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August 10, 2015, 02:48:44 AM
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Did you know that at the end of 2014 there were almost 600,000 Americans found to be living in China  according to a recent a Chinese survey.

Some are taking jobs in the booming economy, some are there for the incredible education opportunities and some are even retiring to China. Whatever the reason, each year China is seeing a growing amount of Americans moving in. This year the country began issuing Visas lasting for 10 years to Americans - previously the Visas lasted only one month. As a result, the United States embassy is offering tourist-level Visas for 10 years to people coming over from China. With the increase of the wealthy in China, however, the chance of someone from China staying longer than 10 years is unlikely. Experts say that China now offers a higher number of opportunities than the United States, meaning people from China no longer visit America for economic relief. The United States was once a land of hope for the impoverished of China, but in the last 10 years, China has restructured its economy and moved 600 million of its residents from being destitute to middle-class.

This is great news for natives of China, but how does that translate to so many Americans moving there?

Economic Stability:
“China is transforming into a world super power, not using military force, but instead by using financial prominence.” Economic expert David Reagon says, “China is closing deals all across the globe involving commodities, rare metals and even long standing contracts for resources, natural and otherwise.”

In contrast, U.S. policy assists other countries financially as settlement for support on matters as the war on drugs and international terror. The U.S. policy relies on a hopeful monetary trickle down, meaning the wealth will hopefully get to those who actually need it. Success isn't always guaranteed however. China proves that they mean business by building infrastructures that will be beneficial to the entire region's population. These include hospitals, roads, shipping facilities and many other beneficial additions – all without prompting. Jamaica sports a beautiful convention center built a few years ago by China, all in exchange for business relationship that will be secured for 25 years between Jamaica's sugar production industry and themselves. Even Africa is seeing the benefits of working alongside China for the past ten years. By helping other countries China is only ensuring it will have any natural resources they need for years to come.

The U.S. is giving China support in the project known as the Keystone Pipeline, a project that will begin bringing cheaper oil from Canada to Texas ports. China holds contracts for the steel pipe required for the project, once it's completed they would receive the majority of the oil. Normally tankers bringing expensive oil into the U.S. return empty, but using the up and coming Keystone Pipeline, these tankers will bring Canadian oil into China. Given that China holds the dominating interest for Canada's tar sands project, they get final say in who receives the oil, with the U.S. being the only current buyers. Of course this would no longer be the case if China were able to transport oil to its own port.

Not long ago China and Russia agreed on a long-term contract for oil and natural gas, the oil would be coming from Russia's own pipelines. China is clearly making it priority to have long lasting natural resource stores for its people. With ample supplies of natural resources, no debt or ongoing wars, it's not hard to see why China's economy is so strong.

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The editor of Escaping America - David Goodwin - stated, “China's transit network is astoundingly effective. I don't see any reason to purchase a car. I get around locally by the metro system and I get between cities with bullet trains. This all costs around 90% less if I were to own a vehicle. As of now China has more than 1,500 bullet trains; the U.S. currently has none. The price of riding a bullet train is lower than a lunch in the U.S.

“Airlines are low-cost as well, flights can be as low as $50 and "up to" $200 for a flight across China. All with just a single day of booking. There's also zero fees for baggage. Large cities have easy to use metro systems that are simple to navigate for Americans with English announcements and signs, as well as helpful digital displays.

“If you need a taxi, they're just one click away. Plus, they're government-regulated with meters. Most taxis are cheap, costing a few bucks per ride; an hour ride usually totals around $25.

“Also, I've hardly seen any crime. Launching a business in China is easy, and the Chinese government makes transferring funds to the country simple. You always read that China is pure communism, but from my experiences, it feels like capitalism on steroids.

“The one thing I dislike is Chinese housing. Here it is tiny compared to the U.S. However, the Chinese people seldom spend time in their homes. Plus, in China I can  stay in nice  4 stare hotels with breakfast for far lest then renting a place in the US.  On upside of tiny homes, though, is less impact on the environment.”

Family and Lifestyle:
“China offers such a wide range on things to do that I rarely feel bored.” Goodwin explains, “It has anything you can think of, and all of it at a percentile of the U.S. price. Ranging from shopping to a night on the town, China is simply the best. Most of the country is modern, almost all of it is well-planned and carefully thought out. It's also convenient - trains, airports and the overall city layout are all super convenient.

