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What happened:: The user is selling a method that involves getting 150$ USD daily; I bought it using btc and agreed to vouch for him if the method was true. After checking out the method, I discover that it involves exploiting a referral service after that I ask for a deal if he wants for a bot (this was a real offer from me) so I can get my money back, the user decides that he does not want that, then after confronting him that this involves scam, that I want a refund and that he can edit his tread, add that it involves some kind of black hat and that you might get tagged by paypal/payza when trying to cash out your money, he tells me to try the method and that he'll refund me after 1 week if I dont make the money, and I proceed to tell him that I do not want to get my accounts tagged for some quick money. Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=511589Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1112089.0Amount Scammed: 0.0703 BTC (20$ USD at the moment of sending using bitstamp rate) Payment Method: BTCProof of Payment: https://blockchain.info/tx/9c2acd9cf8c361c785b2c43b7b3d14f09f03c0104a43605b16e5be669abaf265His receiving address was 17QXgVG5XfAEgPFq1aibQyLgPLSY1GQ3dX PM/Chat Logs: Skype chat log: [6:40:58 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Hey
[6:41:00 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Reynaldo here
[6:41:05 PM] RoughLyfe: Hey
[6:41:11 PM] Enmanuel Peña: How big is the txt?
[6:41:19 PM] RoughLyfe: Less then 1 mb
[6:41:21 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Can you send through a copy paste on email?
[6:41:26 PM] RoughLyfe: Sure
[6:41:33 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Send me the address to receive the bitcointalk.org forums
[6:41:49 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Ill send 20$ usd for the book and support using bitstamp rate.
[6:42:04 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Do you agree?
[6:42:07 PM] RoughLyfe: Sure
[6:42:09 PM] RoughLyfe: 17QXgVG5XfAEgPFq1aibQyLgPLSY1GQ3dX
[6:42:15 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Send the address
[6:42:20 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Through bitcointalk.org
[6:42:25 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Reynaldo
[6:42:40 PM] Enmanuel Peña: I'll send thr email there so you can send after
[6:43:24 PM] RoughLyfe: Done
[6:45:26 PM] RoughLyfe: When you sent let me know
[6:45:31 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Ok
[6:47:48 PM] RoughLyfe: Received,please send me your email
[6:48:15 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Sent through the forum
[6:48:22 PM] RoughLyfe: So this is your email?
[6:48:23 PM] RoughLyfe: [EMAIL REMOVED FOR PRIVACY CONCERNS]
[6:48:31 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Yes
[6:49:02 PM] RoughLyfe: Sent remember to vouch after reading!
[6:49:12 PM] Enmanuel Peña: I'll vouch after using
[6:49:46 PM] Enmanuel Peña: If after I do use it and it works, ill leave trust feedback, else I'll start a scam accusation on bitcointalk.org
[6:50:19 PM] RoughLyfe: Alright,and remember that there is a full refund guarantee if it doesn't work
[6:50:33 PM] Enmanuel Peña: You said i could cash out on bitcoin
[6:50:42 PM] Enmanuel Peña: That's only available for paypal.
[6:51:39 PM] RoughLyfe: The vouch said you can cash out in bitcoin,he said "I am not sure if it pays out in Bitcoin yet but I will try soon. All I can say is that the method lets you earn fiat to a Payza account, which you can then withdraw to Bitcoins. (IIRC Payza can exchange your fiat to bitcoins automatically when withdrawing, please correct me if I'm wrong)."
[6:51:52 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Yes, you are correct
[6:52:16 PM] RoughLyfe: Anyway happy earnings
[6:52:24 PM] Enmanuel Peña: The thing is that i might get my accounts tagged
[6:52:41 PM] Enmanuel Peña: If i cash out money from weird things that may get reversed
[6:52:59 PM] RoughLyfe: I've cashed out using this without getting charged back or any disputes
[6:53:09 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Yes but that's just now..
[6:53:19 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Imagine in the future
[6:53:34 PM] RoughLyfe: Ive been using it for a month
[6:54:55 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Yes but things like this get reversed eventually unless thr money is dirty
[6:55:21 PM] RoughLyfe: Well I don't think that will happen
[6:55:36 PM] Enmanuel Peña: This actually too involves deceiving a system and that's not well seen.
[6:56:01 PM] Enmanuel Peña: I've an offer for you.
[6:56:27 PM] RoughLyfe: ?
[6:56:28 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Send me back my 20$ btc and I'll make an autoitbot for you that you'll be able to sell.
[6:56:46 PM] RoughLyfe: I already have someone working on a bot
[6:56:46 PM] Enmanuel Peña: The code will be open and you can use it on Windows only
[6:57:20 PM] RoughLyfe: TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
[6:57:32 PM] RoughLyfe: That is my TOS on my thread.
