Why do people still play dice?

[fulgdenea]

The longest losing streak ever i got with 50% win chance it was 23 red at primedice and the longest winning streak i got it was 18 green and that too at primedice, i never experienced more than that with 50% win chance.

[Dennis7777]

i dont care what dooglus says earlier and what he says now because he owns a dice site and his opinion is not considered or as equal as a gambler atleast and plus my point was the way the algorithm of these dice sites is designed is like there is a 50/50 chance to win at 50/50 i.e a 2x multiplier for 1 single roll and there is 30% chance of winning at the same 2x multiplier for 100000 rolls and as u keep on rolling the chances keep on decrease that is why in the long run the casinos win .and as far as licensed casinos are considered they r strictly prohibited and r not allowed to use such type of algorithms which variates the winning chances.

No matter if it is your first bet or your 100000th bet, you are still going to win a 50% bet when your rolled number is <50 if you bet low or >49.9999 if you bet high.
If you are using a provably fair site, then you can verify whether the site has altered your numbers.

[arallmuus]

i dont care what dooglus says earlier and what he says now because he owns a dice site and his opinion is not considered or as equal as a gambler

This is funny because dooglus is pretty much a math expert around here and he is not posting here as a dice site owner but as a math expert mostly that present the facts with math. If you cant trust math then you are indeed funny

plus my point was the way the algorithm of these dice sites is designed is like there is a 50/50 chance to win at 50/50 i.e a 2x multiplier for 1 single roll and there is 30% chance of winning at the same 2x multiplier for 100000 rolls and as u keep on rolling the chances keep on decrease

Now you are being delusional. Each bet is dependant and the chances stays the same no matter how many times that you play. Instead of keep on stating this delusion, how about presenting a proof instead? if you think that this "delusion" exist then you should not be hard to prove it.
All I see so far is a raging player because of losing in a dice site, spouting nonsense without even considering the facts that the site is provably fair and you can easily notice if the owner of the site is rigging your bet

that is why in the long run the casinos win

Of course, this is not a secret anyway and everyone knows it and which is why every sites has the house edge to make sure casinos win in the long run

.and as far as licensed casinos are considered they r strictly prohibited and r not allowed to use such type of algorithms which variates the winning chances.

I laughed real hard when reading this  . A licensed casino without a provably fair system is pretty much unfair. For me, true fairness would be when I have the ability to check wether my bet is fair or not and without provably fair I cant do so.
Most licensed casino has no provably fair mechanism and for me that is not a true fairness, simply because I dont think having a license means they are not rigging it but unless I can check my bet then it is not fair at all

[Bardman]

I thought i read on this forum that some people has already rolled 30 rolls on just dice and even a little bit more, i guess dooglus is talking about getting 30 in a row a few times which is indeed weird but it could happen tho.

Yup dooglus once posted that there was a 32 loss streak on JD with 49.5% bets, but now Dooglus is offering 1 BTC for 30 loss streak for 50% bets.

Its obviously possible, never happened to me tho because i cant even reach it because of my low bankroll and probably a lot of people dont get long streaks like that because of the bankroll

[dooglus]

well buddy dont want to argue on this but , if the numbers r not tampered then why do i always get 30 reds at 50% chance while martingale

You don't. Nobody ever rolled 30 losses in a row at 50% at Just-Dice. If you can provide a legit screenshot of it happening even once (edit: at Just-Dice) I will send you 1 BTC or 80 CLAMs, your choice.

maybe clarify weather or not it  has to be on martingale settings (low only or high only) instead of manual betting? i feel like people would actively try to manual bet their way to 30 losses in a row just for the 1 btc/80 CLAMs.

I was specifically making the offer to ashfaq, but sure, why not. I'll open it to anyone.

The first person to roll 30 or more losing bets in a row at 50.0000% on Just-Dice gets a 1 BTC or 80 CLAM prize, no strings attached.

PM me on this forum to claim your prize, telling me the betid of the first loss in the sequence, set your emergency withdrawal address on your Just-Dice account to a BTC or CLAM address depending on how you want the prize, and I'll send it there.

I don't care what stakes you use. You can flat bet zero amounts if you like. Then you'll see just how rare it is to see 30 or more losses in a row at 50%, and be less likely to believe ashfaq's story.

[ndnh]

well buddy dont want to argue on this but , if the numbers r not tampered then why do i always get 30 reds at 50% chance while martingale

You don't. Nobody ever rolled 30 losses in a row at 50% at Just-Dice. If you can provide a legit screenshot of it happening even once (edit: at Just-Dice) I will send you 1 BTC or 80 CLAMs, your choice.

maybe clarify weather or not it  has to be on martingale settings (low only or high only) instead of manual betting? i feel like people would actively try to manual bet their way to 30 losses in a row just for the 1 btc/80 CLAMs.

I was specifically making the offer to ashfaq, but sure, why not. I'll open it to anyone.

The first person to roll 30 or more losing bets in a row at 50.0000% on Just-Dice gets a 1 BTC or 80 CLAM prize, no strings attached.

PM me on this forum to claim your prize, telling me the betid of the first loss in the sequence, set your emergency withdrawal address on your Just-Dice account to a BTC or CLAM address depending on how you want the prize, and I'll send it there.

I don't care what stakes you use. You can flat bet zero amounts if you like. Then you'll see just how rare it is to see 30 or more losses in a row at 50%, and be less likely to believe ashfaq's story.

1 in around 1451590215 rolls?

Dang!

[dooglus]

The first person to roll 30 or more losing bets in a row at 50.0000% on Just-Dice gets a 1 BTC or 80 CLAM prize, no strings attached.

1 in around 1,451,590,215 rolls?

Dang!

That's how often losing streaks of length 30 or more come up if you play at 50.5%.

ashfaq is talking about playing at 50%, and so that's the chance you have to play at to qualify for the prize I'm offering.

It's 1 in 1,073,741,824, since losing at 50% is a bit easier than losing at 50.5%.

Showing my working:

>>> 1 / (1 - 50.5/100) ** 30
1451590214.9428499

>>> 1 / (1 - 50.0/100) ** 30
1073741824.0

Note: this is why I wrote this a while back:

it should only happen about once per BILLION rolls.

[Dennis7777]

The first person to roll 30 or more losing bets in a row at 50.0000% on Just-Dice gets a 1 BTC or 80 CLAM prize, no strings attached.

1 in around 1,451,590,215 rolls?

Dang!

That's how often losing streaks of length 30 or more come up if you play at 50.5%.

ashfaq is talking about playing at 50%, and so that's the chance you have to play at to qualify for the prize I'm offering.

It's 1 in 1,073,741,824, since losing at 50% is a bit easier than losing at 50.5%.

Showing my working:

>>> 1 / (1 - 50.5/100) ** 30
1451590214.9428499

>>> 1 / (1 - 50.0/100) ** 30
1073741824.0

Note: this is why I wrote this a while back:

it should only happen about once per BILLION rolls.

Another way to look at it: Since 0 satoshi bets are delayed by 0.3 seconds on JD, the average time needed with non-stop betting would be 2^30*0.3s = 3728 days.

[dooglus]

Another way to look at it: Since 0 satoshi bets are delayed by 0.3 seconds on JD, the average time needed with non-stop betting would be 2^30*0.3s = 3728 days.

That's right!

If you want to be clicking the 'hi' button for the next 10 years to win a free 1 BTC, be my guest!

[fox19891989]

The first person to roll 30 or more losing bets in a row at 50.0000% on Just-Dice gets a 1 BTC or 80 CLAM prize, no strings attached.

1 in around 1,451,590,215 rolls?

Dang!

That's how often losing streaks of length 30 or more come up if you play at 50.5%.

ashfaq is talking about playing at 50%, and so that's the chance you have to play at to qualify for the prize I'm offering.

It's 1 in 1,073,741,824, since losing at 50% is a bit easier than losing at 50.5%.

Showing my working:

>>> 1 / (1 - 50.5/100) ** 30
1451590214.9428499

>>> 1 / (1 - 50.0/100) ** 30
1073741824.0

Note: this is why I wrote this a while back:

it should only happen about once per BILLION rolls.

Another way to look at it: Since 0 satoshi bets are delayed by 0.3 seconds on JD, the average time needed with non-stop betting would be 2^30*0.3s = 3728 days.

Nice view, dude, it is extremely difficult to roll in 30 loss streak, I think this "lucky guy" can win a jackpot of lottery if he is so lucky. 

[ndnh]

The first person to roll 30 or more losing bets in a row at 50.0000% on Just-Dice gets a 1 BTC or 80 CLAM prize, no strings attached.

1 in around 1,451,590,215 rolls?

Dang!

That's how often losing streaks of length 30 or more come up if you play at 50.5%.

ashfaq is talking about playing at 50%, and so that's the chance you have to play at to qualify for the prize I'm offering.

It's 1 in 1,073,741,824, since losing at 50% is a bit easier than losing at 50.5%.

Showing my working:

>>> 1 / (1 - 50.5/100) ** 30
1451590214.9428499

>>> 1 / (1 - 50.0/100) ** 30
1073741824.0

Note: this is why I wrote this a while back:

it should only happen about once per BILLION rolls.

Right. Sorry, no idea where got the number from
Probably took the win chance I think with 1% edge.

Yeah, I didn;t read it properly and took 2x instead.
1/(0.5^30) = 1 in 1073741824 rolls.

[ashfaq]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283547.0
and plus i believe in MATH but u know i have a habit of thinking rather than believing..

[ndnh]

Another way to look at it: Since 0 satoshi bets are delayed by 0.3 seconds on JD, the average time needed with non-stop betting would be 2^30*0.3s = 3728 days.

That's right!

If you want to be clicking the 'hi' button for the next 10 years to win a free 1 BTC, be my guest!

Well, if Just-Dice gets a few million rolls per day, it is quite probably that someone will hit it, may be twice a year.

[Shogen]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283547.0
and plus i believe in MATH but u know i have a habit of thinking rather than believing..

Most of the sites are now using the provably fair algorithm with a nonce, and so the server seed and client seed won't need to be changed after every bet.

