NSA KNOWS

[AtheistAKASaneBrain]

Off-chain transaction or Darkwallet should make it harder for them, ew already know that transaction are tracable with some efforts and they can build system and basically all someone need to know where are you and who are you is your IP address

Darkwallet doesn't properly work, its very early version what's out there. Only if they keep releasing it we'll have any sort of anonimity. BTC right is just not anonymous at all. Maybe CoinJoin helps too but I have no idea how that works yet.

[VirosaGITS]

Off-chain transaction or Darkwallet should make it harder for them, ew already know that transaction are tracable with some efforts and they can build system and basically all someone need to know where are you and who are you is your IP address

Darkwallet doesn't properly work, its very early version what's out there. Only if they keep releasing it we'll have any sort of anonimity. BTC right is just not anonymous at all. Maybe CoinJoin helps too but I have no idea how that works yet.

BTC is semi anonymous. You would need to use obfuscation services to clear your tracks.

For now we'll have to rely on trading BTC to an anonymous coin or service and then to Fiat or BTC with your tracks cleared. Its a bit of a pain right now, but maybe there will be more streamlined method when the demand raise further.

[ranochigo]

Off-chain transaction or Darkwallet should make it harder for them, ew already know that transaction are tracable with some efforts and they can build system and basically all someone need to know where are you and who are you is your IP address

Darkwallet doesn't properly work, its very early version what's out there. Only if they keep releasing it we'll have any sort of anonimity. BTC right is just not anonymous at all. Maybe CoinJoin helps too but I have no idea how that works yet.

BTC is semi anonymous. You would need to use obfuscation services to clear your tracks.

For now we'll have to rely on trading BTC to an anonymous coin or service and then to Fiat or BTC with your tracks cleared. Its a bit of a pain right now, but maybe there will be more streamlined method when the demand raise further.

Bitcoin is pseudonymous. Trading it back and forth via various exchanges probably wouldn't help as they require verification once you hit a certain limit or when you register. Bitcoin is never designed to be anonymous at all. It can be pseudonymous from the general public if you don't reuse address and don't reveal the addresses to anyone else. Mixers service would ensure that the transactions wouldn't link together hence it would be quite anonymous.

[VirosaGITS]

Off-chain transaction or Darkwallet should make it harder for them, ew already know that transaction are tracable with some efforts and they can build system and basically all someone need to know where are you and who are you is your IP address

Darkwallet doesn't properly work, its very early version what's out there. Only if they keep releasing it we'll have any sort of anonimity. BTC right is just not anonymous at all. Maybe CoinJoin helps too but I have no idea how that works yet.

BTC is semi anonymous. You would need to use obfuscation services to clear your tracks.

For now we'll have to rely on trading BTC to an anonymous coin or service and then to Fiat or BTC with your tracks cleared. Its a bit of a pain right now, but maybe there will be more streamlined method when the demand raise further.

Bitcoin is pseudonymous. Trading it back and forth via various exchanges probably wouldn't help as they require verification once you hit a certain limit or when you register. Bitcoin is never designed to be anonymous at all. It can be pseudonymous from the general public if you don't reuse address and don't reveal the addresses to anyone else. Mixers service would ensure that the transactions wouldn't link together hence it would be quite anonymous.

Indeed, i don't mean depositing to an exchange or any services that log information such as IP, etc. I strictly mean manually obfuscating or obfuscation services such as mixers or instant coin exchange that doesnt log ip.

Manually i'm talking about clever way of spending your BTC but getting it back, like buying hash and running it through an untraceable route

[Hopalong]

Not sure why NSA would care...

Or anyone else...

[RodeoX]

Here is the software. What, you thought money laundering was going to be legal with bitcoin?

https://www.elliptic.co/bigbang-v1.html
And it's not the NSA, it is the FBI and IRS that will use this. Along with dozens of other governments around the world.

[albert11]

So how is the NSA going to detect how much bitcoins Joe has, or what he is receiving or spending? How are they going to monitor "his" Bitcoin traffic, considering that the P2P traffic he sends and receives is effectively the whole current Bitcoin P2P state, with anyone and everyone's data mixed together.

