The Future of BTC Poker

[nikona]

If/when Pokerstars accepts BTC deposits with low/zero fees it will be great for BTC.

Everytime you deposit there now you pay ~3% in fees.

That is not really the problem. Neteller already accepts btc, so you can deposit anywhere with btc. And there are already many poker rooms that accept btc deposits, some of them in the Ipoker network. They don't have tables, or let you have a balance in btc, but I don't think they will do it (actually if they do that would be for btc, but it would be the end for these small rooms lol). They would do it if they thought they were losing some clients to btc poker rooms, but they wont lose clients because you cant play poker for real in btc poker rooms because of the number of players.

So yes we can talk to people and try to make them experience btc poker rooms, but we can't get them to stay without the number of players they need to play the way they like. And that can only be achieved if the btc rooms unite in the same network (that was the main reason why Ipoker was created, because that was the only way to get players from pokerstars etc. It's really just a matter of copying a success story lol).

AFAIK Neteller is about to change the BTC deposit fee to 5%, if you deposit through Neteller on Pokerstars you lose another 3%, 8% for depositing? Hell no.

Also the daily limit is like $375 at this moment, some high stakes players need to deposit/withdraw thousands to hundreds of thousands.

About a year ago I read on twoplustwo that Pokerstars was testing stuff to add BTC deposits etc. Maybe with them being sold to a gambling corporation is the reason why they still not accept it.

Pokerstars is the biggest poker site with the biggest volume, biggest tournaments etc. Them accepting BTC would be huge.

Didn't know about that, I have been depositing a lot recently through neteller. Any reason for them to change the fees ? as they actually have no fees on their ends .

[WhatTheGox]

If/when Pokerstars accepts BTC deposits with low/zero fees it will be great for BTC.

Everytime you deposit there now you pay ~3% in fees.

That is not really the problem. Neteller already accepts btc, so you can deposit anywhere with btc. And there are already many poker rooms that accept btc deposits, some of them in the Ipoker network. They don't have tables, or let you have a balance in btc, but I don't think they will do it (actually if they do that would be for btc, but it would be the end for these small rooms lol). They would do it if they thought they were losing some clients to btc poker rooms, but they wont lose clients because you cant play poker for real in btc poker rooms because of the number of players.

So yes we can talk to people and try to make them experience btc poker rooms, but we can't get them to stay without the number of players they need to play the way they like. And that can only be achieved if the btc rooms unite in the same network (that was the main reason why Ipoker was created, because that was the only way to get players from pokerstars etc. It's really just a matter of copying a success story lol).

AFAIK Neteller is about to change the BTC deposit fee to 5%, if you deposit through Neteller on Pokerstars you lose another 3%, 8% for depositing? Hell no.

Also the daily limit is like $375 at this moment, some high stakes players need to deposit/withdraw thousands to hundreds of thousands.

About a year ago I read on twoplustwo that Pokerstars was testing stuff to add BTC deposits etc. Maybe with them being sold to a gambling corporation is the reason why they still not accept it.

Pokerstars is the biggest poker site with the biggest volume, biggest tournaments etc. Them accepting BTC would be huge.

Didn't know about that, I have been depositing a lot recently through neteller. Any reason for them to change the fees ? as they actually have no fees on their ends .

It doesnt happen until september when neteller will start raping people i think.  Best thing would be pokerstars to take bitcoin direct then we can cut out neteller.  It does suck though ive used and like neteller in the past.

[Gronthaing]

@nikona Maybe they received another letter from visa or mastercard saying they weren't making enough money out of it. Or it was all just a marketing move for them to get more attention. The change is only effective 10 September though.

Yes the code would have to be rewritten, or a new service would have to be created (one that would offer the new network and the "skins"). If they afford to have one client and be in one network I see not problem to change that client and network for the new client (skin) and be on the new network (the shared one).

As for trust I can't answer it. I'm not providing a service, and if someone would offer something like this I could not speak for them either. Maybe it should be "easier" since now you could point out one company that was providing the network and the client, but trust can always be broken and scams can always happen anywhere, so I can't answer that.

That's true. But what I'm saying is all that hits small sites the worst. Why risk those changes and paying more for new clients and network when gains would probably be modest at best? Larger sites may have more reason to take those chances. But try talking directly to them. Think they all have threads in the forum. See what they have to say about it.

[patt0]

@nikona Maybe they received another letter from visa or mastercard saying they weren't making enough money out of it. Or it was all just a marketing move for them to get more attention. The change is only effective 10 September though.

Yes the code would have to be rewritten, or a new service would have to be created (one that would offer the new network and the "skins"). If they afford to have one client and be in one network I see not problem to change that client and network for the new client (skin) and be on the new network (the shared one).

