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August 02, 2015, 05:12:30 PM
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A gunman killed during his attack on an Islamic prophet Muhammad art show in Garland, Texas, reportedly bought a pistol through a botched federal firearm sting.

Nadir Soofi bought a 9-mm pistol at a Phoenix gun shop in 2010, one report said, that sold illegal firearms through ATF’s heavily criticized Operation Fast and Furious to track firearms back to Mexican drug cartels.

The Senate Homeland Security Committee wants to know if that same pistol was used five years later in an alleged Islamic State-sanctioned shootout targeting right-wing blogger Pamela Geller’s event, according to a memo obtained by the Los Angeles Times.

The letter is addressed to U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch from Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson.

Both shooters, Soofi and his roommate, Elton Simpson, were armed with assault rifles and killed in the May 3 gunfight that ensued with Garland police.

Since that attack, the FBI and DOJ has failed to produce serial numbers for the firearms used by Soofi and Simpson instilling the fear that the operation resulted in yet another instance of domestic violence, the LA Times reported.

A week-long hold was also placed on Soofi’s gun purchase, but authorities lifted it after only a day, the Times added.

The ATF operation ended a month after two guns obtained through the sting were used in a 2010 gunfight with Mexican bandits that killed Brian Terry, an agent with the Border Patrol’s elite tactical team working along the Mexican border in Arizona.

The revelation that a Department of Justice operation let about 1,400 firearms go missing in the hands of drug cartels and gangs put a hiccup in Eric Holder stint as attorney general.

Though the sting resulted in 34 indictments, the scandal’s aftermath resulted in several resignations and a House of Representative vote to hold Holder in criminal contempt when he refused to release documents tied to the gun running scheme.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/garland-gunman-bought-gun-operation-fast-furious-article-1.2311893

Obama's and Holder's botched "Fast and Furious" operation intentionally turned over 2,000 semi-automatic and fully-automatic weapons to the drug cartels in order to make a case for more gun control here in the U.S. and are now accessories to hundreds of crimes in total between U.S. and Mexico.

Now we have one more of those guns showing up in the hands of a criminal (terrorist in this case) wanting to do harm to innocent Americans.

Obama and Holder need to be put in orange jumpsuits and frogged marched to a Federal penitentiary ASAP!
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August 02, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
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If a gun store owner knowingly sells a firearm to a person who's intent is to use it in a criminal act then that gun store owner is liable and must suffer the penalty.

Obama and Holder knowing sold firearms to persons who's intent was to use them in criminal acts.

Arrest Obama.

Arrest Holder.

Do it now.
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August 02, 2015, 05:17:07 PM
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A gunman killed during his attack on an Islamic prophet Muhammad art show in Garland, Texas, reportedly bought a pistol through a botched federal firearm sting.

Nadir Soofi bought a 9-mm pistol at a Phoenix gun shop in 2010, one report said, that sold illegal firearms through ATF’s heavily criticized Operation Fast and Furious to track firearms back to Mexican drug cartels.

The Senate Homeland Security Committee wants to know if that same pistol was used five years later in an alleged Islamic State-sanctioned shootout targeting right-wing blogger Pamela Geller’s event, according to a memo obtained by the Los Angeles Times.

The letter is addressed to U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch from Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson.

Both shooters, Soofi and his roommate, Elton Simpson, were armed with assault rifles and killed in the May 3 gunfight that ensued with Garland police.

Since that attack, the FBI and DOJ has failed to produce serial numbers for the firearms used by Soofi and Simpson instilling the fear that the operation resulted in yet another instance of domestic violence, the LA Times reported.

A week-long hold was also placed on Soofi’s gun purchase, but authorities lifted it after only a day, the Times added.

The ATF operation ended a month after two guns obtained through the sting were used in a 2010 gunfight with Mexican bandits that killed Brian Terry, an agent with the Border Patrol’s elite tactical team working along the Mexican border in Arizona.

The revelation that a Department of Justice operation let about 1,400 firearms go missing in the hands of drug cartels and gangs put a hiccup in Eric Holder stint as attorney general.

