I ran Bitcoin Core for >3 years, and I turned it off today

[jl2012]

Bitcoin XT sounds more like Crypto-Paypal than anything else.


~BCX~

please define Crypto-Paypal

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[smoothie]

i think this is a turning point.

yes quote me on this.

The losses of nodes over the past 2 months  (from the previous ATH) have been gained back and then some in 3 days time.

Like technical analysis on markets this too is in a sense, a market.

ATH is a clear sign of things to come.

I'll be switching over today as well.

This is a turning point.  The point where XT officially became a laughingstock.   

After so much chaos and drama, you have a mighty 3% of the nodes to show for it?

Team XT lost the technical debate, and there is zero propensity for XT gaining an economic majority.

Plus, we now have this handy Domination Post from thermos:

Activating a hardfork based on what miners do is really bad. You could easily have a situation where 75% of miners support XT but none of the big Bitcoin exchanges or businesses do. Then miners would start mining coins that they couldn't spend anywhere useful, and SPV users would find that they can't transact with the businesses they want to deal with. The currency would be split, and in this case XT would be in a far weaker position than Bitcoin. The possibility of this sort of network/currency split is what makes XT not a "legitimate hardfork", but rather the programmed creation of an altcoin. A consensus hardfork can only go forward once it has been determined that it's nearly impossible for the Bitcoin economy to split in any significant way. Not every Bitcoin user on Earth has to agree, but enough that there won't be a noticeable split.

Bitcoin is not ruled by miners. In a hardfork, miners barely matter at all. (Softforks are different.) What's important is what the economy does.

Face it old buddy, XT got rekt like Stannis at Winterfell.   

Now, when can I order my 1000 XMR 1oz Platinum Lealana?  Do you want Cryptonic to eat your lunch?   

"1. First they ignore you
2. then they laugh at you
3. then they fight you, then you win."

At what point are we at? 1, 2, or 3?

 

[RoadTrain]

"1. First they ignore you
2. then they laugh at you
3. then they fight you, then you win."

At what point are we at? 1, 2, or 3?

 

I think a version by ElectricMucus fits better:

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they keep laughing, then they start choking on their laughter, and then they go and catch their breath. Then they start laughing even more.

[smoothie]

"1. First they ignore you
2. then they laugh at you
3. then they fight you, then you win."

At what point are we at? 1, 2, or 3?

 

I think a version by ElectricMucus fits better:

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they keep laughing, then they start choking on their laughter, and then they go and catch their breath. Then they start laughing even more.

Not much credibility behind that quote. lol I wasn't quoting a forum user. 

[BitUsher]

We should be happy to see more nodes running core, xt, Obelisk, ect...A diversity of implementations makes for a healthy environment.

[meono]

Bitcoin XT sounds more like Crypto-Paypal than anything else.


~BCX~

Let me quote this so we can all laugh at what a dumb ass you are

[iCEBREAKER]

I'll be switching over today as well.

I can't wait to buy some of your shiny physical litecoins using XTcoins, while my BTC stay untouched.

You will be sticking your neck out and immediately accepting XTcoins, to demonstrate the power of XT's economic majority, right?

 

[meono]

I'll be switching over today as well.

I can't wait to buy some of your shiny physical litecoins using XTcoins, while my BTC stay untouched.

You will be sticking your neck out and immediately accepting XTcoins, to demonstrate the power of XT's economic majority, right?

 

No you can just ship him his HashFast unicorn that you've been shilling for years.

Piece of shit.

[iCEBREAKER]

I'll be switching over today as well.

I can't wait to buy some of your shiny physical litecoins using XTcoins, while my BTC stay untouched.

You will be sticking your neck out and immediately accepting XTcoins, to demonstrate the power of XT's economic majority, right?

 

[ Buttburn ]

XT is just another stupid altcoin, and is getting deservedly #rekt.

Sorry if that burns your butt.  Actually no, I'm glad you are upset.

Cry moar, please.   

[meono]

I'll be switching over today as well.

I can't wait to buy some of your shiny physical litecoins using XTcoins, while my BTC stay untouched.

You will be sticking your neck out and immediately accepting XTcoins, to demonstrate the power of XT's economic majority, right?

 

[ Buttburn ]

XT is just another stupid altcoin, and is getting deservedly #rekt.

Sorry if that burns your butt.  Actually no, I'm glad you are upset.

Cry moar, please.   

why would i be upset? I'm not the one dealing with guilt. Unless you're a heartless piece of shit, you cant possibly sleep well at night after that HashFast fraud.

[iCEBREAKER]

why would i be upset? I'm not the one dealing with guilt. Unless you're a heartless piece of shit, you cant possibly sleep well at night after that HashFast fraud.

You are obviously upset because XT is just another stupid altcoin, and is getting deservedly #rekt.

A company which committed fraud would not be allowed to reorganize under Chapter 11 bankruptcy.  Duh!

If you want to report imaginary crimes, tell the judge about it.  He might GAF about your whining but I don't.   

[DooMAD]

After so much chaos and drama, you have a mighty 3% of the nodes to show for it?

Even the supporters of larger blocks weren't expecting to see mass adoption of XT overnight, so I don't see why someone as vehemently opposed to them as yourself was expecting it to happen even faster.  The link for the latest release that actually supports larger blocks was only put up on the xtnodes website on the 10th.  It's been three days.  I (just about) credit you with enough intelligence to know that this is going to go on for a little longer than that before we have a clear outcome.  Troll harder.