As for trust I can't answer it. I'm not providing a service, and if someone would offer something like this I could not speak for them either. Maybe it should be "easier" since now you could point out one company that was providing the network and the client, but trust can always be broken and scams can always happen anywhere, so I can't answer that.

That's true. But what I'm saying is all that hits small sites the worst. Why risk those changes and paying more for new clients and network when gains would probably be modest at best? Larger sites may have more reason to take those chances. But try talking directly to them. Think they all have threads in the forum. See what they have to say about it.

I'm having trouble understanding your definition of small sites and larger sites. Would you consider betcoin.ag, swcPoker, nitrogensports, and lucky flop, small or large sites? Like I said I'm new in btc poker that's why I created a thread to get the opinion from the users in the forum, so I could know what were the best sites of btc poker.
You can see the thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1128785.0

Those were some of the most voted ones, so I started there. So my question to you is, are this large site or small sites?

[lexuz]

@nikona Maybe they received another letter from visa or mastercard saying they weren't making enough money out of it. Or it was all just a marketing move for them to get more attention. The change is only effective 10 September though.

Yes the code would have to be rewritten, or a new service would have to be created (one that would offer the new network and the "skins"). If they afford to have one client and be in one network I see not problem to change that client and network for the new client (skin) and be on the new network (the shared one).

As for trust I can't answer it. I'm not providing a service, and if someone would offer something like this I could not speak for them either. Maybe it should be "easier" since now you could point out one company that was providing the network and the client, but trust can always be broken and scams can always happen anywhere, so I can't answer that.

That's true. But what I'm saying is all that hits small sites the worst. Why risk those changes and paying more for new clients and network when gains would probably be modest at best? Larger sites may have more reason to take those chances. But try talking directly to them. Think they all have threads in the forum. See what they have to say about it.

I'm having trouble understanding your definition of small sites and larger sites. Would you consider betcoin.ag, swcPoker, nitrogensports, and lucky flop, small or large sites? Like I said I'm new in btc poker that's why I created a thread to get the opinion from the users in the forum, so I could know what were the best sites of btc poker.
You can see the thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1128785.0

Those were some of the most voted ones, so I started there. So my question to you is, are this large site or small sites?

perhaps what he mean about small sites and large sites is he look in total player online or tournament prize. every people have personal opinion that mean where side he look.
For example: i don't like play at that website because they have customer service not give me treatment as well. It's worst casino for me

[@NEPTpoker]

Most likely they do not want to deal with bitcoin or a skin would have been made already. Must be protecting what they have from all being taken out in a sweep the rug movement.

Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.

I'm sorry what are you saying?
I was not suggesting that Ipoker would "adopt" btc poker rooms. I don't even think that works that way. I was saying that betcoing.ag, swc, luckyflop, etc etc, and all those small btc poker rooms could create a common poker network like Ipoker, so all the few players they have would then become a "decent" number of players, and we would all win with that.

I suspect most of the players playing on betcoin.ag, swc, luckyflop etc.....etc.......are all the same group of players.

In other words, if you see 200 players on betcoin, 200 on swc, and 200 on luckyflop........dont be mistaken thinking there are 600 unique people playing btc poker.  More likely its the same core group of 200 playing with an account on each site.

[WhatTheGox]

Most likely they do not want to deal with bitcoin or a skin would have been made already. Must be protecting what they have from all being taken out in a sweep the rug movement.

Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.

I'm sorry what are you saying?
I was not suggesting that Ipoker would "adopt" btc poker rooms. I don't even think that works that way. I was saying that betcoing.ag, swc, luckyflop, etc etc, and all those small btc poker rooms could create a common poker network like Ipoker, so all the few players they have would then become a "decent" number of players, and we would all win with that.

I suspect most of the players playing on betcoin.ag, swc, luckyflop etc.....etc.......are all the same group of players.

In other words, if you see 200 players on betcoin, 200 on swc, and 200 on luckyflop........dont be mistaken thinking there are 600 unique people playing btc poker.  More likely its the same core group of 200 playing with an account on each site.

Yeah no doubt this is true to a certain extent, decent players have to multi table to earn more.  Its probably more a ratio like 50-60% though as each site will bring in its own players.

[patt0]

Most likely they do not want to deal with bitcoin or a skin would have been made already. Must be protecting what they have from all being taken out in a sweep the rug movement.

Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.

I'm sorry what are you saying?
I was not suggesting that Ipoker would "adopt" btc poker rooms. I don't even think that works that way. I was saying that betcoing.ag, swc, luckyflop, etc etc, and all those small btc poker rooms could create a common poker network like Ipoker, so all the few players they have would then become a "decent" number of players, and we would all win with that.

I suspect most of the players playing on betcoin.ag, swc, luckyflop etc.....etc.......are all the same group of players.

