Incest a 'fundamental right', German committee says

[V for Varoufakis]

I am not surprised. It is a sick country. We must kick out them from Europe.

[Lauda]

Maybe I am too old for this century...

I'm starting to feel this way more and more every day as I read madness like this.

Well I guess most people do not like change, and that is what is causing problems. (not necessarily related to the thread) I wonder exactly if and how much incest there was in the past?
I could understand 2nd and 3rd cousins, but not closer. However, can we judge people based on that just because we can not understand their emotions/actions?

I am not surprised. It is a sick country. We must kick out them from Europe.

Just because a committee stated this, it is a sick country? How about we do not generalize.

[Nemo1024]

If we turn to animal kingdom, there are examples of both incest, rape, interspecies sex and paedophilia.

The question is: should we give up one of the things that makes us human?

[Wilikon]

If we turn to animal kingdom, there are examples of both incest, rape, interspecies sex and paedophilia.

The question is: should we give up one of the things that makes us human?

Apparently yes since:

Well I guess most people do not like change, and that is what is causing problems.

If you believe those quotes are out of context, please read them whole, as usual...

[Lauda]

Apparently yes since:

If you believe those quotes are out of context, please read them whole, as usual...

I said that because of the recent situation in America. That wasn't specifically pointed towards this subject.
If you consider this then one has to understand which question is being asked:
'Is incest bad?' (e.g. inbreeding) or
'Is incest wrong?' (ethics)
Even if we believe that consenting adults should be able to have sex with whomever they please, reproducing with a close relative has serious drawbacks. I should just leave this here:

One study found that 40 percent of children whose parents were first-degree relatives were born with autosomal recessive disorders, congenital physical malformations, or severe intellectual deficits. According to the study, when first-degree relatives mate, the risk of their child suffering from an early death, serious birth defect, or mental disability increases to almost 50 percent.

[V for Varoufakis]

Germans are perverts. Everybody knows that. They make sex with animals. lol

[Wilikon]

Apparently yes since:

If you believe those quotes are out of context, please read them whole, as usual...

I said that because of the recent situation in America. That wasn't specifically pointed towards this subject.
If you consider this then one has to understand which question is being asked:
'Is incest bad?' (e.g. inbreeding) or
'Is incest wrong?' (ethics)
Even if we believe that consenting adults should be able to have sex with whomever they please, reproducing with a close relative has serious drawbacks. I should just leave this here:

One study found that 40 percent of children whose parents were first-degree relatives were born with autosomal recessive disorders, congenital physical malformations, or severe intellectual deficits. According to the study, when first-degree relatives mate, the risk of their child suffering from an early death, serious birth defect, or mental disability increases to almost 50 percent.

The context of this thread is incest in germany, not ssm in the usa. Two consenting adults having sex is not illegal in germany, no matter who. That is what this "law" says. We all know the numbers but that did not stop people from rejecting that reality.


It is as it is.

[german pervert]

Germans are perverts. Everybody knows that. They make sex with animals. lol

All these are lies. We dont make sex with animals. The animals attack to us and rape us.

[BLKBITZ]

Everyone on that continent is related so they have to inbred.

[ObscureBean]

I'm not sure what to make of this. Maybe this is morally wrong, but should it be legal or not? Now if you take into consideration that humans should be allowed to love whoever they want, should this not be a right?
I can't imagine myself doing this, there is no way. I think that a father/daughter, mother/son kind of interaction would be worst at best. I'd hate to see their children suffer defects.

The problem is not so much about the right to love whoever you want, it's about the kids possibly not having a say in the matter. If incest were to become legal, you would most definitely have people who would start having/growing brainwashed sons and daughters just for their own sexual gratification. And I have no doubt that you would also see a massive surge in sexual abuse. People don't do it now because it's hard to hide but if everyone was having sex with their adult sons and daughters it would be much easier. Imagine a little kid growing up knowing about/see his/her big brother/sister having sex with their parents. You'll find kids bred to be slaves.   

[Wilikon]

I'm not sure what to make of this. Maybe this is morally wrong, but should it be legal or not? Now if you take into consideration that humans should be allowed to love whoever they want, should this not be a right?
I can't imagine myself doing this, there is no way. I think that a father/daughter, mother/son kind of interaction would be worst at best. I'd hate to see their children suffer defects.

