Counter Announcement to The Bitcoin Foundation

[acoindr]

I need to write this up, but this should take care of the problem. Stay tuned. Coming likely tomorrow.

[Gavin Andresen]

No, no, no: to do it right, you "accidentally" slip a hint to a reporter a month before you launch....


(to the humor-impaired:      )

[acoindr]

No, no, no: to do it right, you "accidentally" slip a hint to a reporter a month before you launch....


(to the humor-impaired:      )

I think you're right. If you ever "lose it" with programming, you might consider PR.

[kwoody]

Announcements about announcements are bad, mmk?

[acoindr]

mkay. Just trying to ease people's mind over the pandemonium this has caused, mkay?

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

mkay. Just trying to ease people's mind over the pandemonium this has caused, mkay?

mkay 

fyi..saying "this should take care of the problem." without saying what this or the problem actually is.

If anything, you made people more nervous

Thats why Gavin was making fun of you.

[acoindr]

mkay. Just trying to ease people's mind over the pandemonium this has caused, mkay?

mkay  

fyi..saying "this should take care of the problem." without saying what this or the problem actually is.

If anything, you made people more nervous

Thats why Gavin was making fun of you.

The problem is the uproar caused with the launch of a "Bitcoin Foundation" - a move toward centralization of something supposed to be decentralized. (See 50 plus pages here)

And Gavin isn't making fun he's having fun

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

mkay. Just trying to ease people's mind over the pandemonium this has caused, mkay?

mkay  

fyi..saying "this should take care of the problem." without saying what this or the problem actually is.

If anything, you made people more nervous

Thats why Gavin was making fun of you.

The problem is the uproar caused with the launch of a "Bitcoin Foundation" - a move toward centralization of something supposed to be decentralized. (See 50 plus pages here)

Yup, I've been reading and responded at least 2-3 times on every page, so that means 150+ responses just in that thread.

I would not say its an uproar, its more like Atlas and a few haters. You will agree once you see the amount of members and donations.

Some people like Hazek actually bring up good points with certain issues in the foundation we need to work out and fix.

The haters are trollers say "ahhh foundation centralization ahh" when the smart people actually have good points and want to make it better.

So basically, your creating an announcement to ease the nervousness of the trollers...

[giszmo]

TBF has far more noise around it than it deserves from both sides. Please stay in your thread or have your own sub forum.
I really had enough announcements and talking for a bitcoin-year now. When is bitcoincard coming? When is bitcoinwireless coming? When will my hair-dresser accept bitcoin? I don't care about announcements of announcements about committees dedicated to the discussion of designing foundations or not. Just do it.

[acoindr]

Yup, I've been reading and responded at least 2-3 times on every page, so that means 150+ responses just in that thread.

I would not say its an uproar, its more like Atlas and a few haters. You will agree once you see the amount of members and donations.

Some people like Hazek actually bring up good points with certain issues in the foundation we need to work out and fix.

The haters are trollers say "ahhh foundation centralization ahh" when the smart people actually have good points and want to make it better.

So basically, your creating an announcement to ease the nervousness of the trollers...

You may have been reading, but perhaps not hearing? It's not "haters". What is there to hate upon? Everyone that would be reading this forum would likely want Bitcoin's success, so why oppose something supposedly working in that direction? It's because of actual concern, not trolling. Even you yourself said you agree with hazek about cause for concern, so I'm not really sure how we're not connecting:

Ah, the crux of the issue remains. I fear down the road this self imposed spokesperson, policy setting, business vetting, intertwined with corporate interest body will get corrupted and try and direct the for the most part ignorant user base to their advantage while you on the other hand have faith the community will be smart and vigilant enough to keep you in check.

Well then as long as the general electorate is the one of which we must now expect vigilance, I'm all calmed down and happy, especially since this works out so well in today's political systems. /this last part was a bit of sarcasm, not mean spirited of course, just for illustrating purposes

Why we needed this foot in the door for bad stuff to be possible to happen I will never understand.

No no, don't be sarcastic, because I agree with you.

(It only took us 38 pages to see each others points lol, partly my fault)

Of course this is a total real fear, one I have myself. You said it perfectly "self imposed spokesperson, policy setting, business vetting, intertwined with corporate interest body will get corrupted and try and direct the for the most part ignorant user base to their advantage"

This is totally a real threat, and a very scary one indeed. If this is what you were getting at, Im sorry for not seeing it earlier.

So basically, how do we protect the foundation from something like this?

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[Yankee (BitInstant)]

TBF has far more noise around it than it deserves from both sides. Please stay in your thread or have your own sub forum.
I really had enough announcements and talking for a bitcoin-year now. When is bitcoincard coming? When is bitcoinwireless coming? When will my hair-dresser accept bitcoin? I don't care about announcements of announcements about committees dedicated to the discussion of designing foundations or not. Just do it.

