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August 17, 2015, 11:31:40 AM
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They must have them on a different rotation somehow, the rapist is still listed in that group of 'satisfied investors' when I load it up.

Quite likely, there are various different addresses which are run by MLMer's high up the food chain, you'll see at the bottom of the page which member is "sponsoring" the version you are looking at. On this page he's vanished completely, (only three dots representing "Members who love us")
One huge red flag for anyone undecided is that you cannot sign up for the BitClub Network without a referral, just as a customer off the street, so to speak.
You MUST use a referral page, otherwise you get this:-



Think about that.
If you've read that absurdly complicated page of their referral commission structure, you won't be surprised to learn that over 30% of all new 'investment' goes solely on maintaining the referral payments.
https://bitclubnetwork.com/compensation.html

Q: Why would a legitimate company only take investments through third parties at a cost of 30+% commission, rather than allow direct investment and receive 100% of the money?
A: They wouldn't.

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BitClub Network claims 1% of the entire Bitcoin mining capacity.

BitClub Network are promising 1000% increase in value of their 'memberships' within six months.

BitClub Network are promising Bitcoin networked ATM's and Bitcoin debit cards.

Wow Great, you say, a real professional cloud mining operation at last!
Then you read about the $99 'membership' fee.
Then you see the 1000 day roi.
Then you read about their "cutting edge referral based pay plan".
Then you read about Clubcoin, their PoS marvellous innovation, coming soon.

It's all here, have a read

https://bitclubnetwork.com/compensation.html

http://behindmlm.com/companies/bitclub-network-review-zeek-ponzi-veterans-at-it-again/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762075.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1128258.0

http://behindmlm.com/companies/bitclub-network-out-of-funds-clubcoin-announced/

Wow, lots of reading, you say, gimme the tl:dr.
OK, let's start at the beginning, their website. Take any one of the many many addresses they use, they all lead to this

http://bitclub.io/mining/mining



That's what we like to see, full of information and testimonials from real life customers!
Well, not much information, but look, real life customers!
There's Amy from Romania



Who could be Monica from Rome
http://jericko.net/index.php/monica
or just be a very pretty, Romanian bitcoin enthusiast who's looking for a boyfriend
http://dating-en-relatie.com/Romanian-women.html

Then there's Mike Jones from California



Who looks a bit like Mike Jones from Cape Town

https://plus.google.com/107168767283731452906/about

And the chap in the screenshot above, Victor Diaz from Chaco, Brazil according to BitClub.
They even quote him in Spanish (I thought Brazilians spoke Portuguese, but no matter)
"Thank you thank you thank you! BitClub has been very good for me. I really need passive income and gave himself for me BitClub"

The only problem is that Victor from Brazil, the Bitclub investor, is in fact, Ali Ansari a rapist from India.



I can recently remember at least three "cloudmining investments" companies who used fake pictures of clients or management in their publicity. They all protested that it was an innocent error by a third party. They all turned out to be liars and scammers.

This just the tip of the iceberg, much more to follow.....









They have removed that guys picture completely now, and the story too. It shows these people are nothing but a scam.
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August 19, 2015, 09:03:30 PM
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Cross posted from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1128258.0

"...send all the Bitcoin back to us and we will re-activate your account and pretend this didn't happen."

What legit business would say that to a client they accused of stealing 20BTC from them??



well, I was wrong the bastards are SCAMERS! Do not spend with them

for the past few days I have not have access to my Bitclub Network account so I send in a support e-mail.

Subject: HI unable to log in to my account

AND WAS ABLE TO LOG IN ON SATURDAY BUT NOW I CAN NOT.

I TRIED TO RESET MY PASSWORD BUT I GET THIS MESSAGE

Data entered is not valid.

PLEASE ADVISE,

****************

BitClub Network
Aug 17 (2 days ago)

to me
Your account has been disabled!

You will receive an additional email in the next few days with all the
details, but you will no longer have access to BitClub Network.

We have found clear evidence of you attempting to exploit our invoicing
system and your accounts have all been flagged. We strongly recommend you
return any stolen bitcoin that you took from your actions in creating
these invoices to avoid further action.

