Already delays in BFL shipment plans?

[niko]

I wish they had a live webcam in their assembly facility.
Something like http://www.nanofab.ualberta.ca/lab-information/view-our-facility-2/show-a-camera/?nf_CName=WCAM

[PuertoLibre]

Why people feel the need to continue to repeat the same thing, over and over, I'll never understand.  Great, they're going to be late, not like we haven't expected, nor known about that for a while.  No reason to post up a new thread or post every 2 days shouting, "BFL is late!"

Well, only if you are speaking solely for yourself on this.

Every customer of BFL is expecting them to be on time for early December. These are actual expectations.

I don't know why you might think that all customers expect them to be shipping later than their current shipping target? Either way, it was a message made on 11-10-2012 and the message is referring to the process in the "future tense" rather than present or past tense. (Hasn't arrived yet?)

So that leaves about 25 days from that message for outsourced assembly and maybe 5 more days for final assembly "in house". (HSF/Case etc)

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A follow up question that pops into mind is:
 
It is now 11-15-2012, 5 days later,  have the ASIC chips arrived yet?
(20 days now left for board assembly and maybe 5 days for secondary assembly. (assuming they overnight the whole pallet of assembled boards to and from the external assembly house.)

Another good question:

How long does both stages of assembly take in terms of time?

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As BFL is poised to be the first to ship out of all the vendors..<cough> supposedly <cough>..are they meeting their scheduled timeline?

Or will it be <smirks> something they will "only know 3 days before" the scheduled date at a meeting they have?

[creativex]

BFL has already pushed back their shipping date more than once, surely people have a right to complain each time there's a new delay. If they'd shipped in October as originally announced those early pre-order customers would now be hashing away at 50BTC blocks without any ASIC competition. Now it appears those early customers won't beat the reward halving and may not even be the first end users with ASICs. The difference in ROI and profits for these early adopters cannot be understated.

Looked at from a competition standpoint, BFL has captured the bulk of the ASIC market by announcing a delivery date that was horribly unrealistic at best and a flat out lie at worst. Given the stakes involved and the serial misbehavior of the company in question, I'm surprised there aren't even more BFL bashing threads.
 

[hardcore-fs]

Posted under Fair Use for the purposes of discussion.

Courtesy of: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/331-manufacturing-process-question

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Conclusion? There may be significant delays. [speculation and personal opinion]

I don't think this comes as a surprise to many. If the ASICs aren't on the boards yet then I wouldn't expect that the other components would be on there already. They will probably reflow everything together (or have a contract manufacturer do it).

You would NEVER run production this way.... , the MAX you could get away with is when you have a double sided PCB, THEN you can pre-place the component on the other side in advance.

IF you consider placing the board MINUS the ASIC, reflow....
HOW THE FUCK are you going to apply solder paste INSIDE the other components and prevent the SMT machine from smashing the other high rise components when you place the ASIC, then you have to double re-flow....


As regards burn in...... Just look at the Bathtub curve and you will see WHY there is an optimum burn-in VRS temperature profile.
MOST if not all the failures occur very quickly on the downward slide of the Bath Tub.

[monstrs]

Lets just sit and wait. ASIC's will not be delivered until blocks halving, thats for sure.

[ewibit]

ASIC's will not be delivered until blocks halving, thats for sure.

I think the same, perhaps 2013...

[Morblias]

I wish they had a live webcam in their assembly facility.
Something like http://www.nanofab.ualberta.ca/lab-information/view-our-facility-2/show-a-camera/?nf_CName=WCAM

I for sure would hate this. I don't want my boss/others watching me at work.

This would have to be done:

[greyhawk]

I wish they had a live webcam in their assembly facility.
Something like http://www.nanofab.ualberta.ca/lab-information/view-our-facility-2/show-a-camera/?nf_CName=WCAM

I for sure would hate this. I don't want my boss/others watching me at work.

This would have to be done:

I don't know. I'd guess your boss would notice you're never in the office.

[CoinHoarder]

I wish they had a live webcam in their assembly facility.
Something like http://www.nanofab.ualberta.ca/lab-information/view-our-facility-2/show-a-camera/?nf_CName=WCAM

I for sure would hate this. I don't want my boss/others watching me at work.