I read somewhere that when a transaction is broadcasted to the network then the first node to process that transaction is very likely the sender himself.
Also read that peers can see your IP when the transaction is sent to the network but only from peers that you are connected to.If peers have ability to attach an IP to a transaction wouldn't for example NSA peers be able to log IP of every transactions that go through them, can peers chose which transaction they want to broadcast or is this random?
When i use my client it usually says i am connected to a certain numbers of peers, what does these peers know about me?

Sorry if my questions seems confusing, i am not very tech sawy but if you could explain how it all works i'd appreciate.

[jonald_fyookball]

Thanks Edward Snowden, I never knew the NSA was spying on me!   

use TOR if you're paranoid.

[VirosaGITS]

Here is the software. What, you thought money laundering was going to be legal with bitcoin?

https://www.elliptic.co/bigbang-v1.html
And it's not the NSA, it is the FBI and IRS that will use this. Along with dozens of other governments around the world.

Funny how keeping your transaction anonymity is basically the same process as "laundering". Semantics aside, i believe doing anonymous transactions, if not with ill obtained gains, is completely legal?

So how is the NSA going to detect how much bitcoins Joe has, or what he is receiving or spending? How are they going to monitor "his" Bitcoin traffic, considering that the P2P traffic he sends and receives is effectively the whole current Bitcoin P2P state, with anyone and everyone's data mixed together.

I read somewhere that when a transaction is broadcasted to the network then the first node to process that transaction is very likely the sender himself.
Also read that peers can see your IP when the transaction is sent to the network but only from peers that you are connected to.If peers have ability to attach an IP to a transaction wouldn't for example NSA peers be able to log IP of every transactions that go through them, can peers chose which transaction they want to broadcast or is this random?
When i use my client it usually says i am connected to a certain numbers of peers, what does these peers know about me?

Sorry if my questions seems confusing, i am not very tech sawy but if you could explain how it all works i'd appreciate.

Hmm well, yes it is possible for your IP to be logged. Nothing prevent you from hiding it, however, i believe. IP browsing security is a hot trend lately so that's not particularly a new thing to keep in mind. Definitively worth a go if you .torrent

[Abiky]

Well, I don't know but I think Monero has a great level of anonymity (not to mention other coins such as BitcoinDark and Dash). Maybe the NSA can't trace your transactions with these coins? 

[Hopalong]

Here is the software. What, you thought money laundering was going to be legal with bitcoin?

https://www.elliptic.co/bigbang-v1.html
And it's not the NSA, it is the FBI and IRS that will use this. Along with dozens of other governments around the world.

Funny how keeping your transaction anonymity is basically the same process as "laundering". Semantics aside, i believe doing anonymous transactions, if not with ill obtained gains, is completely legal?

So how is the NSA going to detect how much bitcoins Joe has, or what he is receiving or spending? How are they going to monitor "his" Bitcoin traffic, considering that the P2P traffic he sends and receives is effectively the whole current Bitcoin P2P state, with anyone and everyone's data mixed together.

I read somewhere that when a transaction is broadcasted to the network then the first node to process that transaction is very likely the sender himself.
Also read that peers can see your IP when the transaction is sent to the network but only from peers that you are connected to.If peers have ability to attach an IP to a transaction wouldn't for example NSA peers be able to log IP of every transactions that go through them, can peers chose which transaction they want to broadcast or is this random?
When i use my client it usually says i am connected to a certain numbers of peers, what does these peers know about me?

Sorry if my questions seems confusing, i am not very tech sawy but if you could explain how it all works i'd appreciate.

Hmm well, yes it is possible for your IP to be logged. Nothing prevent you from hiding it, however, i believe. IP browsing security is a hot trend lately so that's not particularly a new thing to keep in mind. Definitively worth a go if you .torrent

If you are using torrents your IP get loged even trough Tor. No hiding is possible.

[Abiky]

Here is the software. What, you thought money laundering was going to be legal with bitcoin?

https://www.elliptic.co/bigbang-v1.html
And it's not the NSA, it is the FBI and IRS that will use this. Along with dozens of other governments around the world.

Funny how keeping your transaction anonymity is basically the same process as "laundering". Semantics aside, i believe doing anonymous transactions, if not with ill obtained gains, is completely legal?