Though the sting resulted in 34 indictments, the scandal’s aftermath resulted in several resignations and a House of Representative vote to hold Holder in criminal contempt when he refused to release documents tied to the gun running scheme.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/garland-gunman-bought-gun-operation-fast-furious-article-1.2311893

Obama's and Holder's botched "Fast and Furious" operation intentionally turned over 2,000 semi-automatic and fully-automatic weapons to the drug cartels in order to make a case for more gun control here in the U.S. and are now accessories to hundreds of crimes in total between U.S. and Mexico.

Now we have one more of those guns showing up in the hands of a criminal (terrorist in this case) wanting to do harm to innocent Americans.

Obama and Holder need to be put in orange jumpsuits and frogged marched to a Federal penitentiary ASAP!

So what? The racist right-winger who massacred a church-full of blacks was allowed to buy a gun because of the insane laws foisted on us by the nra and its lapdogs. The right-wing nutter, Houser, had an arsenal of weapons he was able to buy under our current gun laws. The list goes on and on.
People who support the insanity of our current gun laws are morally responsible for all of the gun killings that are perpetrated by these extremists.
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August 02, 2015, 05:18:10 PM
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So what? The racist right-winger who massacred a church-full of blacks was allowed to buy a gun because of the insane laws foisted on us by the nra and its lapdogs. The right-wing nutter, Houser, had an arsenal of weapons he was able to buy under our current gun laws. The list goes on and on.
People who support the insanity of our current gun laws are morally responsible for all of the gun killings that are perpetrated by these extremists.

Why don't you tell us how many straw purchase convictions has Obama prosecuted since he has been in office Joe? Those laws have been on the books for a long time, with little to none results

Your little pathetic diversion from the fact that Obama and Holder failed stupid program just shows what a kool aid drinker you are and what inept pathetic lying leadership you elected. I guess it's natural for someone like you to try and divert this thread, you must be embarrassed
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August 02, 2015, 05:19:06 PM
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So what? The racist right-winger who massacred a church-full of blacks was allowed to buy a gun because of the insane laws foisted on us by the nra and its lapdogs. The right-wing nutter, Houser, had an arsenal of weapons he was able to buy under our current gun laws. The list goes on and on.
People who support the insanity of our current gun laws are morally responsible for all of the gun killings that are perpetrated by these extremists.

If someone wanted to kill a church full of black people that badly, they would just decided to blow it up or gone on a murder spree with a knife, or throwing stars, etc if they couldn't purchase a gun. Having tougher gun laws will not prevent deaths from crazy people. Period.

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August 02, 2015, 05:19:19 PM
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You guys literally know nothing about Fast and Furious. The Government did not force gun shops to sell guns to people. They tracked the guns that were legally bought by individuals they thought were gun runners in order to get evidence to arrest them or to find out how they are distributing these guns. Arizona law prevented the government from stopping these purchases. They were all legal purchases. If you really are a realistic person, Fast & Furious makes gun protection laws look horrible. The government can't stop gun runners from purchasing as many guns as they want in order to distribute to drug cartels. They have to prove that they are distributing these guns to the cartels.

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August 02, 2015, 05:20:21 PM
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You guys literally know nothing about Fast and Furious. The Government did not force gun shops to sell guns to people. They tracked the guns that were legally bought by individuals they thought were gun runners in order to get evidence to arrest them or to find out how they are distributing these guns. Arizona law prevented the government from stopping these purchases. They were all legal purchases. If you really are a realistic person, Fast & Furious makes gun protection laws look horrible. The government can't stop gun runners from purchasing as many guns as they want in order to distribute to drug cartels. They have to prove that they are distributing these guns to the cartels.
Great excuse for a failed inept president. Bush was smart enough to know how (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up this program was, but not your esteemed king

Maybe you can produce the number of straw purchase convictions the gun hating liberal loon Obama administration has prosecuted? Can't wait for your answer on this one
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August 02, 2015, 05:21:09 PM
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Great excuse for a failed inept president. Bush was smart enough to know how (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up this program was, but not your esteemed king

Maybe you can produce the number of straw purchase convictions the gun hating liberal loon Obama administration has prosecuted? Can't wait for your answer on this one

The purchases would have happened with or without fast and furious. Not sure what your point is. The government has no ability to stop gun runners from purchasing guns unless they can prove they are gun runners. What a shocker, maybe they need to know what guns they are buying and where those guns end up. Fast & Furious is a normal idea for people to want to understand how guns move between our country and Mexico.