We just added instant banking transfers from 27 new countries on BitInstant.com

UK, Poland, South America, ect..

No announcement yet because testing

Feel free to give it a try  

You may have been reading, but perhaps not hearing? It's not "haters". What is there to hate upon? Everyone that would be reading this forum would likely want Bitcoin's success, so why oppose something supposedly working in that direction? It's because of actual concern, not trolling. Even you yourself said you agree with hazek about cause for concern, so I'm not really sure how we're not connecting:

Sure, but no one knows what your announcement is so the connecting will happen there  

Sub'd and eager!

[giszmo]

TBF has far more noise around it than it deserves from both sides. Please stay in your thread or have your own sub forum.
I really had enough announcements and talking for a bitcoin-year now. When is bitcoincard coming? When is bitcoinwireless coming? When will my hair-dresser accept bitcoin? I don't care about announcements of announcements about committees dedicated to the discussion of designing foundations or not. Just do it.

We just added instant banking transfers from 27 new countries on BitInstant.com

UK, Poland, South America, ect..

No announcement yet because testing

Feel free to give it a try  

I would if Chile was on the list.

[greyhawk]

Is this the big October announcement?

[The_Duke]

No, no, no: to do it right, you "accidentally" slip a hint to a reporter a month before you launch....


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+1

[IIOII]

Yup, I've been reading and responded at least 2-3 times on every page, so that means 150+ responses just in that thread.

I would not say its an uproar, its more like Atlas and a few haters. You will agree once you see the amount of members and donations.

Some people like Hazek actually bring up good points with certain issues in the foundation we need to work out and fix.

The haters are trollers say "ahhh foundation centralization ahh" when the smart people actually have good points and want to make it better.

So basically, your creating an announcement to ease the nervousness of the trollers...

As an official TBF hater and troller who just can utter a mere "ahhh foundation centralization ahh", I just wanted to add some art to this thread:

[URSAY]

I don't think everyone questioning this is a troll.

I've met Charlie and Gavin both in person. 

Gavin gave me his card but when I emailed him regarding a huge project that would help Bitcoin I got no response.

Charlie's "open offices" are not as open as he always mentions.  I had tried to meet with him recently regarding this pro Bitcoin project and the offices were always too busy.  I believe I tried meeting with him in person for about a week before I gave up.

MTGOX?  Used them before.  They leaked my info and wanted more.  I know better then to get GOXXXED.

Who helped me with this pro Bitcoin project?  BitPay was super friendly and available.

I'm a reasonable guy.  I'm not sure where the hesitation comes from with Charlie and Gavin but it's enough to have me wondering about their motives.  My project was very well funded (in the millions) and would of helped Bitcoin grow...there was no money in it for me but maybe some money for BitInstant.

Additionally, so I don't come come off like a total prick... haha...

I'd like to add that I'm very thankful for Gavin's work on the Bitcoin project and BitInstant is a great service that I enjoy very much.  Perhaps this is all a misunderstanding.

[davout]

I feel really neutral about this foundation. Good for Gavin if it pays him a salary.
As far as I'm concerned it's definitely not the face of Bitcoin or whatever, Bitcoin never had and never will have a face.

I'm personnally not criticizing this venture, grown-ups make the corporations they want after all, with the goals they want to pursue and aren't accountable to this community. On the other hand I'd appreciate this being treated as it should, a service announcement, not something that's going to bring "great stability to Bitcoin". I find it a little weird that one day Gavin wants to be demoted from his global mod position, and the next one he yells at hazek for wanting to move the TBF thread into service announcements.

Still, I wish the foundation, and Gavin personnally, good luck and much success!

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

I don't think everyone questioning this is a troll.

Charlie's "open offices" are not as open as he always mentions.  I had tried to meet with him recently regarding this pro Bitcoin project and the offices were always too busy.  I believe I tried meeting with him in person for about a week before I gave up.

This is simply not true.

Forgive us if you try to come during meetings, ect.. but we also have a business to run.

However, people are here all day and just show up, everyone is always invited.

If you wanted to stop in, just do the same, or email rachel@bitinstant.com to do so.
Your claim is inconsistant with what you said, and simply does not make sense.

PM me directly because I have no idea who you are.

-Charlie

[giszmo]

I find it a little weird that one day Gavin wants to be demoted from his global mod position, and the next one he yells at hazek for wanting to move the TBF thread into service announcements.

Link? All the TBF-stuff went TLDR too fast.
Moving TBF to service announcement sounds like a good step to calm the waves a bit although I understand it hurts each and every service provider to see his baby being moved out of the spot light. instawallet for example was granted that prestigious spot forever while others get moved quickly.

I suggested before to have some consistent rule for that and maybe this case makes my suggestion clearer. Lets move all service announcements to that forum after a predefined time please. My suggestion would be two weeks.

[proudhon]

Stand back everyone, I've got this one: