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July 16, 2015, 01:32:06 PM
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I think he would make an excellent choice for staff and if he is a little more careful back into the trust network.
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July 16, 2015, 02:02:44 PM
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As people have already commented on him being active in busting scams isn't the main criteria. Vod and tomato don't report many posts at all whereas QS does.

And no, tomato wasn't. His account is just an alt account of someone to bust scammers on as far as I'm aware.

It isn't about Scam busting as in any case this forum doesn't moderate scams. It's about how one addresses any query and their way of handling reports. I guess he might be able to handle the reports but may not be a good moderator to give an unbiased opinion. It's totally my POV.

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July 16, 2015, 02:14:46 PM
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A poll will be really useful for this and as far as my opinion is concerned I think he would make a good moderator but he really has a good nose for smelling scams from a distance and I think getting him back in the trust list would be better idea since Vod is away and this place could use a scam buster who is always actively patrolling the forum.

 

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July 16, 2015, 03:17:40 PM
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He has doing many contribution to this forum so I vouches him so much.
I'm wonder why BadBear remove his trust through him....
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July 16, 2015, 03:25:58 PM
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I wouldn't have a problem with quickseller being a mod.

I'm wonder why BadBear remove his trust through him....

Mostly scammers and their alts were all over the questionable negative feedbacks he left, so he was removed.

These same members simply won't let quickseller become a mod so this thread is kind of pointless and will most likely turn into a default trust list debate or a I hate quickseller thread. LOL.
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July 16, 2015, 03:28:53 PM
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I'm wonder why BadBear remove his trust through him....

Mostly scammers and their alts were all over the questionable negative feedbacks he left, so he was removed.

These same members simply won't let quickseller become a mod so this thread is kind of pointless and will most likely turn into a default trust list debate or I hate quickseller thread. LOL.

Dear, QS was removed as he was too quick in leaving ratings. As per his earlier post, he was removed as he was wrong in calling out 2 alts of scammers. He was then removed from TC's trust rating for the calling nhndc a scammer. Being on the DT list doesn't make him a good MOD or any other person a good MOD.

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July 16, 2015, 04:56:43 PM
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I think he would be a good choice for a moderator as well. Not because of his scam busting, but he seems to patrol most English areas of the website and keeps himself calm, even when things are getting heated. He obviously knows how moderating works around here, like he said, he has 1.6k reports with a 95% acceptance rate.

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July 16, 2015, 05:52:59 PM
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I'm wonder why BadBear remove his trust through him....

Mostly scammers and their alts were all over the questionable negative feedbacks he left, so he was removed.

These same members simply won't let quickseller become a mod so this thread is kind of pointless and will most likely turn into a default trust list debate or I hate quickseller thread. LOL.

Dear, QS was removed as he was too quick in leaving ratings. As per his earlier post, he was removed as he was wrong in calling out 2 alts of scammers. He was then removed from TC's trust rating for the calling nhndc a scammer. Being on the DT list doesn't make him a good MOD or any other person a good MOD.

Obviously any scam buster will make mistakes, if you only mark the confirmed scammers then you are doing nothing because everyone would know already. I consider his ratings helpful for the community, yeah if some of them are later proved wrong then he simply can delete them and problem solved. Afterall he has a 95% accuracy and im sure he prevented plenty of scams on this forum.
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July 16, 2015, 05:59:04 PM
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I'm wonder why BadBear remove his trust through him....

Mostly scammers and their alts were all over the questionable negative feedbacks he left, so he was removed.

These same members simply won't let quickseller become a mod so this thread is kind of pointless and will most likely turn into a default trust list debate or I hate quickseller thread. LOL.

Dear, QS was removed as he was too quick in leaving ratings. As per his earlier post, he was removed as he was wrong in calling out 2 alts of scammers. He was then removed from TC's trust rating for the calling nhndc a scammer. Being on the DT list doesn't make him a good MOD or any other person a good MOD.