So how is the NSA going to detect how much bitcoins Joe has, or what he is receiving or spending? How are they going to monitor "his" Bitcoin traffic, considering that the P2P traffic he sends and receives is effectively the whole current Bitcoin P2P state, with anyone and everyone's data mixed together.

I read somewhere that when a transaction is broadcasted to the network then the first node to process that transaction is very likely the sender himself.
Also read that peers can see your IP when the transaction is sent to the network but only from peers that you are connected to.If peers have ability to attach an IP to a transaction wouldn't for example NSA peers be able to log IP of every transactions that go through them, can peers chose which transaction they want to broadcast or is this random?
When i use my client it usually says i am connected to a certain numbers of peers, what does these peers know about me?

Sorry if my questions seems confusing, i am not very tech sawy but if you could explain how it all works i'd appreciate.

Hmm well, yes it is possible for your IP to be logged. Nothing prevent you from hiding it, however, i believe. IP browsing security is a hot trend lately so that's not particularly a new thing to keep in mind. Definitively worth a go if you .torrent

If you are using torrents your IP get loged even trough Tor. No hiding is possible.

What about using Tor and VPN at the same time. Maybe that will provide greater anonymity. I use Tor and Hotspot Shield at the same time. I think Hotspot Shield is the best. 

[BillyBobZorton]

Here is the software. What, you thought money laundering was going to be legal with bitcoin?

https://www.elliptic.co/bigbang-v1.html
And it's not the NSA, it is the FBI and IRS that will use this. Along with dozens of other governments around the world.

Funny how keeping your transaction anonymity is basically the same process as "laundering". Semantics aside, i believe doing anonymous transactions, if not with ill obtained gains, is completely legal?

So how is the NSA going to detect how much bitcoins Joe has, or what he is receiving or spending? How are they going to monitor "his" Bitcoin traffic, considering that the P2P traffic he sends and receives is effectively the whole current Bitcoin P2P state, with anyone and everyone's data mixed together.

I read somewhere that when a transaction is broadcasted to the network then the first node to process that transaction is very likely the sender himself.
Also read that peers can see your IP when the transaction is sent to the network but only from peers that you are connected to.If peers have ability to attach an IP to a transaction wouldn't for example NSA peers be able to log IP of every transactions that go through them, can peers chose which transaction they want to broadcast or is this random?
When i use my client it usually says i am connected to a certain numbers of peers, what does these peers know about me?

Sorry if my questions seems confusing, i am not very tech sawy but if you could explain how it all works i'd appreciate.

Hmm well, yes it is possible for your IP to be logged. Nothing prevent you from hiding it, however, i believe. IP browsing security is a hot trend lately so that's not particularly a new thing to keep in mind. Definitively worth a go if you .torrent

If you are using torrents your IP get loged even trough Tor. No hiding is possible.

What about using Tor and VPN at the same time. Maybe that will provide greater anonymity. I use Tor and Hotspot Shield at the same time. I think Hotspot Shield is the best. 

If you buy BTC throught a exchange using fiat there's no amount of anonymity you can take, it's pointless, when you enter your data they'll know how much BTC in total have you ever bought, then they could ask where all that bought BTC went tho. If you refuse to talk they'll probably pay a new law that says you'll go to jail if you don't tell where the BTC are, they'll not even need to do actual research because they know you have x BTC bought from there.

[Abiky]

Here is the software. What, you thought money laundering was going to be legal with bitcoin?

https://www.elliptic.co/bigbang-v1.html
And it's not the NSA, it is the FBI and IRS that will use this. Along with dozens of other governments around the world.

Funny how keeping your transaction anonymity is basically the same process as "laundering". Semantics aside, i believe doing anonymous transactions, if not with ill obtained gains, is completely legal?

So how is the NSA going to detect how much bitcoins Joe has, or what he is receiving or spending? How are they going to monitor "his" Bitcoin traffic, considering that the P2P traffic he sends and receives is effectively the whole current Bitcoin P2P state, with anyone and everyone's data mixed together.

I read somewhere that when a transaction is broadcasted to the network then the first node to process that transaction is very likely the sender himself.
Also read that peers can see your IP when the transaction is sent to the network but only from peers that you are connected to.If peers have ability to attach an IP to a transaction wouldn't for example NSA peers be able to log IP of every transactions that go through them, can peers chose which transaction they want to broadcast or is this random?
When i use my client it usually says i am connected to a certain numbers of peers, what does these peers know about me?