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August 02, 2015, 05:22:09 PM
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Your little pathetic diversion from the fact that Obama and Holder failed stupid program just shows what a kool aid drinker you are and what inept pathetic lying leadership you elected. I guess it's natural for someone like you to try and divert this thread, you must be embarrassed

Au contraire, mon ami, the pathetic little distraction comes from right-wingers bleating chicken little hysterics when a Mexican kills someone with a gun while tripping over themselves to make excuses when domestic right-wing extremists massacre innocent people with guns that they obtained legally because of the insane gun laws that the nra and its idiot lapdogs promote.
You people are so fond of repeating the nra mantra that guns don't kill, people do. Well, billy, why are you blaming the gun now?
Nobody is buying the hypocrisy that right-wingers are peddling.
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August 02, 2015, 05:24:07 PM
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Au contraire, mon ami, the pathetic little distraction comes from right-wingers bleating chicken little hysterics when a Mexican kills someone with a gun while tripping over themselves to make excuses when domestic right-wing extremists massacre innocent people with guns that they obtained legally because of the insane gun laws that the nra and its idiot lapdogs promote.
You people are so fond of repeating the nra mantra that guns don't kill, people do. Well, billy, why are you blaming the gun now?
Nobody is buying the hypocrisy that right-wingers are peddling.
Oh please. Find me a serious person who has defended Roof? Who didn't call him a loon? But there sure has been plenty that have defended illegals who kill people claiming it's their right to be in the country and just part of life. They don't see how ones legal status makes a murder that much more tragic. Just check out any of the threads.

Who the excused Roof for killing those people? Loads of outrage. Sure as didn't see much outrage over an illegal killing anyone except from the right. Guarantee 1/2 the Left in this country knows more about a lion getting shot than an innocent woman.
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August 02, 2015, 05:25:19 PM
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So what? The racist right-winger who massacred a church-full of blacks was allowed to buy a gun because of the insane laws foisted on us by the nra and its lapdogs. The right-wing nutter, Houser, had an arsenal of weapons he was able to buy under our current gun laws. The list goes on and on.
People who support the insanity of our current gun laws are morally responsible for all of the gun killings that are perpetrated by these extremists.

The NRA had nothing to do with that. There was a glitch with the background checks. A little honestly would give you some respect on this forum. Try it some time.
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August 02, 2015, 05:28:39 PM
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Obama's and Holder's botched "Fast and Furious" operation intentionally turned over 2,000 semi-automatic and fully-automatic weapons to the drug cartels in order to make a case for more gun control here in the U.S. and are now accessories to hundreds of crimes in total between U.S. and Mexico.

Now we have one more of those guns showing up in the hands of a criminal (terrorist in this case) wanting to do harm to innocent Americans.

Obama and Holder need to be put in orange jumpsuits and frogged marched to a Federal penitentiary ASAP!


I regret it was neither Obama nor Holder who authorized this gun running scheme. It actually was started during the Bush administration. Have a nice day and you may now return to reading your alternate history textbook.

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August 02, 2015, 05:33:59 PM
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I regret it was neither Obama nor Holder who authorized this gun running scheme. It actually was started during the Bush administration. Have a nice day and you may now return to reading your alternate history textbook.

Two different operations. One with the full co-op of the Mexican Government the other without their knowledge.
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August 02, 2015, 05:35:08 PM
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Two different operations. One with the full co-op of the Mexican Government the other without their knowledge.