[dooglus]

i dont care what dooglus says earlier and what he says now because he owns a dice site and his opinion is not considered or as equal as a gambler atleast and plus my point was the way the algorithm of these dice sites is designed is like there is a 50/50 chance to win at 50/50 i.e a 2x multiplier for 1 single roll and there is 30% chance of winning at the same 2x multiplier for 100000 rolls and as u keep on rolling the chances keep on decrease that is why in the long run the casinos win .

It's true that once we saw a losing streak of length 32 at 49.5% on Just-Dice. People play at 49.5% quite a lot. People almost never play at 50%, and that's why we didn't see a losing streak of length 30 at 50.0% yet.

I'm not stating my opinion here. I am stating facts. I am also offering you free money if you can back up your statement that you always get 30 losses in a row at 50%.

What does "there is 30% chance of winning at the same 2x multiplier for 100000 rolls" even mean? Every 50% roll has a 50% chance of winning. All your rolls are predetermined. You get to pick 'hi' or 'lo' after the roll has already been decided, and so like calling heads or tails on a coin toss you have a 50% chance of calling correctly. I don't really understand how you can think it works any differently. If you can explain in more detail how you think the house can change the chance of you guessing a 50/50 result correctly, then maybe I can figure out where you're going wrong in your thought process.

doog u only took the half statement and quoted on it ,i wish if u have read the full sentence.

I try to only quote the parts of messages that I am replying to. I dislike the practice of quoting a big long message and only addressing part of it. But as you wish, here's your whole sentence:

well buddy dont want to argue on this but , if the numbers r not tampered then why do i always get 30 reds at 50% chance while martingale and never got more than 10 reds while manually playing any other multiplier ??

The 2nd part of the sentence claims that you never lost more than 10 bets in a row when playing any chance other than 50%? If that's true, I guess you must be either not playing other chances very often, or when you do, you play at a relatively high chance. If you play at 1% you will almost always get losing streaks longer than 10 in a row for instance. I'm not sure what you want me to say about this 2nd part of your sentence. My main criticism was that you claim to "always get 30 reds at 50%", and that isn't true. To show that it isn't true I offered to pay you 1 BTC if you can show it happening even once on Just-Dice. Then I extended the offer to everyone else as well.

Well, if Just-Dice gets a few million rolls per day, it is quite probably that someone will hit it, may be twice a year.

We've had about 3/4 of a million bets in about 3/4 of a year. So we should expect to see 30 losses in a row at 50% about once per year, assuming everyone bets at 50%. But they don't. Nobody bets at 50%...

[dooglus]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283547.0
and plus i believe in MATH but u know i have a habit of thinking rather than believing..

That article is very out of date. Take a look at how provable fairness works today and you'll find that the points made in that old reddit post no longer apply. In particular modern sites don't change the server seed every roll, and allow the user to pick their client seed *after* the server picks the server seed, and so no manipulation is possible.

The offer of the 1 BTC or 80 CLAMs still stands if you can show me any single 30 reds in a row at 50% on Just-Dice.com.

[ashfaq]

doog u still dont get my point ,i mean why dont i get 20 rolls below 50 when i play 70% i get the opposite sequence of the multiplier or the method i choose

[Bardman]

Another way to look at it: Since 0 satoshi bets are delayed by 0.3 seconds on JD, the average time needed with non-stop betting would be 2^30*0.3s = 3728 days.

That's right!

If you want to be clicking the 'hi' button for the next 10 years to win a free 1 BTC, be my guest!

Well, if Just-Dice gets a few million rolls per day, it is quite probably that someone will hit it, may be twice a year.

No, i dont think so because it requires a high amount of money even starting at 1 satoshi to hit 30 in a row you would need a ton of money, thats why is really rare, of course dice sites have a ton of bets but really almost no one is betting like that, 1 satoshi bet and doubling 30 times.

[dooglus]

doog u still dont get my point ,i mean why dont i get 20 rolls below 50 when i play 70% i get the opposite sequence of the multiplier or the method i choose

You're asking why you don't get such long losing streaks when you play with a higher chance of winning? When you have a 70% chance of winning each roll, you only have a 30% chance of losing each roll, and so the chance of getting long losing streaks is lower. I somehow don't think that's really what you are asking about though, because it seems too obvious.

Please try to state your question clearly.

Did you ever play at Just-Dice? If so, tell me your user number and I will take a look at your betting history. We'll see how many times you rolled under 50 and over 50, and see that they're probably about the same, for instance. Maybe with a concrete dataset we can more easily pinpoint the problem you're having.

No, i dont think so because it requires a high amount of money even starting at 1 satoshi to hit 30 in a row you would need a ton of money, thats why is really rare, of course dice sites have a ton of bets but really almost no one is betting like that, 1 satoshi bet and doubling 30 times.

Forget about doubling. The stake doesn't change the outcome. Any 30 losses at 50% is just as unlikely as any other, no matter whether people are doubling their stakes or not.

[ashfaq]

i cant state more clearly..if u ever understand the question u can PM me ....
and its ok nvm i didnt started this topic, @aramallus take it easy man u seriously need to calm a bit.