“The entire time I stayed in China, I never saw policemen carrying guns. Think on this for a second: Policemen who feel safe enough that they feel no need to carry firearms.

“Another big thing you will experience when you get to China is food diversity. You will find amazing dining spots from every national cuisine almost anywhere you visit. The food prices are much lower than in the state too. You can happily go out to eat daily on a tight budget, and you don't have to pay for tips or taxes. Also, the food quality really shines. China's government has high standards as to ingredients that they allow and don't allow as food additives. Most hormones, chemicals and genetically modified ingredients are banned in China. What's more? Chefs are still in charge of the food. By comparison, the U.S. allows scientists to make most of its food. General Mills, for example -- which is among the most prominent food suppliers in the states -- has thousands of scientists on the payroll, but hardly any chefs. As a result, China has much better nutrition habits. You can see it instantly on a stroll down any street. You will rarely see anyone overweight. For America,  well I don't  think any more need s to be said”

An Overseas Business Consultant, Kenneth Agee, working for a U.S./China dating company known as A Foreign Affair states “In the last 10 years, the market for Chinese customers has really expanded. We have over 20 Chinese offices now. We've also witnessed a huge change over those 10 years. When it began, the customer base was all women from China trying to marry men from America and move over to the states with them. These days, almost half of the Chinese women seeking marriage are looking to move their new husbands to China. The American men we talk about this with are reluctant off the bat, but upon experiencing China, they stand amazed. Additionally, they're amazed with how many Chinese women can take care of their new husbands financially.”

A Foreign Affair hosts a monthly event that flies U.S. men to China so they can meet women in the country. Hundreds of Chinese women seeking husbands are attracted to these events and the women have even coined the term "Mail Order Grooms" to describe these men.

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Being a super power in the world's economic state still doesn't satisfy China. Now their sights are set on becoming a super power in the world's intellectual state. Last month CNN released a special report that predicted China enrolling more than three-quarters of the nation's toddlers in preschool. In contrast, U.S. has less than a quarter of its preschool-aged children enrolled.

In 2015, more than 9.4 million Chinese students took what is basically the Chinese SAT test. Every single testing facility took countermeasures against cheating by using facial recognition-capable film surveillance. They even installed specialty materials to the windows and walls that blocked all electronic signal. Why are they so adamant about cheating? China believes that test scores alone should be the only thing universities consider when they decide who gets in - not monetary status or or familial ties. To make it better, getting into a university for a year in China - of which there are now over 4,000 - costs an average of $1,500. The U.S., by comparison, charges up to $45,000 for the same privilege.

While China commits large quantities of resources to education, Doug Ducey - Arizona Governor - is cutting funding for education to a record-breaking low. America is already ranked 38th in world in education. Arizona is now the "proud" owner of the 50th rank in the U.S. education. So why don't politicians and those who financially support them do something about the quality public education? Simple, they don't send their children to get Arizona public schools or to State Universities. Seth McFarlane's latest comedy blockbuster, TED2 even takes jabs at Arizona's dismal education system. These ridiculous spending cuts were made as a counterbalance because the government issued the wealthy a one-billion dollar tax-cut the previous year. This, in turn, has forced thousands of teachers to leave education this year alone. An Arizona teacher - Linda Collins - stated: “Arizona teachers and Arizona education in general receive no government support. It's that simple.”

An ironic fact: corporations that benefited from, and pushed for, the tax cuts that resulted in education funding cuts, went on to apply for over 75,000 work Visas. Their argument for this action is that somehow America doesn't provide the skilled labor they need. Another fun fact: The majority of those work Visas are from China and other Asiatic countries.

Environment:
China's previous issues with pollution is seeing great success in getting it under control. Many cities now have taxis and buses that operate on natural gas alone. Even their motorcycles are mostly electric. In addition to the the air pollution being reduced, the noise pollution is going down too.

Last year China saw over half of its new energy be supplied by renewable sources. Within the same time frame, over 2.5 billion trees were planted by over 560 million Chinese people over the whole country. In the 1982 to 2003 period,  Chinese volunteers planted more than 42 billion trees. Volunteer-planted trees now span more than 46 million hectares, which is about 113 million acres (176,000  sq miles). That's enough to rank China first in the world for human-planted trees.

Over in the U.S., many  leaders of the country are still  arguing about whether global climate change is just fiction.