Correct. Fanatical Obama supporters are arguing with Right of Center posters who were outraged enough by Fast and Furious when it first came to the Right's attention to research it AND the Bush administration non--screwed up previous operation, and all while the Left's sycophantic Mainstream Media was collectively on their knees giving Barack Obama and Eric Holder copious amounts of suck action and doing their very best to ignore F&F.

So we have leftists who came to the issue late -- once they discovered to their outrage that Congress wasn't about to just turn a blind eye to what Holder and Obama had both sanctioned -- and even then only researched using sycophantic leftist media outlet sources which WERE going to spin and cover for Holder and Obama. Right of Center posters on the other hand studied both leftist and Right of Center news sources so as to discover the complete truth. One wonders why leftists even bother trying to argue with Right of Center experts on this subject?
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August 02, 2015, 05:36:28 PM
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The purchases would have happened with or without fast and furious. Not sure what your point is. The government has no ability to stop gun runners from purchasing guns unless they can prove they are gun runners. What a shocker, maybe they need to know what guns they are buying and where those guns end up. Fast & Furious is a normal idea for people to want to understand how guns move between our country and Mexico.

Total bull(*)(*)(*)(*), try again: Straw purchases are illegal, end of story, and your little dance ain't gonna work

the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
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August 02, 2015, 05:37:34 PM
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Au contraire, mon ami, the pathetic little distraction comes from right-wingers bleating chicken little hysterics when a Mexican kills someone with a gun while tripping over themselves to make excuses when domestic right-wing extremists massacre innocent people with guns that they obtained legally because of the insane gun laws that the nra and its idiot lapdogs promote.
You people are so fond of repeating the nra mantra that guns don't kill, people do. Well, billy, why are you blaming the gun now?
Nobody is buying the hypocrisy that right-wingers are peddling.

Please tell us what the NRA mantra is rio? The fact that nuts will get guns no matter what is a sad part of life, but your esteemed king you elected chose to put thousands of them in circulation illegally and now innocent people are being murdered by them.

So sad to see you promote illegals being in our country murdering people. But then, I would expect nothing less from you

Also, are you trying to claim all the insane murders are from right wing extremists? Post it or retract your pathetic comment
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August 02, 2015, 05:41:32 PM
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Why don't you tell us how many straw purchase convictions has Obama prosecuted since he has been in office Joe? Those laws have been on the books for a long time, with little to none results

Your little pathetic diversion from the fact that Obama and Holder failed stupid program just shows what a kool aid drinker you are and what inept pathetic lying leadership you elected. I guess it's natural for someone like you to try and divert this thread, you must be embarrassed

Those laws are notriously difficult to enforce, too. The NRA works hard to make sure it stays that way.
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August 02, 2015, 05:42:48 PM
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Those laws are notriously difficult to enforce, too. The NRA works hard to make sure it stays that way.

I was just at a Gun show in Florida. Strangely enough there was 2 on duty police there and they were doing back ground checks on everyone.. Even had signs everyone detailing the illegality of straw purchases...

Reality over talking points...
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August 02, 2015, 05:45:02 PM
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Who didn't call him a loon?

Exactly. Thanks for playing.
Right-wingers trip over themselves trying to paint all the racist mass murderers as loons and quickly dismiss them instead of facing the problem of our gun laws allowing nutters to buy weapons, and dealing with the racist, intolerant, violent culture that the right promotes that enables and inspires these so-called loons.
Meanwhile any Mexican or Muslim that commits a crime is hysterically heralded as irrefutable evidence of the utter depravity of their entire culture and the need to deal with all of them very harshly.
The hypocrisy from the right is nauseating.
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August 02, 2015, 05:49:13 PM
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Those laws are notriously difficult to enforce, too. The NRA works hard to make sure it stays that way.

Oh yes, more excuses. Then why don't you tell me why they were passed? Passing a bunch of stupid gun laws is what you liberals do, enforcing them is another story, so you pathetically make excuses why they are rarely enforced

Also, give me some examples where the NRA thwarts straw purchases?

Can't wait to hear your next excuse
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