[6:57:36 PM] RoughLyfe: A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
[6:57:43 PM] RoughLyfe: That is the TOS for a refund
[6:57:48 PM] Enmanuel Peña: I don't really want to get my paypal or payza account tagged
[6:58:12 PM] Enmanuel Peña: This involves deceiving and that's scamming not hard work.
[6:58:44 PM] RoughLyfe: Make an alt then
[6:59:48 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Ok, but what we do with that..?
[6:59:57 PM] Enmanuel Peña: You implied this was not blackhat
[7:00:01 PM] RoughLyfe: Its not
[7:00:03 PM] Enmanuel Peña: But it's exploiting a system
[7:00:08 PM] Enmanuel Peña: That's a scam.
[7:01:03 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Scam: fraudulent business scheme; to defraud.
[7:02:20 PM] RoughLyfe: Then i was wrong about this not being black hat
[7:03:13 PM] Enmanuel Peña: I'll let you edit your post and tell how we handled the situation if you send my money back.
[7:03:38 PM] Enmanuel Peña: And i promise not to divulge it as long as you add what this involves.
[7:03:40 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Om the post.
[7:03:45 PM] RoughLyfe: One,what happens if I don't?
[7:03:55 PM] RoughLyfe: Don't take the wrong way though
[7:04:40 PM] Enmanuel Peña: I'll just post a scam accusation on you selling a blackhat after stating that it was not, this involves exploiting and can get people tagged.
[7:05:01 PM] Enmanuel Peña: And the community will decided hoe this goes and which account gets negative trust.
[7:05:27 PM] RoughLyfe: 1:READ THE TOS
[7:05:32 PM] Enmanuel Peña: With the first method you'll be able to sell since people actually will do this
[7:05:32 PM] RoughLyfe: By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
[7:05:43 PM] RoughLyfe: I can deny any refunds/purchase
[7:05:48 PM] RoughLyfe: A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
[7:05:52 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Yes you can, it's a free world.
[7:06:02 PM] RoughLyfe: 2:Ebooks are considered gambles
[7:06:20 PM] RoughLyfe: If you don't like how it works,try it for a week and come back
[7:06:21 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Not
[7:06:32 PM] RoughLyfe: Then ill consider you a refund
[7:06:33 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Digital goods are not the gambling section
[7:06:46 PM] Enmanuel Peña: There's a gambling section on the forums that you can use
[7:07:13 PM] RoughLyfe: Ebooks are CONSIDERED gambling as you do not know if you will make your money back.Another thing you are extorting me which is considered scamming
[7:07:26 PM] Enmanuel Peña: No, im not extortin you
[7:07:56 PM] Enmanuel Peña: I'm trying to get you to put more information on your post and not say that this is not a blackhat when it clearly is.
[7:08:07 PM] RoughLyfe: Then Ill change it,happy?
[7:08:38 PM] Enmanuel Peña: And I'll lose my money after buying something that turn outs to be not what you were selling?
[7:08:46 PM] RoughLyfe: TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
[7:08:51 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Not to be* what you were selling.
[7:08:57 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Ok.
[7:09:04 PM] Enmanuel Peña: We are done then. Good luck man.
[7:09:53 PM] RoughLyfe: I assume your going to open a scam accusation?
[7:10:09 PM] Enmanuel Peña: You'll see it on the post.
[7:10:20 PM] Enmanuel Peña: I'll block you from here, please contact mr from thr forums.
[7:10:26 PM] RoughLyfe: Awesome,see you there
[7:10:34 PM] Enmanuel Peña: I won't leave negative rep till it gets sorted out.
[7:11:47 PM] Enmanuel Peña blocked edzamaro.
[7:13:27 PM] Enmanuel Peña: For the record.
[7:13:42 PM] Enmanuel Peña: Please, do not send any bitcoins to any address that was not given to you.
His original post: I'm going to sell this method that I have found,I am selling it since it will help me make money.Basically this method with take some time and patience put can make at least $150 daily which you can cash out in Paypal only as of now Normal Package($10) Just the method itself Contact me on Skype at edzamaro to buy Support Package($20) Comes with the ebook and Skype support Contact me on Skype at edzamaro to buy By buying the ebook you will receive all updates Please contact me if you want to purchase and remember there is a full refund guarantee if you don't make your money back with a week This does not involve e-whoring,hard work,PPD,PTC,PTP,Black Hat,CPA.It does however require time and patience I will be giving away 2 vouch copy to an eligible user,but they have to vouch within 12 hours. 2/2 vouch copies have been given away5/50 copies have been sold What you will need:2 gmail accounts and a paypal account TOS By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS This TOS can change at anytime You will not leak or distribute the ebook A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit. A chargeback will lead in a scam report I can deny any refunds/purchase Please don't contact me for a vouch copy Bitcoin,paypal and alt coins are accepted. There is a limited quantity of ebooks that will be sold,this make increaseFrom Vouch Copies The ebook is short but simple, it does require a lot of commitment and time though but it has the potential to make you a good amount of money. I haven't actually tried the method yet but I have read through it and will update with my progress using the method in my spare time. Bear in mind that it can also pay out in Bitcoins if you wish.  As far as I can tell, this appears to be a solid earning method. It's easy to run, and doesn't require much labor to get the method up and running. If you are willing to put in the work, this appears to be a solid way to earn.