If you're in that much of a hurry to declare the contest over, people are just going to wonder what you're so afraid of.  No one can say with any certainty whether this will go on for weeks, or even months.  All we know for certain is that it's going to be interesting.

Also, it's not an altcoin.  Again, troll harder.

[Lauda]

Even the supporters of larger blocks weren't expecting to see mass adoption of XT overnight, so I don't see why someone as vehemently opposed to them as yourself was expecting it to happen even faster.  The link for the latest release that actually supports larger blocks was only put up on the xtnodes website on the 10th.  It's been three days.  I (just about) credit you with enough intelligence -snip.
Also, it's not an altcoin.  Again, troll harder.

Well the situation is not as simple as it seems. There are a lot of people who are supporting larger blocks (including me) but who are completely against XT. Sorry but you are wrong this time, it is an altcoin. Just because it was started by Mike and Gavin does not give XT some special treatment.

The possibility of this sort of network/currency split is what makes XT not a "legitimate hardfork", but rather the programmed creation of an altcoin. A consensus hardfork can only go forward once it has been determined that it's nearly impossible for the Bitcoin economy to split in any significant way. N

However this probably isn't going to happen as Mike, seemingly likes the idea of dictatorship (as said on a podcast), is going to push the fork without proper consensus (his words). Unless the proper consensus rules of the past are kept, it will never be nothing more than an altcoin.

[Denker]

It's a pitty what had happen to this community.
Right now what we're doing is self defeating. I support bigger blocks as well. How we achieve that I don't know. My wish would be we could continue to use Bitcon core for that. But that seems to be very unlikely.
I just know that I am completely agains the 1MB cap and this whole Blockstream shit.

And while we continue to throw mud each other these guys are laughing.

[kelsey]

It's a pitty what had happen to this community.
Right now what we're doing is self defeating. I support bigger blocks as well. How we achieve that I don't know. My wish would be we could continue to use Bitcon core for that. But that seems to be very unlikely.
I just know that I am completely agains the 1MB cap and this whole Blockstream shit.

And while we continue to throw mud each other these guys are laughing.

i think people here (especially Mike and Gavin) underestimate how much of a war this will become, and the end the war won't be about block size 

[meono]

It's a pitty what had happen to this community.
Right now what we're doing is self defeating. I support bigger blocks as well. How we achieve that I don't know. My wish would be we could continue to use Bitcon core for that. But that seems to be very unlikely.
I just know that I am completely agains the 1MB cap and this whole Blockstream shit.

And while we continue to throw mud each other these guys are laughing.

Exactly how i feel. Bitcoin Core think they can decide what we want.

Well if we have a choice (XT) they will censor us?

I'm in support of bigger block. Like it or not its inevitable.

[Amph]

I'll be switching over today as well.

I can't wait to buy some of your shiny physical litecoins using XTcoins, while my BTC stay untouched.

You will be sticking your neck out and immediately accepting XTcoins, to demonstrate the power of XT's economic majority, right?

 

[ Buttburn ]

XT is just another stupid altcoin, and is getting deservedly #rekt.

Sorry if that burns your butt.  Actually no, I'm glad you are upset.

Cry moar, please.   

if it was called bitcoin 0.12 instead of XT would you have been against it? isn't the only relevant difference the block increase? which could be implemented directly in bitcoin core and preventing all these fuss about core vs xt?

[DooMAD]

Even the supporters of larger blocks weren't expecting to see mass adoption of XT overnight, so I don't see why someone as vehemently opposed to them as yourself was expecting it to happen even faster.  The link for the latest release that actually supports larger blocks was only put up on the xtnodes website on the 10th.  It's been three days.  I (just about) credit you with enough intelligence -snip.
Also, it's not an altcoin.  Again, troll harder.

Well the situation is not as simple as it seems. There are a lot of people who are supporting larger blocks (including me) but who are completely against XT. Sorry but you are wrong this time, it is an altcoin. Just because it was started by Mike and Gavin does not give XT some special treatment.

It has nothing to do with "special treatment".  If a fork occurred without consensus, only then does it become an altcoin.  If it either achieves consensus or the fork doesn't happen, it's still Bitcoin.  The fork hasn't happened yet, so it is still Bitcoin.  XT sends and receives bitcoin transactions using the Bitcoin blockchain.  It is an alternative client, not an alternative coin.  Stop spreading misinformation.

[redsn0w]

At the moment bitcoinXT is not an altcoin, it uses the same network and coin of bitcoin core, electrum, multibit, greenAddress, etc...  it is only another bitcoin client (that support bigger sized blocks).

[Lauda]

It has nothing to do with "special treatment".  If a fork occurred without consensus, only then does it become an altcoin.  If it either achieves consensus or the fork doesn't happen, it's still Bitcoin.  The fork hasn't happened yet, so it is still Bitcoin.  XT sends and receives bitcoin transactions using the Bitcoin blockchain.  It is an alternative client, not an alternative coin.  Stop spreading misinformation.

It is not misinformation because those are Hearns intention. He stated that in the worst case scenario checkpoints will be implemented to ignore the longest chain. In other words, consensus is not necessary for the fork to happen according to him. I'd rather people be aware of his intentions on time.
That alternative client needs to die.