53:54 AM
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so the fee is for miner who'll confirm it

Yes, when miners confirm transactions, they get to keep the transaction fees.  So, by paying a fee on your transactions you provide an incentive for a miner to choose your transaction instead of a transaction from someone else that paid less of a fee.

how you got this code?

My wallet hadn't dropped your transaction from it's memory pool yet.

I ran getrawtransaction in the console in my Bitcoin Core wallet with the transactionID from the link you provided.


It sends the transaction to the peers that blockchain.info is connected to.
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July 09, 2015, 01:59:50 AM
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hmm, i think i'm starting understanding..., sorry i'm like a noob at technical area from bitcoin...

i just use it lol..., so the fee is for miner who'll confirm it

but i still don't understand well how this re-push works, how you got this code?

0100000005dcd2b41d5bc4901eda4d231d31e93142820b990229193d73ff14debfa6995e4601000 0006a47304402201181e80a9b04af821015b4aef64b7232c35c6560c1fd2a6c74f758f57c7c93fc 02201d177e2070ff242b6bee8965252fab37aa2b8489ce2c1b31339e72d3f11bd3ea0121024c21b 7e69f518a9aef328a6cd3c5ea3210a6f179132f3048709017498a308877ffffffff0c1ed07e35dc ce7af485274d47950cdde773ca933854f0927e792832447bd79b000000006b483045022100cd2d0 79cbf13244b4239086a1475a73ed28f875362ad8008093991c0188c10df022039b7cdbe97550b00 d9563d164336ca7eebcc8e1cd31a13503ae7d03866fb8b9a012102f7798d086be181be448739458 3845b9d1a068fd9d556d8c09e9184514ea93940ffffffffaaa18a166d75865cc3e83b746d902f43 fb97e4a2131d22676c42f02aac34c5ca010000006b483045022100ab41f7cc1b2842afb13532b64 458ab6ff1abeee7e77d02e6fea95943307fddeb02200c2accc3c44109c8d9140cf5b63a4ad97166 3e71567cc8376326165214981f670121028a1b335c72e6d45bbf69e68f2a53b9334835f4c3ee6ee e51b8b9db98f79bce97ffffffff404faac96dd69eabea60ce0a593bcc50072214865a21d9e1fbf4 49459ac39153000000006a4730440220139647c941c22a1057819d713d3b0dfc135bae940f51918 236c562791dcec6d402204a0900f6fe47da61d1e01e999a9326c65bb5d35f62c93bae1ed206a924 62c97b012103a0e56a757503f6aef59b3edc6420db962d58c2780b0f6ae1aad524cc4feb2d96fff ffffffbd70e8a98fbc691bb143daaa4126c2eb4ef2e6ba2ed1167b522d7e859303615010000006a 47304402205ed98ca834c27119d8eb85e8fc66b860703b0f44cb64bf068e816ccd31a1db7802200 2e48f79e9b8a1dea0372061b615292b9f81beea2957170410b92b726acb548b012103dbc1fc5554 a6ba5a1f5cae93729b86b4772e004830818b0ce24d7e2784409e6cffffffff0290683e000000000 01976a91459969991bab4b61778540ffe8ad02b2244ee243b88ac8f5d1000000000001976a91409 0672efce2b22b7ad64c36f2172c4b7470b5e4a88ac00000000

and what https://blockchain.info/pushtx exactly do?

Thanks man, you helping me alot ^^
The code is the raw hex of your transaction. This is what gets sent between nodes. Just copy and paste all of this into the link and click submit transaction and that transaction will be resubmit to the Bitcoin network for it to reach miners and hopefully become confirmed.

thanks for info ^^

so the fee is for miner who'll confirm it

Yes, when miners confirm transactions, they get to keep the transaction fees.  So, by paying a fee on your transactions you provide an incentive for a miner to choose your transaction instead of a transaction from someone else that paid less of a fee.

how you got this code?

My wallet hadn't dropped your transaction from it's memory pool yet.

I ran getrawtransaction in the console in my Bitcoin Core wallet with the transactionID from the link you provided.


It sends the transaction to the peers that blockchain.info is connected to.


thanks!, so now i only need a good miner charity my transaction lol and if it disappear i call again until a day i can get confirm? ^^
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July 09, 2015, 02:01:56 AM
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ah... Network Propagation: 18% - 207 Nodes - (Very Poor)

what this mean? that it sent to 207 miner?
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July 09, 2015, 02:02:46 AM
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well, at least it is better than before... it was 0%, with 0 nodes lol
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July 09, 2015, 02:15:43 AM
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ah... Network Propagation: 18% - 207 Nodes - (Very Poor)

what this mean? that it sent to 207 miner?

No.  Just that 207 peers seem to be aware of the transaction.  Maybe all of them are miners.  Maybe none of them are miners.  No way to know for sure.
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July 09, 2015, 03:40:42 AM
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I'm one of them from Slush pool it been stetting there for a a day now i think, it says unconfirmed, i mined it.


1d2d8ac1bc63d39f435c0bf1aa30844433e32feaca507e3925e6c46844107402

it's not much but sense then i did a big payout on Eligius Pool Statistics and it's all most completely confirmed.  by completely confirmed if you mine there you know how there payout works, i love it . 

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July 09, 2015, 04:52:44 AM
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Quote from: SoundMike
"The 1 MB blocksize limit was only put in as a tx spam limiting measure"
and
"The tx spam that is backing up in the memepool is proof we need to remove the blocksize limit"
Only one of these statements can be true.
Pick one.

