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August 15, 2015, 07:31:13 PM
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http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

Is it legit?
Was this the same email address that was hacked a while ago?
If you think it was him/her/they, why didn't he PGP sign this message?

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August 15, 2015, 07:34:48 PM
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http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

Is it legit?
Was this the same email address that was hacked a while ago?
If you think it was him/her/they, why didn't he PGP sign this message?


No, it isn't legit. Either it was the old hack account again.
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August 15, 2015, 07:36:44 PM
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Satoshi's public address was a gmx one. And that was gotten into a long time ago. PGP key or GTFO.
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August 15, 2015, 07:38:08 PM
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http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

Is it legit?
Was this the same email address that was hacked a while ago?
If you think it was him/her/they, why didn't he PGP sign this message?


What the actual fuck lol .
It looks fake , without PNG key he can't proove shit so yeah .. also I'am not sure when you see the email on that page but here is the one hacked : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=775174.0
I guess Theymos could confirm if the emailed used on that page is one of Satoshi email adresses.

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August 15, 2015, 07:39:13 PM
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http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

Is it legit?
Was this the same email address that was hacked a while ago?
If you think it was him/her/they, why didn't he PGP sign this message?


What the actual fuck lol .
It looks fake , without PNG key he can't proove shit so yeah .. also I'am not sure when you see the email on that page but here is the one hacked : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=775174.0
I guess Theymos could confirm if the emailed used on that page is one of Satoshi email adresses.

satoshi at vistomail.com ?
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August 15, 2015, 07:49:04 PM
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http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

Is it legit?
Was this the same email address that was hacked a while ago?
If you think it was him/her/they, why didn't he PGP sign this message?

Just as the prophesy has predicted. The Great Satoshi War of 2015 has begun.
The next Satoshi to appear will say the opposite.
But neither will be the true Nakamoto till the one with PGP arrives.

I support a decentralized & unregulatable ledger first, with safe scaling over time.
Request a signed message if you are associating with anyone claiming to be me.
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August 15, 2015, 07:50:50 PM
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This is fake as fuck but on a side note does anybody think that Satoshi will ever return in any way? Maybe if the Core vs XT battle becomes absolutely critical for some kind of authoritative decision? Is Satoshi even still alive?
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August 15, 2015, 07:53:19 PM
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Well satoshi has/had the patience and discipline to not spend his 1 million coins.
Something tells me he'll have the same discipline not to intervene in the blocksize debate.
He needs to test to see if this experiment, a decentralized currency system, can work or not.

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August 15, 2015, 08:02:01 PM
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Peter Todd is probably the one posting from it:



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August 15, 2015, 08:03:39 PM
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Peter Todd is probably the one posting from it:





Peter is strongly against XT, Hearn and Gavin's proposed solutions. But I don't think he would stoop as low as pretending to be satoshi.

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August 15, 2015, 08:10:47 PM
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Although i'm fairly certain that Satoshi didn't author this, atleast it was composed in a way that it seams plausible that he would author it.

I don't think he's behind it tho, for the sole reason that he was advocating decentralization in every form, so that means from within bitcoin development too.
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August 15, 2015, 08:13:08 PM
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Although i'm fairly certain that Satoshi didn't author this, atleast it was composed in a way that it seams plausible that he would author it.

I don't think he's behind it tho, for the sole reason that he was advocating decentralization in every form, so that means from within bitcoin development too.
Let community decide on who they will follow..



This. I don't trust Hearn at all, not one bit. I could be totally wrong but there's something sleazy about him. I don't like him & will continue to stick with Core until/unless it becomes totally necessary to migrate to XT.

I'm hoping that maybe the Core devs will come to some kind of compromise on a block size increase eventually. I don't want to use XT right now.

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August 15, 2015, 08:13:41 PM
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Peter Todd is probably the one posting from it:





Peter is strongly against XT, Hearn and Gavin's proposed solutions. But I don't think he would stoop as low as pretending to be satoshi.

Dont think so highly of the turd. When money is involved and you're losing  a "battle" you would do stupid shit like this
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August 15, 2015, 08:14:06 PM
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A while back, Satoshi's other email address satoshin@Gmx.com was confirmed to be compromised. This vistomail email address was not known to be compromised as far as I know, however we should assume it is unless we receive a signed mesage from satoshi stating otherwise.

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August 15, 2015, 08:16:43 PM
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Although i'm fairly certain that Satoshi didn't author this, atleast it was composed in a way that it seams plausible that he would author it.

I don't think he's behind it tho, for the sole reason that he was advocating decentralization in every form, so that means from within bitcoin development too.
Let community decide on who they will follow..



This. I don't trust Hearn at all, not one bit. I could be totally wrong but there's something sleazy about him. I don't like him & will continue to stick with Core until/unless it becomes totally necessary to migrate to XT.



Hahha if bitcoiners are just all fools like you , bitcoin would have died long ago.

This is not polictic you dont vote your president candidate, you dont use "trust" by just looking that their face, speech and all the PR stunt.

You look at the code, merits of the idea and you go.
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August 15, 2015, 08:19:10 PM
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Peter Todd is probably the one posting from it:





Peter is strongly against XT, Hearn and Gavin's proposed solutions. But I don't think he would stoop as low as pretending to be satoshi.

People do strange things, the writing style is consistent with Todd.

This is just a result of what happens when we start to look towards people like Peter Todd, tensions and personalities flare at the risk of losing status within the community.


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August 15, 2015, 08:27:55 PM
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A while back, Satoshi's other email address satoshin@Gmx.com was confirmed to be compromised. This vistomail email address was not known to be compromised as far as I know, however we should assume it is unless we receive a signed mesage from satoshi stating otherwise.

I agree, if the address was proven to be compromised, without his PGP key nothing should be trusted as a valid founder statement.
I believe he knows better than to post something important with no proof that he is who he claims to be.

Unrelated to his or impersonator's identity, i do think that bitcoin needs to advance and constantly evolve in a way that makes it cutting edge,
but i am not convinced that XT is the answer. However, if the community wants it, it's the way that it will be, i just hope it wont start of a conflict within the community.

The more we debate, the more it seams that someone is utilizing the old "Divide and conquer " technique ?!

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The more we debate, the more it seams that someone is utilizing the old "Divide and conquer " technique ?!

I am not claiming to be aware of all the ins and outs on both sides of this debate, but from what I have read/understood so far, on this point I can agree.

Seems that both sides are tossing up arguments, oftentimes in the form of FUD. This only serves to leave newcomers and people not up to speed on such things left with the impression of infighting and therefore an overall less trustworthy opinion of the community and Bitcoin as a whole. I think we can already see this reflected in the price, and I wouldn't doubt it continues to drop until this is resolved.
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August 15, 2015, 08:57:54 PM
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Here's an interesting addendum - https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html

According to that Satoshi never added a PGP signature to anything.

If that is the case then there's no real way of ever proving who Satoshi is beyond moving the relevant coins. Even then that would only prove that someone had access to those coins.

Satoshi has reached permanent ghosthood.
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August 15, 2015, 09:00:26 PM
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Here's an interesting addendum - https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html

According to that Satoshi never added a PGP signature to anything.

If that is the case then there's no real way of ever proving who Satoshi is beyond moving the relevant coins. Even then that would only prove that someone had access to those coins.

Satoshi has reached permanent ghosthood.

This is true. He never PGP signature to anything. The only way would to sign transactions on his coin stash which he has never done. For all we know this was designed this way so nobody would ever know if the 'real' Satoshi was speaking on behalf an issue like we've seen.
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