Dash, most viewed thread .. least talked about thread, why ?

[PoS]

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okay, so what exactly is wrong with having a network of almost 2800 masternodes earning 47% Mn payment per block while keeping
the network strong and keeping it attractive to invest in ?  

• Masternotes are complete useless and do nothing to very little in relation to cost. Other anon coins do a far better job for less. Its like asking whats wrong paying someone digging a drench and then its not used.
• Masternotes make the 2 million instamine work if he did not want to insta/pre/devmine the shit out of the coin then he would have fixed it before relaunch after he failed on purpose to get rid of pesky miners
• Masternotes in itself its a fail. Crypto is all about decentralization get rid of masters and not replace a bunch of fraudsters with anothers

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[valentino008]

A forum with more then 5000 pages is no scam to me( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0 ),there are allways people who scream scam etc in any forum here about any coin,some people maybe burned by a bad trade they made with some coin and call it a scam ever since.
The reality is that they are just bad traders that made a stupid move,well thats your own mistake then.

[unusualfacts30]

cause no one wants to get dashed. lol

[generalizethis]

Honestly, I think dashers can't live very long outside of the vacuum-sealed (for their protection  ) comfort of the echo chamber. Keep responding to this thread and the old (never refuted) criticisms of dash will come to the surface.

--heavy distribution in favor of the people who were able to mine it in the first hours

--masternodes suck at anonymity and are centralizing in nature and their distribution would most benefit those who mined it in the first hours.

--isn't insta-x just a pseudonym for low-confirmation transactions? If true, it's like telling an Apache or a Cherokee you've discovered a new land and you're calling it America.

--why do you need 3 name changes in a year? And why are they all lame?

--if Evan is such a genius, why couldn't he figure out that renaming x coin dark (now dash) is about as useful for hiding an instamine as masternodes are for protecting your anonymity? And if you can't successfully get away from the instamine, do you think institutional investors (rocket fuel refineries) are going to look past the fishy beginnings or the sucky excuse, 'It was an accident, but I didn't relaunch because.... --oh, I'm busy coding a wallet that uses a word seed--i call my invention word stealth technology.

[rangedriver]

It's because Dash is in a type of weird death state. On the one hand the previous community has effectively dumped it. It was already starting to die when more and more people turned their backs on Duffield, but then after the rebrand everything just went apocalyptically dead and everyone finally bailed.

On the other hand, there still is a lingering inertia that it's useful for short-term pumping, irrespective of its long-term faults.

The net result is zero-participation or long-term interest but frequent observation and rape-pumping.

[Kevin77]

pls discuss !! 

Dash is actually Darkcoin, DRK. If you search deeper you'll find a lot of talk about it ... and a lot of scam accusations.

If you read them you'll find out that DRK was a great scheme to make money, not the great coin some hoped for. (imho)

[OrsonJ]

pls discuss !! 

it's scamming start has been talked about quite a bit.... where have you been?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

here check it out.

so the scamming part keeps it from being discussed in the altcoin section ?

not really, the coin is discussed in the alt coin section as much if not more than most other coins. The scam part often comes up during such discussions though.


look through just the last 24 hours i see many threads related to dark/dash xcoin.

pls point me to a post thats related specifically to Dash in the last 24 hrs.. and remember we are talking about a coin that rank 4th on coinmarket : http://coinmarketcap.com/

* jwinterm points at this very thread discussing the scam known at various points in history as xcoin/darkcoin/dashcoin.

nice try but i cant see any real evidence of Dash being discussed as much as if not more than most coins in the last 24 hours .. so far i found one single post.
for a coin that ranks 4th .. i wonder why ? 

pls discuss !!

Are you kidding with this? Aside from your own thread I've seen at least two today made by people trying to pump DASH by spreading a rumour the group who pumped LTC will pump it next.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1117451.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1116190.0

[toknormal]

The reason the thread is the most viewed and least talked about is because Dash is a maverick outsider which broke a couple of "family rules" and therefore shouldn't be successful in the eyes of some people, so they feel justified in giving it a good kicking at every opportunity

Despite that, it is successful - both in marketcap terms (whether you see that as a measure of success or not) and in acheiving its technical objectives.

It is, for example, the only coin to directly address bitcoin's fungibility deficiencies without otherwise compromising on the protocol. So called "stealth" coins who's technology was designed for doing fiat bookkeeping are no competition in this regard. They try to get away with selling the lie that "invisibility" equals fungibility which it does not. Dash has taken a lot of stick over this and come out winning both the technical argument and consolidated its position in the marketplace.

Also ranking on coinmarketcap isn't that great of an indicator, something that OP keeps on going on about.

If that's true then Ripple should be better than all the other alts, because it has a high marketcap?

It may not be a "great indicator" in absolute terms, but it is in relative terms when your talking about coins that had to work their way up the rankings from a low level, which have survived a massive pump and dump phase in their evolution and whose revaluations directly correspond to the pricing in of large amounts of development effort.

[generalizethis]

It is, for example, the only coin to directly address bitcoin's fungibility deficiencies without otherwise compromising on the protocol. So called "stealth" coins who's technology was designed for doing fiat bookkeeping are no competition in this regard. They try to get away with selling the lie that "invisibility" equals fungibility which it does not. D

Stealth addresses do not make the coinbase invisible, moron.

[toknormal]

Stealth addresses do not make the coinbase invisible, moron.

They maybe don't in your little deluded definition of what money is and how it works.

But they in fact do - they were designed for exactly that purpose.

[X68N]

personally i avoid it becuase of the scampart.
I am long enough in cryptocoin to know how this ends.
There are a lot of other coins, so why should i lower my chance of succsess by ignoring the scampart?
Does not make sense for me.