From Paid Copies excellent guide and seller is very friendly and helpful....I will report back when I receive my first payment....looks promising...thanks.
the method seems to be very easy. I will try it in my spare time. I`m not sure if the site pays..as soon as I will hit the minimum withdraw I will try to cash out and I will update the results
for reference. After the conversation he removed blackhat from his post. My reference quote can be found with thins link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1112089.msg11846677#msg11846677
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RoughLyfe
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July 10, 2015, 11:26:17 PM |
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Again, read the damn tos.It reads TOS By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS This TOS can change at anytime You will not leak or distribute the ebook A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit. A chargeback will lead in a scam report I can deny any refunds/purchase Please don't contact me for a vouch copy I can deny any refunds/purchase and A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit. And here is a link to pictures of the conversation http://imgur.com/9fX8xPy,05gYSnL,zCScCRJ,jynS6Wo,4INenAi,TO99HpZ,gODWeoj,ZSf96fzI admit I didn't think it was blackhat so that was my fault,ebooks are considered a gamble,so it was a risk just buying the ebook since you didn't know if it would work. |
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Reynaldo (OP)
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July 10, 2015, 11:33:09 PM |
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Again, read the damn tos.It reads TOS By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS This TOS can change at anytime You will not leak or distribute the ebook A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit. A chargeback will lead in a scam report I can deny any refunds/purchase Please don't contact me for a vouch copy I can deny any refunds/purchase and A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit. And here is a link to pictures of the conversation http://imgur.com/9fX8xPy,05gYSnL,zCScCRJ,jynS6Wo,4INenAi,TO99HpZ,gODWeoj,ZSf96fzI admit I didn't think it was blackhat so that was my fault,ebooks are considered a gamble,so it was a risk just buying the ebook since you didn't know if it would work. You said it would work so there's no gambling since I took your word for it. You sold me something that you said you were not selling. Clearly, you state that you're selling a method that its not a black-hat and then say admit that it looks like a blackhat, therefor you sold me something different from what you posted and that's defrauding. |
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RoughLyfe
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July 10, 2015, 11:36:44 PM |
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It does work,you just never tried it.I admit that I didn't think it was black hat so thats a fault on my side.So now I know thats its black hat.I fixed the post so people know that it is,happy?And by buying the ebook you agreed to the following
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
In the TOS I specifically put A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.You bought it,read it and you requested a refund.I don't know if you will just leak it after this.
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July 10, 2015, 11:41:36 PM |
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It does work,you just never tried it.I admit that I didn't think it was black hat so thats a fault on my side.So now I know thats its black hat.I fixed the post so people know that it is,happy?And by buying the ebook you agreed to the following
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
In the TOS I specifically put A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.You bought it,read it and you requested a refund.I don't know if you will just leak it after this.
I'm not a scammer or a liar, I wont sell or leak your method, that would be the "justice" part but I dont think that it should work that way, so this is why I'm opening this post to see if you give me my money back and we can leave this behind, else the community shall decide who's right and If I dont deserve my refund. |
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RoughLyfe
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July 10, 2015, 11:47:17 PM |
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Will you just read the TOS
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
So when you bought it you agreed to it,if you didn't know that you agreed to it then you should have read the thread
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
Since your asking for a refund there is a high chance your trying to boost your reputation on leak or hack forums.
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
You didn't read this at all,A refund will only be give if you didn't make your money back in a WEEK, not a minute.It has to be under conditions I deem fit.It hasn't been a week and I doubt you tried it
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Im considering denying your refund because you didn't read my TOS
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July 11, 2015, 12:57:08 AM |
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RoughLyfe's TOS is a joke, you can't just write whatever you want as TOS:
"This TOS can change at anytime": You need to have versions or some track so it's know which version of your TOS was current when the purchase was made. If you update your TOS of course previous customers won't automatically be subjected to it.
"...under conditions I see fit": You need to establish the conditions you see fit, otherwise this phrase doesn't apply. You can't just make up what you see fit later depending on your own convenience.
"I can deny any refunds/purchase": Of course you can deny to sell your ebook to anyone, but you can't "deny any refund" after the purchase was made, it just doesn't work like that. You need to clearly establish the conditions that prevents the refund from happening.
