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August 14, 2015, 12:10:08 PM
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Hi all guys,

What are thinking about Yesminer?
I want to buy some miners, but I think it is not possible 20TH miner with 1500W power consumption. Is this scam, or not?

These miners are preorder on JAN 2016

http://www.yesminers.de/en/mining/yesminer-m20.html?___from_store=de

Thanks for info Huh
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August 14, 2015, 12:16:45 PM
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No point preordering now, by the time you got the miner, the difficulty already jump a quantum
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August 14, 2015, 12:19:32 PM
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English discussion in this unfortunately-named thread: Bitcoin Forum > Bitcoin > Mining > Hardware > New Hardware or Scam

German: initial group buy thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1125157
German: official thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1136178
German: unmoderated thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138601

If you can't read German, the tl;dr is that most people don't believe it - company is taking preorders for January 2016 as you mentioned, was doing business on e-bay by selling 'coupons' for prices that were too good to be true, their business registration may or may not be iffy depending on interpretation, and of course there's no detail on the hardware whatsoever.  The flip side is that a known German reseller of Bitcoin hardware seems to be convinced that it's a legit operation and now acts as something of a spokesperson, telling everybody to wait for more details later this month.

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August 14, 2015, 12:56:19 PM
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What about this shop https://www.protact.net/ they offer the unit too, as well as the S5 and the new S5+.
First look, no red flags to be aware of, but they do lack privacy policy  and a few other things on the page.

Has anyone purchased anything from them?
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August 14, 2015, 01:09:51 PM
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Problem is, I dont speak German Sad
If it is possible, someone from Germany can verify this company.
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August 14, 2015, 01:21:14 PM
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What about this shop https://www.protact.net/ they offer the unit too, as well as the S5 and the new S5+.
That's the "known German reseller".  Either take the gamble (it's your money) or wait for the promised 'more information' later this month.

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August 14, 2015, 01:34:01 PM
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What about this shop https://www.protact.net/ they offer the unit too, as well as the S5 and the new S5+.
That's the "known German reseller".  Either take the gamble (it's your money) or wait for the promised 'more information' later this month.

Not in a rush at all, nor do I fancy the idea of "gambling".
When you say "known German re-seller" do you mean that seriously, are they truly known and people actually purchased whatever from them and got them delivered? I am asking, because even though the Yesminer looks very dodgy for the time being, we know for a fact that the Bitmaintech products are very real. I for one would not mind knowing a decent re-seller inside EU borders.
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August 14, 2015, 01:43:46 PM
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When you say "known German re-seller" do you mean that seriously, are they truly known
They're known - have been around for a good while - but a quick search shows mostly negative things; that can be negativity bias, though.  I have not had personal experience with them.  You can always ask in the unmoderated thread in English - they won't mind Smiley

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August 14, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
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This has already been discussed and pretty much is speculated to be a big scam, definitely stay away for now and if it does start shipping out with units that don't explode or fail then order one. Preordering is a TERRIBLE idea when it comes to bitcoin miners.

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August 14, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
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Almost definite scam.
Trying to piggyback off KnC's announced Solar devices (the ONLY announcement of 16nm FinFET) - but KnC has also announced somewhere they're moving to a farm-only setup.

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August 14, 2015, 03:59:27 PM
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The efficiency figure of .08W/GH falls into the "Too Good to be True" category for me. I expect it's a scam.

I'll bet the pre-order is only with BTC, right?

Won't take Paypal or a credit card?

Way out beyond the time limitations for Paypal or Credit Card?

If yes, all big flashing signals of   SCAM!!!
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August 14, 2015, 04:13:24 PM
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Definitely SCAM  Wink
  • 20000 GH/s (20 TH/s) just 1500W (at the wall)
  • Shipping Date: January 2016
  • Shipping: Free UPS worldwide.

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August 14, 2015, 04:16:30 PM
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It certainly looks that way. If it is too good to be true, it is probably not true.
How many so called pre-orders will they be able to sum up I wonder...
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August 14, 2015, 06:15:21 PM
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Yesminer, I say No-miner at this time.  Wait a lil.
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August 14, 2015, 06:21:44 PM
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Protact.net has sold real miners and I have trusted them.Little expensive miners yes but they really delivered.So I spilled my morning coffee when I saw that they are selling this Yesminer.I cannot believe 20Th/1.5kW.I wouldn't trust that they will ever deliver that.
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August 14, 2015, 06:36:49 PM
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Give me (and all buyers in Russian Federation) something that costs about 800-900 USD. Even if it is not a 10-20 TH/s miner.

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August 14, 2015, 06:47:01 PM
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Protact.net has sold real miners and I have trusted them.Little expensive miners yes but they really delivered.So I spilled my morning coffee when I saw that they are selling this Yesminer.I cannot believe 20Th/1.5kW.I wouldn't trust that they will ever deliver that.
AHA! So they are the real deal. I am thinking, either...

A. They know something we don't about Yesminer.
B. They want to go out with a boom, you know, get a piece of the Yesminer cake. in which case, they once again know something we don't.
C. Their investment department is ruled by mad leprechauns.

All of the above of course being nothing more than pure speculation.

Yesminer is too good to be true, just like the Hashcoins Uranus (I know XD), I hope I am wrong, but for now I am skeptical.
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August 14, 2015, 06:52:55 PM
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Protact went out of business in Jul/Apr 15. A customer wrote something about it here - later on Truman wrote a statement with poor information about it. So I wouldnt give them money upfront.

Zu den genauen Gründen der Beendigung des Hostings möchtet ich mich nicht äußern. Wir können die Miner nur leider einfach nicht mehr weiterhin wirtschaftlich betreiben. Wie schon ein paar mal erwähnt konnten wir von vielen glücklichen Gegebenheiten profitieren. Wenn dann aber eine oder zwei dieser Wegfallen funktioniert das ganze nicht mehr.  Cry

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So they are back in business... again.
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August 14, 2015, 07:06:03 PM
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Protact went out of business in Jul/Apr 15. A customer wrote something about it here - later on Truman wrote a statement with poor information about it. So I wouldnt give them money upfront.

Zu den genauen Gründen der Beendigung des Hostings möchtet ich mich nicht äußern. Wir können die Miner nur leider einfach nicht mehr weiterhin wirtschaftlich betreiben. Wie schon ein paar mal erwähnt konnten wir von vielen glücklichen Gegebenheiten profitieren. Wenn dann aber eine oder zwei dieser Wegfallen funktioniert das ganze nicht mehr.  Cry

Wir haben weiterhin jedem Kunden ein gleiches und aus unserer Sicht gutes und faires Rückkaufangebot unterbreitet und den Kunden keinerlei unter Druck gesetzt. Bisher haben die meisten Kunden dieses auch angenommen. Jeder müsste auch eigentlich (zumindest mit einem kleinen) Plus aus der Sache gegangen sein.  Smiley


So they are back in business... again.

That explains alot.I think the site was down for awhile and when it came back online it looked very different.
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August 15, 2015, 08:10:01 AM
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needless worry, in the expeditions is pagamente it says that if the figure does not exceed 3500 (EUR) the customer can pay the courier when it is delivered.
so I see the problem, look in January 2016 is then ordered 1 yesminer 10 thr. Wink
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