Obviously any scam buster will make mistakes, if you only mark the confirmed scammers then you are doing nothing because everyone would know already. I consider his ratings helpful for the community, yeah if some of them are later proved wrong then he simply can delete them and problem solved. Afterall he has a 95% accuracy and im sure he prevented plenty of scams on this forum.
He does make mistakes, but doesn't correct them . You can't really argue with him if the accusation is on you , even though when he is the one wrong and you offer proof for everything. He is an overly egoistic attitude with things going in the opposite way for him and will never agree to his mistakes in 99% of the cases. There was also worshipper he gave a negative trust just he denied using him as an escrow. I have also seen him to unethical things like removing trust from a confirmed scammer just because he used him as an escrow for selling the account, but didn't care about the trust on me even though I provided enough proof .
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July 16, 2015, 06:02:42 PM
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I won't argue he seems to have a positive effect on the forum with some of the scam busting, and he obviously does a good amount of trading, but I have a personal issue with users who buy/sell forum accounts, even on this thread it could just be accounts he bought and held onto gloating about himself, even some of his trust could be beefed up by bought accounts... I realize I have trust issues but this is what this forum has done to me, it is what it is!  Wink  

In any case, I'm not sure nominations happen here...

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July 16, 2015, 06:16:10 PM
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I won't argue he seems to have a positive effect on the forum with some of the scam busting, and he obviously does a good amount of trading, but I have a personal issue with users who buy/sell forum accounts, even on this thread it could just be accounts he bought and held onto gloating about himself, even some of his trust could be beefed up by bought accounts... I realize I have trust issues but this is what this forum has done to me, it is what it is!  Wink  

In any case, I'm not sure nominations happen here...

Saying that we also can't know his real or alt accounts  therefore it is also possible the whole thread is started by his alts and some of the people posting here are his alts .
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July 16, 2015, 06:22:56 PM
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Saying that we also can't know his real or alt accounts  therefore it is also possible the whole thread is started by his alts and some of the people posting here are his alts .

good point:) even is highly unlikely, that it is true, is quite fine, that you just pointed, how relative posts on these forum are and how literally anything can be manipulated. Some portion of paranoia is not so bad in virtual space at all..

regarding QS, yes, he is quite cool guy, definitely with positive impact to community, anyway, I don't think that staff members are picked based on some threads like this one.
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July 16, 2015, 06:32:07 PM
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If we do need additional moderators, which are the sections which would require them?
I think Politics & Society needs a moderator.
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July 16, 2015, 06:32:19 PM
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If the forum needs moderator, shorena is better. Scam busting is not a mod's job, mod job is to keep the board clean. Quick seller can always scam bust even if he is not a mod
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July 16, 2015, 06:32:39 PM
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I like Quickseller, but sorry QS , I can't vouch for you.

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July 16, 2015, 06:37:16 PM
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Stupidest idea I've ever heard.

You want to make a dirty account seller (the lowest of the low) a MODERATOR??

Quickseller enables at least 50% of all scams that take place on this forum, and you want to make him a moderator. Real genius move.

I move to ban Quickseller instead, and bring back some much-needed credibility to this forum.

Now watch, this message will be removed by a mod within 30 minutes. Because QS is very likely a mod or else conspiring with one to rip off forum users. What a sad existence to lead. Don't you understand how magical and interesting life is?

And you want to use your precious time on this planet to rip off others for a living? For shame.

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July 16, 2015, 06:53:21 PM
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Ha thanks for the vouches.

However if my two stints on default trust is an indication of anything then me beefing promoted to staff would have all the scammers and their alts complaining about me because they will have a more difficult time pulling off their scams. I wouldn't be surprised if the spammers start complaining as well. Plus it would probably also bring out the conspiracy theorists.

While I would be honored for the position, I do think it would be very controversial. I do have over 1.6k reports with a 95% accuracy rate.

My accuracy rate on my sent trust is even better then the above and I was able to spot a number of scams that others would not be able to spot for a long time. However I was still removed from BadBear's list.