I am just uninterested in this coin.
Repeating the scampart to dash fans, is a waste of time for me and them too.
The time can be better used.

greetings

[dEBRUYNE]

Honestly, I think dashers can't live very long outside of the vacuum-sealed (for their protection  ) comfort of the echo chamber. Keep responding to this thread and the old (never refuted) criticisms of dash will come to the surface.

--heavy distribution in favor of the people who were able to mine it in the first hours

--masternodes suck at anonymity and are centralizing in nature and their distribution would most benefit those who mined it in the first hours.

--isn't insta-x just a pseudonym for low-confirmation transactions? If true, it's like telling an Apache or a Cherokee you've discovered a new land and you're calling it America.

--why do you need 3 name changes in a year? And why are they all lame?

--if Evan is such a genius, why couldn't he figure out that renaming x coin dark (now dash) is about as useful for hiding an instamine as masternodes are for protecting your anonymity? And if you can't successfully get away from the instamine, do you think institutional investors (rocket fuel refineries) are going to look past the fishy beginnings or the sucky excuse, 'It was an accident, but I didn't relaunch because.... --oh, I'm busy coding a wallet that uses a word seed--i call my invention word stealth technology.

In addition, fluffypony pointed out some of the caveats in this post:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zufu1/a_great_podcast_by_lets_talk_bitcoin_discussing/cpmvogy

Although biased by being a XMR core team member, he makes some good points with solid arguments. Just stating this here so others can examine the information themselves.

[toknormal]

Although biased by being a XMR core team member, he makes some good points with solid arguments.....

...if all you're building is a cryptographic bookkeeping system.

[astrobitcoin]

as soon dash price is up more than 10%, the monero fuck tards revamp old posts and shill accounts to vomit the same shit over and over again.

if you run a crawler targeting the dash-instamine-scam bullshit posts, you'll get 3-4 users and around 12-15 shill accounts with same writing style, timestamps and other factors to link them.

[dEBRUYNE]

as soon dash price is up more than 10%, the monero fuck tards revamp old posts and shill accounts to vomit the same shit over and over again.

if you run a crawler targeting the dash-instamine-scam bullshit posts, you'll get 3-4 users and around 12-15 shill accounts with same writing style, timestamps and other factors to link them.

One of your supporters started this thread himself? Don't get mad if it backfires, you could expect this. Also, the first responder isn't even a Monero supporter.

[G2M]

as soon dash price is up more than 10%, the monero fuck tards revamp old posts and shill accounts to vomit the same shit over and over again.

if you run a crawler targeting the dash-instamine-scam bullshit posts, you'll get 3-4 users and around 12-15 shill accounts with same writing style, timestamps and other factors to link them.

One of your supporters started this thread himself? Don't get mad if it backfires, you could expect this. Also, the first responder isn't even a Monero supporter.

don't fall for it, astrobitch acct here is controlled by one of the '3-4 users and around 12-15 shill accounts with same writing style'

take this: "i actually use this board to study and keep track of the behaviour of few profiles posting around here, for a research about communication"

Now, why would anyone ever do such a thing ... ?

[BagHolder010]

Evan is everywhere from National tv channels world wide to very known  crypto websites; while smooth  and Fluffy pony creating new threads about how Evan needs to go to jail and how a bad boy he is
From ALL the other coins only monero with their so called developer crying out loud in forums about dash.
I feel for them since their Ann thread is dead and their joke speculation  Thread here is all about I think the price going up to day no wait  I think the price might go down ofc without any technical  or crypto development from smooth or fluffy lol.
Here is the kicker if and this is a big IF smooth or fluffy pony did create master nodes or instant  transactions they would be all over the place here with monero ppl here praising how innovative and how smart they are..we call it hypocrisy
And ofc these two are no real developers with no class at all...again if you want a real developer with proven history of doing real crypto work Evan if you want real crypto forums wanna be developers you can go with smooth and Fluffy.

[generalizethis]

Stealth addresses do not make the coinbase invisible, moron.

They maybe don't in your little deluded definition of what money is and how it works.

But they in fact do - they were designed for exactly that purpose.

Stealth addresses do not render transactions invisible, so anyone can check and validate that there aren't double spends and other flaws that might skew your or anyone else's transactions. This is the flaw that zerocash has and you must have somehow lopped the flaw onto all opaque blockchains.

That brings me around to your first comment:

Cash works by being backed by a government, but allows you to carry your money with you without anyone else being aware of how much you have or where (if you are careful) you spent it. Monero and other opaque blockchains take care of this by being verified or backed by math and takes care of your finances being private through stealth addresses.

I'm assuming that you think all wallets should be audit-able by anyone anytime and wallets that are only verifiable by permission are inferior as a monetary system.  Your presumption that this is the only way money can work misses two points. First, open wallets expose everyone's balance to thieves, hackers, the mafia, and a whole host of other dangerous characters besides the obligatory mention of LEA. Secondly, when you go to audit these open addresses, you most likely aren't going to  take the numerous hours, days, weeks, to verify each wallet by hand and make sure they check out, so you'll use a program that validates the amounts are correct with math--as you can see you are now using math in the background to verify the money that you think should be only verifiable by human eyes. Of course it would be easier to do this kind of human verification by going onto Github and verify that the opensource math that runs Monero, and other opaque blockchains, is correct.

[toknormal]

tangled up analysis

You're confusing the monetary media itself with the accounting records for such.

[generalizethis]

so good Tok has to use a general dismissal rather than take on any points made

You're confusing the monetary media itself with the accounting records for such.

I know you can't point to any flaw, but "monetary media?" Do you really think corporate ease has ever made anyone sound more intelligent than they actually are?

Here's a good analysis of money without any pretentious jargon or logical fallacies:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3cgtvb/pondering_the_true_meaning_of_money_special/