I can't put it any better than that. People saying that we need to raise the blocksize limit to prevent DOS is utterly and obviously senseless, illogical, and untrue; contrary to all reason or common sense; laughably foolish and false*.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cfext/bitcoin_under_attack/csvoxvp
*http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/absurd

This framing of the 1MB debate above is totally irrelevant to the historical and current context of the situation for Bitcoin.
Framing it in what way? I was saying that lifting the blocksize limit is not a way to prevent DOS or spam, which is true. Pedantically, larger blocks are negligibly harder to fill.
Redditors abound with this notion, and the OP thought that maybe this was the reason for the attack.

Trying to leverage the 1MB to force a viable fee-market earlier is a dangerous experiment in "Blockchain Economics", as the market will simply turn to other cryptocurrency solutions instead. Markets can't be forced to do anything, as a long list of central bankers are finding out time and time again.
So in the name of not messing with the market, we should mess with the market? In the name of not acting like central bankers, who arbitrarily modify the constraints of a currency, we should act like central bankers by modifying the constraints of a currency?

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July 09, 2015, 02:28:18 PM
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Round 2: Welcome to 2016, when the blocksize is still retarded small and more than 200 000 people want to use Bitcoin once a day!

Over 50 000 transactions now, with a new mempool size record, over 1 full day to clear the current backlog.

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July 09, 2015, 02:47:37 PM
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what will happen if a transaction is unconfirmed from last 30 hours , will i lose my BTC that i transacted?

https://blockchain.info/tx/174385838ce99ead1eefdf0afdf06261e5cb7835b0c350e02e102e5db17be4f0

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July 09, 2015, 02:49:15 PM
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what will happen if a transaction is unconfirmed from last 30 hours , will i lose my BTC that i transacted?

https://blockchain.info/tx/174385838ce99ead1eefdf0afdf06261e5cb7835b0c350e02e102e5db17be4f0
Yes, you will lose all your bitcoins and the wallet will explode!

In reality however, the BTC never left your wallet, it's still there...
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July 09, 2015, 03:44:40 PM
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what will happen if a transaction is unconfirmed from last 30 hours , will i lose my BTC that i transacted?

https://blockchain.info/tx/174385838ce99ead1eefdf0afdf06261e5cb7835b0c350e02e102e5db17be4f0

uhh no, you will not loose your BTC, anyway because of current load and ongoing stress tests you will have to wait even more. your fee (0.0001112 BTC) is also not the highest one these times, when we had even almost 5k tx per block..
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July 09, 2015, 03:48:51 PM
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And the worst thing about all this is, it only took $400 dollars to do.
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July 09, 2015, 04:54:59 PM
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And the worst thing about all this is, it only took $400 dollars to do.
If the block was 8MB, it would have costed $3200 USD dollars moneys.
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And the worst thing about all this is, it only took $400 dollars to do.
If the block was 8MB, it would have costed $3200 USD dollars moneys.
No.

Imagine that you were in a shipping company that ships boxes of air to other people, and your manager is complaining because the boxes are always full. He insists that you need to start using bigger boxes so that the boxes won't be full of air.

The point is that it is always trivial to send enough transactions to fill a block. Big blocks don't prevent spam, or DOS, nor do they necessarily make it more expensive. The bigger the blocks, the smaller the fees for inclusion.

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July 09, 2015, 05:03:50 PM
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I was just thinking what will happened if 28 000 visa transactions will be messed in the world.
28k tx. is a large amount. Hope will be solved asap.
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July 09, 2015, 05:12:13 PM
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Did the people responsible for these so called tests say when there tests will stop? If this goes on, it will take  a week to confirm all the transactions in the mempool. Is this there method of proving we need larger blocks or larger blocks lead to spam and oversized blockchain?
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July 09, 2015, 05:22:45 PM
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Code:
$ ~/bitcoin-0.10.2/bin/bitcoin-cli getmempoolinfo
{
    "size" : 59651,
    "bytes" : 112127725
}

Impressive, but not unexpected. Transactions have always been very cheap. I'm surprised this attack didn't happen before.

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July 09, 2015, 05:39:35 PM
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And the worst thing about all this is, it only took $400 dollars to do.
If the block was 8MB, it would have costed $3200 USD dollars moneys.
No.

Imagine that you were in a shipping company that ships boxes of air to other people, and your manager is complaining because the boxes are always full. He insists that you need to start using bigger boxes so that the boxes won't be full of air.

The point is that it is always trivial to send enough transactions to fill a block. Big blocks don't prevent spam, or DOS, nor do they necessarily make it more expensive. The bigger the blocks, the smaller the fees for inclusion.

It does become more expensive to raise the transaction fee to a certain minimum price though.

If the mempools start struggling to keep up, all you need to do is configure them to ignore transactions below some price. The current minimum price is clearly too cheap, as these attacks are being effective at filling mempools.
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July 09, 2015, 06:04:52 PM
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It does become more expensive to raise the transaction fee to a certain minimum price though.

If the mempools start struggling to keep up, all you need to do is configure them to ignore transactions below some price. The current minimum price is clearly too cheap, as these attacks are being effective at filling mempools.
What's wrong with the mempool filling up and increasing your own transaction fee? The minimum bitcoin fee is zero. The default minimum is 0.0001  bitcoins, but that is entirely optional.
The developers so far have been reluctant to implement any kind of price fixing measures, knowing the negative consequences of it. This includes not only the fact that changing any of those parameters would require a hard fork, but also all of the other inherit economic problems.

https://mises.ca/posts/articles/false-remedy-price-fixing/

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July 09, 2015, 08:01:05 PM
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If the mempools start struggling to keep up, all you need to do is ...
... kick people out so the remaining people can place their transactions in an orderly fashion?

66 000 transactions now.
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