In other words, if you see 200 players on betcoin, 200 on swc, and 200 on luckyflop........dont be mistaken thinking there are 600 unique people playing btc poker.  More likely its the same core group of 200 playing with an account on each site.

It's not entirely like that. For now I only have an account on betcoin.ag and swcpoker, and there is a big difference in both houses. I login on both and I can multitable from time to time on betcoin.ag, although in different blinds which is not the same thing (because of bankroll management and variance, like things can be good on all 3 micro stakes, and some bad luck on the mid stake table would ruin the session), and the max I can do if I'm lucky is to be in 4 tables at once, but I can't do that in swcpoker, it has much less players at the table.

I would play on both of them at the same time if I could since I can't get the desirable amount of tables in just one house but even like that I can't quite play the way I like, so I don't think that all the base players are the same.

[WhatTheGox]

Most likely they do not want to deal with bitcoin or a skin would have been made already. Must be protecting what they have from all being taken out in a sweep the rug movement.

Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.

I'm sorry what are you saying?
I was not suggesting that Ipoker would "adopt" btc poker rooms. I don't even think that works that way. I was saying that betcoing.ag, swc, luckyflop, etc etc, and all those small btc poker rooms could create a common poker network like Ipoker, so all the few players they have would then become a "decent" number of players, and we would all win with that.

I suspect most of the players playing on betcoin.ag, swc, luckyflop etc.....etc.......are all the same group of players.

In other words, if you see 200 players on betcoin, 200 on swc, and 200 on luckyflop........dont be mistaken thinking there are 600 unique people playing btc poker.  More likely its the same core group of 200 playing with an account on each site.

It's not entirely like that. For now I only have an account on betcoin.ag and swcpoker, and there is a big difference in both houses. I login on both and I can multitable from time to time on betcoin.ag, although in different blinds which is not the same thing (because of bankroll management and variance, like things can be good on all 3 micro stakes, and some bad luck on the mid stake table would ruin the session), and the max I can do if I'm lucky is to be in 4 tables at once, but I can't do that in swcpoker, it has much less players at the table.

I would play on both of them at the same time if I could since I can't get the desirable amount of tables in just one house but even like that I can't quite play the way I like, so I don't think that all the base players are the same.

Making all the sites on 1 network would be so much better for multi tabling.  With all the sites operating slightly different it makes it a challenge to play multiple sites at the same time.  End result is less games, less rake for sites also.

[TrillMyWatch]

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[giustone]

I like to play poker om bitspoker and pokershines.
Very good websites.On pokershibes you can buy with rakeback dogecoins.

[patt0]

BETCOIN POKER! BEST SOFTWARE AROUND!

BETCOIN.AG
https://www.betcoin.ag/?a=2890

I like to play poker om bitspoker and pokershines.
Very good websites.On pokershibes you can buy with rakeback dogecoins.

I'm sorry but I think you are a bit off topic. Please cast your vote and leave your comments about poker rooms in this thread.
This one was just to see what the community thought about applying a similar model to the Ipoker network on BTC poker rooms.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1128785.0

Thank you.

[enterrapoker]

Let me talk from the other side 

We at Enterra, Inc. have been developing BTC poker network for about a year, it's now growing fast enough, and the number of playing increases, especially when skilled teams join us, like BetVIP. What stops new and old poker rooms from joining the network is that they don't physically own software, or server - just their website. We do all the technical maintenance and host the games, so all they can do is changing the room's skin, create or edit poker tables and tournaments, start promotions and market their room.

Poker clients' may look different but they are using all the same server platform to ensure that all games in the network are fair and all the partners are equal.

As the software and server owner we take a rake percentage from each partner room for maintenance, updates, etc.

[shulio]

Let me talk from the other side 

We at Enterra, Inc. have been developing BTC poker network for about a year, it's now growing fast enough, and the number of playing increases, especially when skilled teams join us, like BetVIP. What stops new and old poker rooms from joining the network is that they don't physically own software, or server - just their website. We do all the technical maintenance and host the games, so all they can do is changing the room's skin, create or edit poker tables and tournaments, start promotions and market their room.

Poker clients' may look different but they are using all the same server platform to ensure that all games in the network are fair and all the partners are equal.

As the software and server owner we take a rake percentage from each partner room for maintenance, updates, etc.

Betvip is dead. What do you mean by this poker network? because I see only players from betvip that play before and no other site use that software and that many players there dont even want to play ring games. Beside betvip is there still a website that use your software ?

[jayce]

Playing online poker with bitcoin is a good thing, since we don't need to make poker face when we playing with each others. But, it spend longer time and its harder than playing in dice even blackjack. That's why people prefer to play in dice site instead of poker.