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Sweet, it's the quickseller masterbation post of the day.  It's a fun game you guys, look through the 1000s of posts that quickseller produces every week and nearly everyday you can find one where he "toots his own horn" so to speak.  This one is a little more subtle, because he's responding to someone else wanking him, but who knows, with his anonymity, they may actually be the same person.

The reason that quickseller isn't on default trust is that he's too hot tempered and no one knows what his real motivations are. Yes, he does a lot of posting, yes he calls people out.  But the issue is that he calls people out for the reptuation points, not because he's trying to find the truth.   The folks that are saying things like "he's 99% right" are obviously not the ones who got wrongly caught up in his dragnet.  In a recent high-profile event, he went on for a week about how respected member ndnhc was scamming (for some tiny amount, the story didn't add up) using some faked proof.    When people confronted him about the fact that the motive wasn't there, he would shut them down saying I have evidence and that scammers don't need a motivation to scam.  After he was shown wrong he didn't apologize or say that he'd be more careful in the future, he just moved on and continues to toot his own horn about how he found this "evidence".  There was even a good deal of speculation about whethere he might have been the one who planted the evidence himself, although this was never proven.

In a saga that spans nearly 4 months now, he went after me starting this March/April for literally no known reason.  In case you didn't hear this one, it's quite nuts:

I had called quickseller out for not being nice in several threads---he was calling people "idiot" left and right and generally not being helpful.  Only a few days after I started saying, "hey quicktemper, simmer down, not everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot", he logged on with one of his alt accounts and started trolling me.  Saying how he was gonna get me kicked of my sig-ad campaign because I suck.  So, he goes digging through everything and comes up with a lie that known scammer traderfortress accused me of like 2 years ago.  He then neg-repped me (this was during the brief period when he was on default trust) with his main account.  Weeks of fighting were the result.  Quickseller's reputation quickly went down the tubes as badbear saw that quickseller is too much about pride and destruction of those who he considers enemies than about fairness or community.  Quickseller was booted from badbears list only a few weeks later after other incidents in which he fingered the wrong people.

Then he got put on tomatocage's list.  He wanted power so badly that when I asked tomotocage to intervene about my negative trust from quickseller, qs relented in order to stay on tc's list.  Tomatocage saw that QS's feedback on me is nothing but vindictive bile with no basis in fact, and he asked quickseller to at least change it to a neutral.  Quickseller did this.  But he was removed from default trust again shortly after presumably because of his false accusations against ndnhc.   Don't be confused on this, QS is not on default trust because the people on default trust can't trust him.  They've tried but no one wants their reputation to be tied to his fiery temper.

In case you think he's learned from this and moved on, note this.  Just recently I saw that he's changed his rating on me back to negative.  He hasn't let go of the nonsense yet.  God knows why this guy hates me so much, the only thing I could figure for a while was that he was some alt of tradefortress, but finally I decided that that doesn't make sense.  The only explanation left is that he can't handle being crossed, that once you say to him something like "you are wrong" or "stop calling people idiots" he will stop at nothing in order to defame you for the rest of your life.  

Only one month ago he seems to have registered a newbie account, FunFunnyFan https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=519804 who was trying to sell a default trust account.  He spent one weekend trolling me with this account.  The writing style was the same as quickseller's and I have no doubt it was him trying to openly troll me without getting his main account involved again.  I thought it was very interesting that that account was trying to sell a default trust account and that the moment I said "hey you must be quickseller, no one else has any problem with me" the account disappeared and stopped trolling me.

For the record, I have 4 negative feedbacks on my account after 3 years here.  1 from tradefortress (a false accusation), 3 from quickseller and his alts flaming me for god knows what purpose.

This is the deal with quickseller, if you want him to be your moderator, god help anyone who dares to say he's wrong, you'll get nuked so fast....

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Indeed, Shorena has all the positives of quickseller, but without the firey temper and vindictiveness.  You really can't be a leader if you can't be fair and be willing to put aside personal animus.  Any objective look at quickseller's time here shows that he has a lot of growing to do on that front before he could be trusted to be an impartial judge.