Healthcare:
Back in 2008, the political leaders in China decided that the country needed major changes for medical insurance and how it's delivered to ensure social stability and a better healthcare system. China has since officially abandoned their healthcare system, which was based on market principles. This fourth and ongoing phase of China's healthcare evolution is dedicated to delivering cost-effective health coverage for all Chinese residents by the year 2020. It's estimated that, by 2020, almost 100% of the population will have comprehensive, if modest, health care coverage from government-subsidized insurance.

China had more than 9,800 privately-owned hospitals as of 2013. This gives people choices between public and private medical attention. The competition that resulted has maintained low cost and high-quality healthcare. To compare, the states has 5,686 private and public hospitals. Period. For most people in China, they only have to travel just minutes from home to access quality, low-cost healthcare. David Goodwin states, "Healthcare is so affordable that I don't even need health insurance to afford to use a private hospital"
 
Conclusion:

As China continues to grow many Americans  are seeing the great opportunities and  higher standard of living Asia, the  influx  Americans is  expected grow over the next few decades as more Americans call China home.
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August 10, 2015, 03:50:18 AM
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China is transforming into a world super power, not using military force, but instead by using financial prominence.

Yeah, sure, I am pretty sure Taiwan loves the mainland... not to mention Hong Kong (the recent riots were probably an isolated act).

The big firewall is enough to keep my interest out of China (ok, I could not even afford to travel there, but if I were given the oportunity, I would say no). 600k is not really a big number... how many Chineses are there in the US? (and, in general, abroad).

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August 10, 2015, 04:54:30 AM
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Conclusion:

As China continues to grow many Americans  are seeing the great opportunities and  higher standard of living Asia, the  influx  Americans is  expected grow over the next few decades as more Americans call China home.

Next time you should start with your conclusion, if we agree we can agree. If we need more information we can dive into your detail to see if we understand your logic, support, etc.

Your conclusion is a valid hypothesis but I didn't see (in the quick scan I did) facts to indicate that this is actually happening. 600,000 Americans living in a country with a Billion people is insignificant. More importantly, you didn't provide any growth rate did you? Or something that could imply there is a recent spike in Americans immigrating to China?

Finally, the stats you provided are great for China! And they would/could attract people from anywhere in the world - what makes you believe that American's would be more likely than anyone else to flock to the opportunity that exists in China now?

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August 10, 2015, 05:20:03 AM
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China's government has high standards as to ingredients that they allow and don't allow as food additives.

Poisoned infant's formula. Unlabeled Viagra in health drinks. The above statement is delusional. The government can't enforce such standards.

In 2015, more than 9.4 million Chinese students took what is basically the Chinese SAT test. Every single testing facility took countermeasures against cheating by using facial recognition-capable film surveillance. They even installed specialty materials to the windows and walls that blocked all electronic signal. Why are they so adamant about cheating? China believes that test scores alone should be the only thing universities consider when they decide who gets in - not monetary status or or familial ties.

Totalitarian police state is your idea of safety, freedom, and innovation  Roll Eyes

The problem with China's education system is they are too much focused on test scores and not enough focused on critical and divergent thinking. Robotics slaves is what the Communist party wants indoctrinated.

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August 10, 2015, 12:27:21 PM
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China's government has high standards as to ingredients that they allow and don't allow as food additives.

Poisoned infant's formula. Unlabeled Viagra in health drinks. The above statement is delusional. The government can't enforce such standards.

I'd rather expect some oral contraceptives added to their drinks, given their birth control policies. Regarding "poisoned infant's formula" I guess you are referencing baby's milk faked with melamine here? Citing Wikipedia on the outcome of the criminal prosecution conducted by the Chinese government:

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Two people were executed, one given a suspended death penalty, three people receiving life imprisonment, two receiving 15-year jail terms, and seven local government officials, as well as the Director of the Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine (AQSIQ), being fired or forced to resign
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August 10, 2015, 12:33:33 PM
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I guess the only people going there are established businessmen trying to take advantage of the low rates on Hong Kong to start and move businesses, other than that I dont understand why an American would move to China when everything about it is obviously worse.
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August 10, 2015, 02:13:18 PM
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China is very poor country, in farm jobs an average salary is around 30 USD per month.  Wink In factories manufacturing equipment is very old etc. But of course China is very large country.  Grin
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China is very wealthy, they pretty much own the US. Lending them money to cover they debt. However now that China's economy is declining, I guess they will want their interest rates and part of their money back. Good luck living in China, wondering how it will play out.

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August 10, 2015, 03:10:36 PM
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China is very wealthy, they pretty much own the US. Lending them money to cover they debt. However now that China's economy is declining, I guess they will want their interest rates and part of their money back. Good luck living in China, wondering how it will play out.

Macro economics may be good but micro are crap. People's life quality is shit compared to the average American. Not to mention the horrible air quality in the man cities and spreading around there as well.
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August 11, 2015, 12:21:38 AM
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Do you have a link to back up your claim of 600,000 Americans living in China? That sounds a bit high. I would also like to know how many of them are Caucasian. I know from experience that when you're a white guy in China, you may speak some Chinese (I don't), but everybody will see you as a foreigner.

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Do you have a link to back up your claim of 600,000 Americans living in China? That sounds a bit high. I would also like to know how many of them are Caucasian. I know from experience that when you're a white guy in China, you may speak some Chinese (I don't), but everybody will see you as a foreigner.

I dont think there is a valid article or source of metric unless its like from a reputable third party source site like baidu in china to show the op`s #`s.

But, its pretty crazy that the land of opportunity is now reverse where I see more of my friends wanting to go china to start factories since wages are so cheap.

And the difference is that most of my friends are chinese americans.

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China is very poor country, in farm jobs an average salary is around 30 USD per month.  Wink In factories manufacturing equipment is very old etc. But of course China is very large country.  Grin

They have more growing middle class, so its not really becoming a poor country in the long run.

Most chinese families are bidding on auction sites to have a drivers license to pick up a car. And they end up buying a house in america on the midwest thats cheap to just move all entirely based on what they saved up.

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Do you have a link to back up your claim of 600,000 Americans living in China? That sounds a bit high. I would also like to know how many of them are Caucasian. I know from experience that when you're a white guy in China, you may speak some Chinese (I don't), but everybody will see you as a foreigner.

I dont think there is a valid article or source of metric unless its like from a reputable third party source site like baidu in china to show the op`s #`s.

But, its pretty crazy that the land of opportunity is now reverse where I see more of my friends wanting to go china to start factories since wages are so cheap.

And the difference is that most of my friends are chinese americans.

So why do you believe this number, if there's no hard data to back it up? There's plenty of bureaucracy in China. The government knows exactly how many foreigners have work visas, and most Americans abroad are registered at the local embassy, so the US knows it as well.

Regarding your friends who want to start factories, there's no need for this. There are plenty of existing factories already, better buy their products and letting them handle all the worries of manufacturing.

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Do you have a link to back up your claim of 600,000 Americans living in China? That sounds a bit high. I would also like to know how many of them are Caucasian. I know from experience that when you're a white guy in China, you may speak some Chinese (I don't), but everybody will see you as a foreigner.
it doesnt seem all that impossible, there are over 1.3 billion people in china. its not impossible to think that 0.04% of the chinese population are american immigrants.
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I know the Chinese state is now being developed itself into a superpower, but what this is a little bit exaggerated explanation even sounded like he was promoting
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August 12, 2015, 04:45:17 AM
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They're all 20-30yr old English teachers  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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They're all 20-30yr old English teachers  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

This is really true. Alot of westerner's find it hard to be 'somebody' in their own country, but they're instantly elevated when they goto China.

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August 12, 2015, 07:35:14 AM
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And there's 3.8 million chinese in America

Supposedly there was only 100k Americans in China in 2010.  I'm not sure if I can trust the 600k figure.

Also I wonder how many of the Americans living in China are chinese.
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While it is a little dated, 2013, this article suggests the number is a lot lower, only 1,202 foreigners total getting a Chinese "green card" equivalent that year.  Though there are 622,000 total immigrants in China with that credential.  Maybe that is the source of the OP's title.   As others have noted, most of them are of Chinese descent.

The US issues about a million green cards per year and has an estimated undocumented population of about twelve million, about evenly split between Central & South American countries and the rest of the world.

I think many Central and South American countries could be attractive places for US retirees.  While China has attracted some high profile immigrants from the US, e.g. investor Jim Rogers, I liked the comment about most of them being English teachers.
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What about expatriation of funds? Is it easy for foreigners?
That would be a concern for anybody wanting to move to China for the short-term.
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