The problem is not so much about the right to love whoever you want, it's about the kids possibly not having a say in the matter. If incest were to become legal, you would most definitely have people who would start having/growing brainwashed sons and daughters just for their own sexual gratification. And I have no doubt that you would also see a massive surge in sexual abuse. People don't do it now because it's hard to hide but if everyone was having sex with their adult sons and daughters it would be much easier. Imagine a little kid growing up knowing about/see his/her big brother/sister having sex with their parents. You'll find kids bred to be slaves.   

As I said it is baffling some people will try to rationalize everything humans do as "progress". The word "devolution" seems appropriate.

[Snail2]

I'm not sure what to make of this. Maybe this is morally wrong, but should it be legal or not? Now if you take into consideration that humans should be allowed to love whoever they want, should this not be a right?
I can't imagine myself doing this, there is no way. I think that a father/daughter, mother/son kind of interaction would be worst at best. I'd hate to see their children suffer defects.

Update: ObscureBean, I totally agree with your argument. You have stated a problem that this will cause.

Law should be some sort of projection of morality in defence of life and individuals. If law and moral are no longer form a whole, and/or the goal have changed, then one of those elements is fucked.

[bryant.coleman]

Germans are perverts. Everybody knows that. They make sex with animals. lol

Cool down Varoufakis!

According to the psychologists, most of the ultra-intelligent people will be having strange fetishes. Take the case of the Germans and the Japanese. They make the best machinery in the world. None of the appliances made in any of the other countries can compete with those from Germany and Japan, in terms of durability and quality. But the Japanese males have a habit of sniffing used panties, and the Germans have a weakness for sex with animals.

[Wilikon]

Germans are perverts. Everybody knows that. They make sex with animals. lol

Cool down Varoufakis!

According to the psychologists, most of the ultra-intelligent people will be having strange fetishes. Take the case of the Germans and the Japanese. They make the best machinery in the world. None of the appliances made in any of the other countries can compete with those from Germany and Japan, in terms of durability and quality. But the Japanese males have a habit of sniffing used panties, and the Germans have a weakness for sex with animals.

Whole countries of undy sniffers and 'horse lovers'? I doubt it.

[Tusk]

I thought incest was how one acquired blue blood?

[bryant.coleman]

Whole countries of undy sniffers and 'horse lovers'? I doubt it.

May be just 0.01% of the population, but it destroys the Japanese reputation abroad. They even have ATMs which dispense used undies. Check this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPqol5Qvq_E

Now the police seems to be cracking down on these vending machines, as most of them are suspected of selling stuff from under-age girls.

[CEG5952]

I thought incest was how one acquired blue blood?

I don't know much about the blue blood thing. I think its weird to see a blue blood spilling lol. Anyway, If they're about to legalize incest acts in German, it would be a very very sick country IMO. Why in the world?

[twister]

This door I think opened when Gay Marriage started getting legal status in different parts of the world and now all the freaks will start yelling to legalize all the fucked up things which they do quietly, now it's incest pretty soon it will be bestiality because they'll say their dog loves them and they love it and so why can't they fuck their dog legally? It's consensual sex.  

[MakingMoneyHoney]

This door I think opened when Gay Marriage started getting legal status in different parts of the world and now all the freaks will start yelling to legalize all the fucked up things which they do quietly, now it's incest pretty soon it will be bestiality because they'll say their dog loves them and they love it and so why can't they fuck their dog legally? It's consensual sex.  

Sin begets sin.

Human-animal marriage is not recognized in law by any country, although attempts to marry animals have been recorded.

Bestiality Surges Hours After New Zealand Legalizes Gay Marriage

"Witnesses say that normal, healthy individuals who had previously shown no proclivity for human-animal sexual contact have suddenly thrown themselves into the frenzy.

"I dunno, it just seems like a logical thing to do," says 25-year-old Angus Oldfield. "Now that gays are allowed to get married, it seems like there's no limits anymore. Why not shag a sheep? Or snog a salamander? Or wed a wallaby? The rules no longer apply.""

[V for Varoufakis]

Germans are perverts. Everybody knows that. They make sex with animals. lol

Cool down Varoufakis!

According to the psychologists, most of the ultra-intelligent people will be having strange fetishes. Take the case of the Germans and the Japanese. They make the best machinery in the world. None of the appliances made in any of the other countries can compete with those from Germany and Japan, in terms of durability and quality. But the Japanese males have a habit of sniffing used panties, and the Germans have a weakness for sex with animals.

I am not Varoufakis. What kind of psychologists? Like Dr Hannibal Lecter? lol I like to put my finger into my ass and sniff it. Am i an ultra-intelligent? lol I feel a shame to be a member of a political union together with germans perverts scat lovers, incest lovers, animal lovers etc.