Sorry if my questions seems confusing, i am not very tech sawy but if you could explain how it all works i'd appreciate.

Hmm well, yes it is possible for your IP to be logged. Nothing prevent you from hiding it, however, i believe. IP browsing security is a hot trend lately so that's not particularly a new thing to keep in mind. Definitively worth a go if you .torrent

If you are using torrents your IP get loged even trough Tor. No hiding is possible.

What about using Tor and VPN at the same time. Maybe that will provide greater anonymity. I use Tor and Hotspot Shield at the same time. I think Hotspot Shield is the best. 

If you buy BTC throught a exchange using fiat there's no amount of anonymity you can take, it's pointless, when you enter your data they'll know how much BTC in total have you ever bought, then they could ask where all that bought BTC went tho. If you refuse to talk they'll probably pay a new law that says you'll go to jail if you don't tell where the BTC are, they'll not even need to do actual research because they know you have x BTC bought from there.

Well, what about a decentralized exchange such as Coinffeine? Is it anonymous to exchange Bitcoin to fiat using such services?

By the way here's Coinffeine's description on their main page:

Coinffeine is an open source, peer-to-peer (P2P) bitcoin exchange platform. With Coinffeine you are able to buy and sell bitcoins securely and anonymously without having to rely on a centralized exchange. It's like BitTorrent for your bitcoins!

[Hopalong]

Here is the software. What, you thought money laundering was going to be legal with bitcoin?

https://www.elliptic.co/bigbang-v1.html
And it's not the NSA, it is the FBI and IRS that will use this. Along with dozens of other governments around the world.

Funny how keeping your transaction anonymity is basically the same process as "laundering". Semantics aside, i believe doing anonymous transactions, if not with ill obtained gains, is completely legal?

So how is the NSA going to detect how much bitcoins Joe has, or what he is receiving or spending? How are they going to monitor "his" Bitcoin traffic, considering that the P2P traffic he sends and receives is effectively the whole current Bitcoin P2P state, with anyone and everyone's data mixed together.

I read somewhere that when a transaction is broadcasted to the network then the first node to process that transaction is very likely the sender himself.
Also read that peers can see your IP when the transaction is sent to the network but only from peers that you are connected to.If peers have ability to attach an IP to a transaction wouldn't for example NSA peers be able to log IP of every transactions that go through them, can peers chose which transaction they want to broadcast or is this random?
When i use my client it usually says i am connected to a certain numbers of peers, what does these peers know about me?

Sorry if my questions seems confusing, i am not very tech sawy but if you could explain how it all works i'd appreciate.

Hmm well, yes it is possible for your IP to be logged. Nothing prevent you from hiding it, however, i believe. IP browsing security is a hot trend lately so that's not particularly a new thing to keep in mind. Definitively worth a go if you .torrent

If you are using torrents your IP get loged even trough Tor. No hiding is possible.

What about using Tor and VPN at the same time. Maybe that will provide greater anonymity. I use Tor and Hotspot Shield at the same time. I think Hotspot Shield is the best. 

Have not checked if you can stack up protection like that since downloading torrents is legal here. Problem is the torrent software that try to get the shortest route ignoring Tor.

[Abiky]

Some say that I2P is more anonymous than Tor. But I don't know if it's true. Isn't there any difference between I2P and Tor because they look alike. Or maybe I'm missing something 

[VirosaGITS]

Have not checked if you can stack up protection like that since downloading torrents is legal here. Problem is the torrent software that try to get the shortest route ignoring Tor.

Nope you can protect your IP. However using alternative protocol is probably another necessity. A good thing to use is forcing encryption, that way you're at least reducing the chance of giving others proof of what the content of what you are downloading is.

I am not sure if uTP from uTorrent is still good, but at least it let me hide what i downloaded and that i was torrenting from my ISP. The ISP had deep packet inspection and used that to determine the download speed, effectively the ISP was throttling torrents, legitimate ones or not.

[mallard]

It's okay, I'm wearing my tinfoil hat.

[spazzdla]

Create your wallets on an OFFLINE computer!!!

[spazzdla]

It's okay, I'm wearing my tinfoil hat.

Remeber this when you wake up an you find your wallet empty.