******************
Me:
What? All the bitcoin I used was purchased from my Circle Account that I have linked to my bank account. How could I have exploited your invoice system? I can show all transactions and prove that the Bitcoin used is not stolen. Please advise

*******************
BCN:
You were not paying with Bitcoin inside your wallet and this is the
problem, instead you were creating invoices with negative amounts and
using your credit wallet to pay for them. This was a bug that you
exploited and we have since fixed.

You probably found this by accident while trying to add credits to your
main account (lerdbaron). However, after this worked you proceeded to open
two additional accounts (tomass) and (hyepman) and have been creating fake
invoices over the past two days.

No reason to deny any of this because we can easily track the IP address
used to access each of these accounts back to you.

In total you have stolen 19.57 Bitcoin spread out over these 3 accounts
and we are 100% certain about this due to some very high end security
tracking that we have in place.

So, you have two choices...

You can either send all the Bitcoin back to us and we will re-activate
your account and pretend this didn't happen. We will keep a very close eye
on your activity but you will be given full access to your main account

Or two, you can deny this and your accounts will be terminated and we will
file a report to the authorities with the information we have to try and
collect the stolen Bitcoin. Thanks to the transparency of bitcoin there is
no denying this one.

So your choice... We hope you make the right one!

Send 19.57 Bitcoin to - 1E3cXemSthD5ykLTe7Lzj2VEqXkjkqiCxJ

Or your account will be terminated and we will begin the collection process.

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Me:
what are you talking about? I only have one account and only use lerdbaron. And have sent bitcoin using the same wallet, and have not taken the 19 btc you claim out. I was adding btc to my account to get up to $3500.00 and have enough for shares in all plans. So are you trying to steel my btc? If so I will have no choice but to report you to the Authorities in my state. Please restore my account or return my initial btc.

****************


BitClub Network
1:39 PM (22 hours ago)

to me
After further review your account is being terminated.

As you can see I was completely wrong about Bitclub Network I am 100% convinced that it is a SACAM!

Have sent an e-mail to the FBI Cyber Crimes division I don`t know how much if any btc I will be able to get back.

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August 20, 2015, 06:13:57 AM
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They must have them on a different rotation somehow, the rapist is still listed in that group of 'satisfied investors' when I load it up.

Quite likely, there are various different addresses which are run by MLMer's high up the food chain, you'll see at the bottom of the page which member is "sponsoring" the version you are looking at. On this page he's vanished completely, (only three dots representing "Members who love us")
One huge red flag for anyone undecided is that you cannot sign up for the BitClub Network without a referral, just as a customer off the street, so to speak.
You MUST use a referral page, otherwise you get this:-



Think about that.
If you've read that absurdly complicated page of their referral commission structure, you won't be surprised to learn that over 30% of all new 'investment' goes solely on maintaining the referral payments.
https://bitclubnetwork.com/compensation.html

Q: Why would a legitimate company only take investments through third parties at a cost of 30+% commission, rather than allow direct investment and receive 100% of the money?
A: They wouldn't.

the most funny thing is they're too dumb to use a decent translation software. the German used in the testimonial is broken to the bone.

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August 20, 2015, 03:35:14 PM
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They must have them on a different rotation somehow, the rapist is still listed in that group of 'satisfied investors' when I load it up.

Quite likely, there are various different addresses which are run by MLMer's high up the food chain, you'll see at the bottom of the page which member is "sponsoring" the version you are looking at. On this page he's vanished completely, (only three dots representing "Members who love us")
One huge red flag for anyone undecided is that you cannot sign up for the BitClub Network without a referral, just as a customer off the street, so to speak.
You MUST use a referral page, otherwise you get this:-



Think about that.
If you've read that absurdly complicated page of their referral commission structure, you won't be surprised to learn that over 30% of all new 'investment' goes solely on maintaining the referral payments.
https://bitclubnetwork.com/compensation.html

Q: Why would a legitimate company only take investments through third parties at a cost of 30+% commission, rather than allow direct investment and receive 100% of the money?
A: They wouldn't.

the most funny thing is they're too dumb to use a decent translation software. the German used in the testimonial is broken to the bone.