This would have to be done:

It needs to be.... at least.... 3 times bigger than this.

- Zoolander

[Frizz23]

Why people feel the need to continue to repeat the same thing, over and over, I'll never understand.

<irony>
Me neither. Why BFL over and over again promises delivery dates which they can't keep, I'll never understand
</irony>

[AndrewBUD]

Why people feel the need to continue to repeat the same thing, over and over, I'll never understand.

Me neither. Why BFL over and over again promises delivery dates which they can't keep, I'll never understand

To get more Pre-orders ?

[creativex]

Why people feel the need to continue to repeat the same thing, over and over, I'll never understand.

Me neither. Why BFL over and over again promises delivery dates which they can't keep, I'll never understand

To get more Pre-orders ?

Exactly. Their customers aren't really punishing them for their consistently deceitful release date FUD, and it's great for cornering the lions share of the ASIC market, so why not?

[Frizz23]

Their customers aren't really punishing them for their consistently deceitful release date FUD ...

It's even worse: Their "customers" seem to be true lemmings. Dissing everyone that asks inconvenient questions on forums.butterflylabs.com
No idea what's going on there. Mass delusion? Mass boot licking syndrome?

[creativex]

Just human psychology. Once invested most people will defend their decision to do so.

[CoinHoarder]

As much as it pains me to say this, I agree. I feel like BFL screwed me by saying they will release their product in October.

I was on the fence when I ordered in September whether to order from BFL or Tom. I ended up ordering from BFL because I think they have the better product (read: power efficiency), they had increased transparency throughout the community and were releasing a lot more information than they used to, and the biggest reason: I thought that they would be pretty far through the pre-order list before Tom even started shipping.

Now we fast forward 3 months later...

I most likely would get my ASICs in December from Tom if I had ordered from him at the same time, but it is looking like I won't get my ASICs from BFL until January or later. If I had just ordered a Jalapeno or something, then it wouldn't be that big of a deal. However, I ordered $8,000 worth of singles. BFL literally screwed me out of whatever $8,000 worth of ASICs will make in the first month (maybe about ~$1500+)

I'm so serious that if they delay once more, I am getting a full refund and giving my hard earned money to another ASIC vendor.

I, unlike most people in the community it seems, will not put up with their bull shit.

[crazyates]

Some of us pre-ordered, fully expecting to not have ASICs by October, or even November.

[michaelmclees]

I'm so serious that if they delay once more, I am getting a full refund and giving my hard earned money to another ASIC vendor.

And what will you do if they don't want to give you a refund until January 1st, 2013?

[CoinHoarder]

I'm so serious that if they delay once more, I am getting a full refund and giving my hard earned money to another ASIC vendor.

And what will you do if they don't want to give you a refund until January 1st, 2013?

They will certainly never see another $ from me if that were to be the case.

[creativex]

As much as it pains me to say this, I agree. I feel like BFL screwed me by saying they will release their product in October.

I was on the fence when I ordered in September whether to order from BFL or Tom. I ended up ordering from BFL because I think they have the better product (read: power efficiency), they had increased transparency throughout the community and were releasing a lot more information than they used to, and the biggest reason: I thought that they would be pretty far through the pre-order list before Tom even started shipping.

Now we fast forward 3 months later...

I most likely would get my ASICs in December from Tom if I had ordered from him at the same time, but it is looking like I won't get my ASICs from BFL until January or later. If I had just ordered a Jalapeno or something, then it wouldn't be that big of a deal. However, I ordered $8,000 worth of singles. BFL literally screwed me out of whatever $8,000 worth of ASICs will make in the first month (maybe about ~$1500+)

I'm so serious that if they delay once more, I am getting a full refund and giving my hard earned money to another ASIC vendor.

I, unlike most people in the community it seems, will not put up with their bull shit.

Sorry man, that sucks. While I wasn't prepared to make a huge investment in ASIC pre-order hardware, I did eventually order and was one click away from paying BFL for a single.

[michaelmclees]

I'm so serious that if they delay once more, I am getting a full refund and giving my hard earned money to another ASIC vendor.

And what will you do if they don't want to give you a refund until January 1st, 2013?

They will certainly never see another $ from me if that were to be the case.

That'll show em.