I'm wonder why BadBear remove his trust through him....

Mostly scammers and their alts were all over the questionable negative feedbacks he left, so he was removed.

These same members simply won't let quickseller become a mod so this thread is kind of pointless and will most likely turn into a default trust list debate or I hate quickseller thread. LOL.

Dear, QS was removed as he was too quick in leaving ratings. As per his earlier post, he was removed as he was wrong in calling out 2 alts of scammers. He was then removed from TC's trust rating for the calling nhndc a scammer. Being on the DT list doesn't make him a good MOD or any other person a good MOD.

Obviously any scam buster will make mistakes, if you only mark the confirmed scammers then you are doing nothing because everyone would know already. I consider his ratings helpful for the community, yeah if some of them are later proved wrong then he simply can delete them and problem solved. Afterall he has a 95% accuracy and im sure he prevented plenty of scams on this forum.
He does make mistakes, but doesn't correct them . You can't really argue with him if the accusation is on you , even though when he is the one wrong and you offer proof for everything. He is an overly egoistic attitude with things going in the opposite way for him and will never agree to his mistakes in 99% of the cases. There was also worshipper he gave a negative trust just he denied using him as an escrow. I have also seen him to unethical things like removing trust from a confirmed scammer just because he used him as an escrow for selling the account, but didn't care about the trust on me even though I provided enough proof .

Indeed, once I had been the victim of a quickseller smear attack I started reading those meta threads saying quickseller was falsely accusing them with a new view.  Originally it's easy to see a newbie account saying "no" to quickseller and think these are just scammers who are sad they got caught, but once you've been falsely accused by him yourself, you start to think more about giving people the benefit of the doubt.  I think all those people who are saying QS is 99% right on page 1 are either alts of quickseller themselves or else they've never really looked closely at the evidence in those 99% cases they're talking about.  And this is the problem, QS doesn't look closely either, he merely acheives his 50 posts, 20 reports, 10 negative feedbacks per day and logs out, logs in as an alt, repeat.
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July 16, 2015, 06:53:30 PM
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Obviously any scam buster will make mistakes, if you only mark the confirmed scammers then you are doing nothing because everyone would know already. I consider his ratings helpful for the community, yeah if some of them are later proved wrong then he simply can delete them and problem solved. Afterall he has a 95% accuracy and im sure he prevented plenty of scams on this forum.

Relax dear. I know that you love him. It's not in mine or your hand to make him the MOD so why argue  Wink

He does make mistakes, but doesn't correct them . You can't really argue with him if the accusation is on you , even though when he is the one wrong and you offer proof for everything. He is an overly egoistic attitude with things going in the opposite way for him and will never agree to his mistakes in 99% of the cases. There was also worshipper he gave a negative trust just he denied using him as an escrow. I have also seen him to unethical things like removing trust from a confirmed scammer just because he used him as an escrow for selling the account, but didn't care about the trust on me even though I provided enough proof .

I feel this was the case earlier but now he seems to be in control. He doesn't jump to conclusions. Anyways, MODs don't have the authority to ban users unlike Global MODs and hence if he can manage the reports carefully of spammers, he can be a good moderator.

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I don't think that quickseller would be a good moderator but this is only my personal opinion.
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July 16, 2015, 09:06:14 PM
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Thanks hilariousandco for having faith in my abilities, but we talked about this and I dont think things have changed. I dont currently see the need for another mod or at least not for me as a mod. Most of my reports are currently handled quickly by EAL AFAIK (hard to tell sometimes), which suggests that there is no need for another mod in my timezone. Whether or not a new mod is needed or if someone very active should be promoted to global mod is probably something that can hardly be judged from outside the staff team. I also dont know what theymos wants in terms of reaction times, whether this should be community driven etc.

I also would like to ask anyone here is that this does not become a "Quickseller vs. Shorena" thing. There is no contest here. I very positive that if a mod is needed someone fitting will be found.

Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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