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
However because of the fact RoughLyfe is selling a not-so-legal method (to say the least) and because of the absurd TOS he tries to impose I really think nobody should deal with him, he absolutely doesn't seem trustworthy at all. Besides using his method would imply being dishonest.
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Reynaldo (OP)
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July 11, 2015, 01:01:23 AM |
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RoughLyfe's TOS is a joke, you can't just write whatever you want as TOS:
"This TOS can change at anytime": You need to have versions or some track so it's know which version of your TOS was current when the purchase was made. If you update your TOS of course previous customers won't automatically be subjected to it.
"...under conditions I see fit": You need to establish the conditions you see fit, otherwise this phrase doesn't apply. You can't just make up what you see fit later depending on your own convenience.
"I can deny any refunds/purchase": Of course you can deny to sell your ebook to anyone, but you can't "deny any refund" after the purchase was made, it just doesn't work like that. You need to clearly establish the conditions that prevents the refund from happening.
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
However because of the fact RoughLyfe is selling a not-so-legal method (to say the least) and because of the absurd TOS he tries to impose I really think nobody should deal with him, he absolutely doesn't seem trustworthy at all. Besides using his method would imply being dishonest.
I should have known better, I just though that I could give a chance to this guy.. but as people say "if its too good to be true..." |
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July 11, 2015, 01:03:43 AM |
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Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
i read through the other thread in this section and it seems that it said somewhere that the method involved no blackhat methods of any sort, when clearly it did according to op. in this case id say that might be false advertising(?) or something close. Yes. 2 major red flags:
"(The) TOS can change at any time."
"Then I was wrong about this not being a Black Hat."
So you duped a customer with false promises. Nothing new here, but yes, you most certainly are the scammer. You should probably leave this forum for good.
this sums it up quite nicely actually. |
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RoughLyfe
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July 11, 2015, 01:09:02 AM |
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The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
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RoughLyfe
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July 11, 2015, 01:14:32 AM |
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And like I said I put "(The) TOS can change at any time." so if anyone finds out a way to dupe me for exploit me I can change the TOS
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Reynaldo (OP)
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July 11, 2015, 01:15:42 AM |
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The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble. |
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July 11, 2015, 01:17:03 AM |
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The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble. you were initially told that it doesnt involve anything black hat or fraud related, correct? |
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Reynaldo (OP)
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July 11, 2015, 01:18:23 AM |
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The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble. you were initially told that it doesnt involve anything black hat or fraud related, correct? his post (reference, you can read it up before he edited i QUoted it) where he said "This does not involve e-whoring,hard work,PPD,PTC,PTP,Black Hat,CPA.It does however require time and patience" |
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RoughLyfe
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July 11, 2015, 01:18:44 AM |
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The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble. $150 is not a quick buck,if you haven't even tried it then how am I a scammer,Ive been using this method for over a month now and haven't got my Paypal limited or anything.Its your choice if you want to use it,if you don't thats your choice but you have to try it at least one time before accusing me of anything |
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July 11, 2015, 01:20:41 AM |
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The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble. $150 is not a quick buck,if you haven't even tried it then how am I a scammer,Ive been using this method for over a month now and haven't got my Paypal limited or anything.Its your choice if you want to use it,if you don't thats your choice but you have to try it at least one time before accusing me of anything 1 month is not enough to find out a criminal behavior that just got started, what will happen when they say, hey but this user has too many referrals he might be botting, lets try to get a refund from paypal and then paypal will start a claim. This does not even change the fact that you sold me something that You clearly stated was NOT a blackhat or exploiting a vulnerability. |
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July 11, 2015, 01:21:48 AM |
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The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble. you were initially told that it doesnt involve anything black hat or fraud related, correct? his post (reference, you can read it up before he edited i QUoted it) where he said "This does not involve e-whoring,hard work,PPD,PTC,PTP,Black Hat,CPA.It does however require time and patience" the way i see it, you were scammed. selling a method that involves fraud and blackhat methods is one thing, false advertising that this method involves no fraud or blackhat related methods is another. id say you were lied to as a customer in this case. |
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July 11, 2015, 01:22:37 AM |
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And I did initially post that it wasn't black hat as I didn't think it was black hat.I already admitted that that was my bad and I apologize for that,And thats why you can expand on the ebook.Just limit your self to $150 a day.
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July 11, 2015, 01:24:01 AM |
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And I did initially post that it wasn't black hat as I didn't think it was black hat.I already admitted that that was my bad and I apologize for that,And thats why you can expand on the ebook.Just limit your self to $150 a day.
you just admitted you were at fault here, refund him. |
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July 11, 2015, 01:26:10 AM |
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If I refund him then will everyone remove their Neutral ratings?
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