Scammers getting more sloppy <3
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August 20, 2015, 05:20:32 PM
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Meanwhile, BCN continue their attempt at global domination with another lie, this time with their mining pool




As I have circled, they use the word "Free" three times in respect of cost to miners of using their pool.
This is an outright falsehood, they keep the Tx fees that miners would normally receive for transactions Roll Eyes

Despite being asked a number of times to correct their advertising in this thread, they still continue to claim that it's "free" to mine with them.
But it's not.
Neither are there any details of how they'll pay miners for their work....Paycoin maybe?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1148668.0

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Have they given any response to this information yet?


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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August 22, 2015, 12:29:53 AM
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I doubt they will it should not take to long to post information unless it`s a SCAM!

Can anyone track this btc address down, give a general location?

1D4RC3FGNX3mx5RvNwBqHZtKiwog7a39Rj

1FDcTCX7azfHuYgtwoXAWkfQBrmubJgLQj

1JefaDwtSEr7RmA4dBdmZYJ5EAcKyD7a6Q

The scammers claim that I took btc using such address, I did not!


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Most of the blocks discovered by this pool are fake, only 5 are actually blocks they have discovered.
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Most of the blocks discovered by this pool are fake, only 5 are actually blocks they have discovered.

What do you mean "fake?" Like they were orphaned, or? They were on Blockchain, IIRC...


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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Here make an account and check for yourselves, I got in because where I live the senator was doing the presentations with a bunch of financial advisers,bankers, etc rich old people.

My mom go invited because they thought she was assumed to be a financial adviser I think, but im just a regular teenage guy, but when my mother told me it was bitclub related i was like wtf.

So when I checked it out I technically snuck in early im assuming.

Also most of those people know something is going on in September and have insider information about bitcoin, those people in that meeting are not ones to be fucked with.
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Most of the blocks discovered by this pool are fake, only 5 are actually blocks they have discovered.

What do you mean "fake?" Like they were orphaned, or? They were on Blockchain, IIRC...

They claim to have mined over 50 blocks.
Checking blockchain.info shows the actual amount. https://blockchain.info/blocks/BitClub%20Network
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Here make an account and check for yourselves, I got in because where I live the senator was doing the presentations with a bunch of financial advisers,bankers, etc rich old people.

My mom go invited because they thought she was assumed to be a financial adviser I think, but im just a regular teenage guy, but when my mother told me it was bitclub related i was like wtf.

So when I checked it out I technically snuck in early im assuming.

Also most of those people know something is going on in September and have insider information about bitcoin, those people in that meeting are not ones to be fucked with.

Sure, sounds legit.

Pleased to meet you, I'm the CEO of Bitcoin.


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Most of the blocks discovered by this pool are fake, only 5 are actually blocks they have discovered.

What do you mean "fake?" Like they were orphaned, or? They were on Blockchain, IIRC...

They claim to have mined over 50 blocks.
Checking blockchain.info shows the actual amount. https://blockchain.info/blocks/BitClub%20Network

The link you posted only shows blocks mined for the past 72 hours.  If you visit https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/bitclubnetwork you can see the amount of blocks mined all-time which is 53 for what it's worth.  So at least their claim of 50 blocks is legitimate.

Yeah, was about to say the same. You can't use a link that shows just 3 days and claim that encapsulates their entire history (especially when their claims were MORE THAN 3 days ago).


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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August 26, 2015, 12:55:58 PM
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Just while waiting for another shoe to drop, especially in the bizarre fraud accusation against EndtheFed https://bitclubnetwork.com/fraud/1/lerdbaron.html , I thought I'd crunch a few numbers in my spare time.

These worldwide MLM/Ponzi schemes can be huge, tens and hundreds of millions of dollars is quite common.
For example, the original promoters of BitClubNetwork came to the notice of the anti scammers over at http://behindmlm.com/companies/bitclub-network-review-zeek-ponzi-veterans-at-it-again/  because they were associated with the promotion of Zeek Rewards, a huge Ponzi with a MLM referral scheme attached.

