New Hardware or Scam

[neilsolomons]

Scam. They are pretty using KNC's new chips specs to fool people. The irony is KNC aren't selling that chip but keeping it for their farm at the point in time.

Bitcoin Brothers are just idiots. Want to release a 500 Peta Hash farm and have way over 51% of the network.

[everaja]

---SNIP---

i would go for the Scam.
their site does not even look legit a lot of written contents are copied from another hardware sites (KNC's), they even don't have DDOS protection and HTTPS .
site is porely written like earntomorrow ,They don't even know the spelling of words, just see the upper left corner of the screen.
You will find Your Language: Englisch 

[Furio]

I think it's simply not possible at that price I see the next BFL waiting to happen, furthermore, if the red flags don't detter you, you're willing to take huge risks, and everybody knows the most likely outcome of a HUGE risk, not good

If these machines are for real, I'm very curious about the sound production, I think it will sound like a small helikopter

If I buy this, it will be second hand

[TookDk]

Dat prediction:



What can possible go wrong?

LOL

[Yofun]

yes, but paypal has many points in the Company Conditions to say no to pay mony back

You do have to be carefull... You can only claim your money back for 180 days (if i remember correctly).
Since it's a pre-order, it might be their trick to keep you hanging for 180 days (with promises, lies, changes,...), untill they chargeback period from paypal is over...

Or it might be a trick to get a free 180-day loan.

Or it might be a fishing expedition for usernames/adresses/...

You CAN charge back after 180 days. You just have to call Paypal up by phone and explain.


EDIT. It is a scam tho.

[hedgy73]

100% SCAM

[Yofun]

yes, but paypal has many points in the Company Conditions to say no to pay mony back

You do have to be carefull... You can only claim your money back for 180 days (if i remember correctly).
Since it's a pre-order, it might be their trick to keep you hanging for 180 days (with promises, lies, changes,...), untill they chargeback period from paypal is over...

Or it might be a trick to get a free 180-day loan.

Or it might be a fishing expedition for usernames/adresses/...

You CAN charge back after 180 days. You just have to call Paypal up by phone and explain.

Yeah you just go ahead and attempt that with your own money and not suggest it to anyone else because this is a pure scam.

Yeah...I am not trying it. I was just saying.

[VirosaGITS]

I will go with the majority on this and say it is a scam.
Https is a secure way to make sure a company is legit because they pay hundreds of dollars($600+ from what I remember) to obtain that status every year.

You can get a SSL certificate for very cheap. It's really not a good filter criteria for actually trusting a website. Of course NOT having it is certainty a criteria for NOT trusting it.

[MinerNetwork]

Preorder+an electronic display for a bitcoin miner, seriously?
This is 120% A SCAM

[TheRealSteve]

Preorder+an electronic display for a bitcoin miner, seriously?

Not disputing the scam allegation, but those specific points you note aren't entirely unheard of.  Prospero X1 and X3 were also limited pre-order and used small tablets for their displays.  Same with the BFL (hehe) Bitforce 500 and I vaguely recall some other model. When they're double-digit cost out of China, it's a slick addition to any miner.

[yxt]

stay away, there is no proof on anything.
But imho many indications for a scam

I have offered them to sign a NDA, take a look at the prototype and buy the whole batch if I am satisfied.
They refused the offer with strange arguments. You can draw your own conclusions.

[willi9974]

No news, we wait :-)

[abokhalel2]

I noticed in this link that that they included their wallet number in Eligius pool
https://www.yesminers.de/en/upgrades/yesminer-m20-25000ghs-upgrade.html

Check out their stats here
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1P9gzKnEgyMRQGaytX28XKeoJRaS9jFwRH

[Noobita]

I noticed in this link that that they included their wallet number in Eligius pool
https://www.yesminers.de/en/upgrades/yesminer-m20-25000ghs-upgrade.html

Check out their stats here
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1P9gzKnEgyMRQGaytX28XKeoJRaS9jFwRH

1.7 PH/s, wow. They were stating that they would make 1500 M20 and 500 M10, which is 35PH/s, so they aren't using all units, but what you think? Maybe testing some? This worker started to work at 2 january at stopped, and then restarted at 4 january....no one, with so much Hashes would stop mining, i think (when it is profitable to mine).

What u think?

[fr4nkthetank]

I will go with the majority on this and say it is a scam.
Https is a secure way to make sure a company is legit because they pay hundreds of dollars($600+ from what I remember) to obtain that status every year.

I run a (legit) website, and have https (i have very limited personal info to collect, name address, but still https is good).  It costs me 1$ for the first year as a promo, and the certificates cost like 15$ a years or less.  So its not really a big expense, but there are hurdles and some level of verification.

[fr4nkthetank]

I noticed in this link that that they included their wallet number in Eligius pool
https://www.yesminers.de/en/upgrades/yesminer-m20-25000ghs-upgrade.html

Check out their stats here
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1P9gzKnEgyMRQGaytX28XKeoJRaS9jFwRH

1.7 PH/s, wow. They were stating that they would make 1500 M20 and 500 M10, which is 35PH/s, so they aren't using all units, but what you think? Maybe testing some? This worker started to work at 2 january at stopped, and then restarted at 4 january....no one, with so much Hashes would stop mining, i think (when it is profitable to mine).

What u think?

Well thats probably all the hashrate they are renting with the pre order money hahahahahah ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ seriously, i vote scam.

[Noobita]

I noticed in this link that that they included their wallet number in Eligius pool
https://www.yesminers.de/en/upgrades/yesminer-m20-25000ghs-upgrade.html

Check out their stats here
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1P9gzKnEgyMRQGaytX28XKeoJRaS9jFwRH

1.7 PH/s, wow. They were stating that they would make 1500 M20 and 500 M10, which is 35PH/s, so they aren't using all units, but what you think? Maybe testing some? This worker started to work at 2 january at stopped, and then restarted at 4 january....no one, with so much Hashes would stop mining, i think (when it is profitable to mine).

What u think?

Well thats probably all the hashrate they are renting with the pre order money hahahahahah ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ seriously, i vote scam.

Don't believe that they are renting, that would be stupid, renting is not profitable, it was better if they saved the money.... (based on cex.io and hashnet prices). Just if they knew if someone would found the worker and see what he was doing (hashes) would make sense. But as you said from the beggining, if it is scam, who was doing the scam was stupid, using an address from other company, etc, why would they think about that?

[carlosmnk]

In some weeks we will see... Specting no delays... if it... 
It smells SCAM since last 6 months...

[Noobita]

In some weeks we will see... Specting no delays... if it...  
It smells SCAM since last 6 months...

Don't know....but that user from eligius is with 2.5PH/s, what is strange, he has 16% of the hasrate of eligius xD

If you go to the yesminers gallery section u see this:

http://i.snag.gy/T9Zcr.jpg

With this and the account at eligius reaching 2.5PH/s....maybe scam...but if it is a scam it got a little bit more elaborated that it was...(getting 2.5PH/s to prove is not a scam)

[Gyrsur]

I noticed in this link that that they included their wallet number in Eligius pool
https://www.yesminers.de/en/upgrades/yesminer-m20-25000ghs-upgrade.html

Check out their stats here
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1P9gzKnEgyMRQGaytX28XKeoJRaS9jFwRH

1.7 PH/s, wow. They were stating that they would make 1500 M20 and 500 M10, which is 35PH/s, so they aren't using all units, but what you think? Maybe testing some? This worker started to work at 2 january at stopped, and then restarted at 4 january....no one, with so much Hashes would stop mining, i think (when it is profitable to mine).

What u think?

probably rented on MRR at the EU location:

https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/sha256