The Zeek receiver has so far clawed back and redistributed $246,000,000 !!
http://www.zeekrewardsreceivership.com/

This money has been reclaimed from "Net Winners" through the US legal system, so the absolute attraction of anonymous Bitcoin for these sort of scammers is obvious, despite the fact that, according to one of their die hard shills, BitClub Network in actually based in Romania.

 

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Bitclub-Network-Bitclub-t478335.html

This is according to SecondsOld, a serial MLM pumper who actually dabbles in altcoins on here and has the only BitClub Network signature I have seen.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=251793

He is currently pumping BitClub and BitBillions GBBG, famous on here as the AussieStriker echo chamber, and for its incredibly anally complicated methods of creating money out of nothing.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147613.0

He was actually paying new mugs investors $100 cashback to mire themselves in the BitClub web grasp the opportunity of a lifetime and sign up on his downline.

BitClub is the greatest passive opportunity that I have
ever seen in my 15 years of networking, and it pays every single day
like clockwork.
For that reason, I'd love to help you get started earning daily income.

If you join me by becoming an active member of BitClub and
purchase at least one pool share, I will send you $100 via your
choice of Paypal, SolidTrustPay, or Bitcoin to make your membership
FREE!


http://archive.aweber.com/secondsold/9W_5H/h/SecondsOld_com_OFFER_100_.htm

We know that MLM companies make hundreds of millions of dollars (mainly) throughout the world. One of the ways that has been developed to define whether a scheme is legally legit in the States is quite logical: does their income derive from business activity and is the referral scheme an adjunct to that legitimate activity, or is it the reason for the existence of the business in the first place?

Anyway, a bit of number crunching.
For BitClub (or any other investment) to be sustainable and not a Ponzi, it must earn more than it pays out, or it will have to use new incoming investments to pay earlier ones.

So, how much does BCN pay out, and how much does it have coming in?

Because everything is secret and these people tend to make stuff up to suit the situation, these will be called "fag packet" calculations, as in not claiming to be 100% accurate, but, like something jotted on the back of a cigarette packet, hopefully giving an oversight into the situation.

How many investors need paying, and how much?

According to Thomas Morrison on FaceBook, (he probably doesn't exist, but there are a number of other references to similar amounts), BitClub Network has  6000 Bitcoin Educators (sic) earning Bitcoin daily



6000.
Ok, in order to qualify as an "educator", you have to be bought in. Let's assume they count everyone who has paid in, even non referral marks like our EndtheFed in that 6,000.

That's $99 each, plus between $500 minimum and $3500 for all three mining schemes.
Let's ignore the $99 (a handy $600,000 bit of change) and concentrate on the repayments to those 6,000 investors.

All these schemes have important sounding names for levels within them and BCN is no exception, with its "Founders".
A Founder, according to a tweet last november, buys all three of the mining programs for $3500 and 500 Founders had already been found, with another 500 being lined up.
http://patrickpretty.com/2014/11/18/bitclub-network-now-wants-500-new-suckers-participants-exhorted-to-be-patient-because-purported-mining-community-venture-is-like-building-a-home-made-space-ship-to-explore-outer-space/

Let's say for the sake of our fag packet, that they found them.
Let's say, conservatively, that the 6,000 'educators' consist of 1,000 @ $3500 each and the other 5,000 at an average of $1000 each. That would be a good number of $1000's, plus quite a few more all-ins balancing out a few $500's.
With these sort of people, you would be hounded non stop to increase your basic investment (and your sponsor's affiliate earnings). Once you're in and you believe/have convinced yourself/been convinced, the only way is to max out.

That's about $9,000,000. A lot of money to you and me, but small beer in the world of MLM cons. And plenty enough to buy a farm and have big change.

But, in order for it to be legitimate, BCN have to service that debt from exterior i.e. mining profit, not from new investors or they will be a Ponzi..
How much do they need to find?

They have mandatory reinvestment % on the different account values. These % are NOT mining costs, despite BCN halfheartedly once trying to imply that, they are re-investments in extra shares created for the benefit of the investor. They can't be both, if they are sold as a share they cannot be used to pay the bills. Double counting is a MLM speciality.

Let's have a look at LERDBARON aka EndtheFed's account:

 

Ignore the cummulative totals, let's just look at "last 24 hours"... 0.00585 BTC earned on 1.2954 shares.
That's a basic unit of 0.0045 BTC per $500 share per day, but of course 50% minimum of that is mandatorily reinvested, so the actual cash out available to the lowest tier 'miner' is pretty much around their 1000 day implied ROI, or ~0.0022 BTC per day.
The re-investments are totally meaningless until they provide a tangible income, or have a resaleable value. IOU's backed by nothing.

For the sake of this, let's say that each group of 'miners' has stayed at default re-investment %'s, despite being urged to crank it up to the max and re-invest EVERYTHING.
Cash paid per day:
On 2000 x $500 accounts that's 9  BTC @ 50/50%, 4.5  BTC paid out.
On 4000 x $1000  -         -      36 BTC @ 60/40% 21.6 BTC paid out.
On 2000 x $2000  -         -      36 BTC @ 70/30% 25.2 BTC paid out.

A total of 51.2 BTC paid out daily, plus future liability of 28.8 BTC compounded re-investment, added daily. Hold that thought....

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So, how much are they earning, then? As in mining income, they have no other source of revenue.

They were trumpeting about having over 2 PH/s and roaring up the mining leader board a while back. Since they have been advertizing their pool, they have recently been showing 4.2 PH/s on their mining stats here
https://bitclubpool.com/index.php?p=stats

But, of the 60 blocks mined since 07/29, 18 of them have been attributed to non BitClub mining interests happyorange and holyscott



which gives BCN about 1.5 blocks per day to themselves, or 37.5 BTC maximum.
That's a gross figure, without any deductions for capital investment, electricity, staff etc. etc. and certainly none for the estimated 30%+ cost of the huge referral system.

They claim to be mining in Iceland. There was an interesting video about Genesis Mining recently, where the CEO shed a bit of light on the cost of producing a Bitcoin in a modern farm in Iceland.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/photos-iceland-bitcoin-mine-genesis-mining-cloud-2015-8

Streng says one Bitcoin costs them $60 in electricity, $130 in fixed costs and leaves about $50 profit for dividend payments to investors @ a price of $240/BTC. Any decrease in price comes straight out of that $50 profit, the other costs are fixed.
In other words, about 20% profit before dividend and tax.

Assuming Streng isn't lying, then the same maths apply to our BCN friends.

A gross revenue of 37.5 BTC per day becomes a nett distributable profit of 7.5 BTC per day after costs. Hold that one too....

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Daily profit and Loss for BITCLUB NETWORK

LIABILTIES

Cash payments to investors 51.2
Future liabilities                 28.8
Mining Overhead                30.0

INCOME

Gross mining revenue        37.5        


DAILY OPERATING CASH DEFICIT  43.7 BTC,
plus future unfunded liabilities increasing at 28.8 BTC per day.

Even if you said all of the re-investment went to paying the existing overheads and infrastructure costs and thus that future shares would be worthless, the conclusion is still inescapable

BY THEIR OWN FIGURES, BITCLUB NETWORK IS AN UNSUSTAINABLE PONZI OPERATION, USING BITCOIN MINING AS A FRONT FOR A MULTI LEVEL MARKETING SCAM.



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Great write up. I have filed a complaint with the SEC regarding Bitclub.

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September 25, 2015, 11:50:13 AM
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September 28, 2015, 03:23:06 PM
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Scammers do not have shame! Posting picture of rapist is sick! .. It's too much!

Thanks for describing everything!

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September 29, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
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Hey wait, that's not Mike Schmidt, it's some Dr. in Qatar named Carsten Heinrich  Roll Eyes

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September 30, 2015, 04:10:19 AM
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OMFG i`m felling of my fucking chair of laughting, my belly hurts already from laughting Cheesy

They put a fucking indian rapist mugshot as their front cover testimonial guy. They are fucking geniuses  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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