Thoughts regarding "satoshis" post today on the mailing list?

[kingscrown]

Here's an interesting addendum - https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html

According to that Satoshi never added a PGP signature to anything.

If that is the case then there's no real way of ever proving who Satoshi is beyond moving the relevant coins. Even then that would only prove that someone had access to those coins.

Satoshi has reached permanent ghosthood.

yep i feel we will never know.
until he votes with his money - but its too risky for him to do that at this point..

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[AgentofCoin]

Here's an interesting addendum - https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html

According to that Satoshi never added a PGP signature to anything.

If that is the case then there's no real way of ever proving who Satoshi is beyond moving the relevant coins. Even then that would only prove that someone had access to those coins.

Satoshi has reached permanent ghosthood.

Here is a link to a Satoshi Nakamoto PGP Key.
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498

[cryptothreads]

Here's an interesting addendum - https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html

According to that Satoshi never added a PGP signature to anything.

If that is the case then there's no real way of ever proving who Satoshi is beyond moving the relevant coins. Even then that would only prove that someone had access to those coins.

Satoshi has reached permanent ghosthood.

Here is a link to a Satoshi Nakamoto PGP Key.
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498

More in-depth look: http://pastebin.com/Ct5M8fa2

[Tey]

Here's an interesting addendum - https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html

According to that Satoshi never added a PGP signature to anything.

If that is the case then there's no real way of ever proving who Satoshi is beyond moving the relevant coins. Even then that would only prove that someone had access to those coins.

Satoshi has reached permanent ghosthood.

thanks for sharing

[unamis76]

The fact that he never signed anything with his key is irrelevant. If it is really him, he must be aware by now that we all believe he is MIA and therefore must prove his identity. As people say on the internet, "tits or GTFO", this time is signature or GTFO

[achow101]

The email that sent that email has been used by satoshi before in the early days of bitcoin. You can see it in the masking list archives.

[AgentofCoin]

Here's an interesting addendum - https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html

According to that Satoshi never added a PGP signature to anything.

If that is the case then there's no real way of ever proving who Satoshi is beyond moving the relevant coins. Even then that would only prove that someone had access to those coins.

Satoshi has reached permanent ghosthood.

Here is a link to a Satoshi Nakamoto PGP Key.
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498

More in-depth look: http://pastebin.com/Ct5M8fa2

I would also like to point out (it was not mentioned in the above pastebin post)
that the email username could have expired and thus been re-registered by someone else.
This is what occurred with the satoshin@gmx.com account.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=775174.msg8734884#msg8734884

Use of the satoshi@vistomail.com account does not guarantee that the statement in question came from Satoshi Nakamoto.

[dasource]

If (and a huge *if* that is) Satoshi decided he needed to make a point .. why would he not do it with the technology he created? Sign a message using one of his private keys on the bitcoin blockchain.
Something for everyone to see and no-one to dispute.

[Fuserleer]

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all.  We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice.   Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit. 

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue.  If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

[coinableS]

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all.  We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice.   Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit. 

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue.  If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

You make a very good point, we don't know if it wasn't him and if an attacker did have access to his email, why is this the only time he is trying to sway public opinion?
I don't think it's him, because I don't think he would get involved with the blockchain debate.
I'd like to hear what Gavin thinks about all this. Does he think it's Satoshi? And if so, Satoshi handed him the torch and then this email comes out scolding him, it's quite a dramatic turn of events.

[unamis76]

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all.  We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice.   Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.  

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue.  If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

I see what you mean, but we can prove it's not him if he doesn't sign it fast.

From what we know of Satoshi, what you're saying is highly improbable (although not impossible, obviously). Satoshi questioned why would anyone throw a wallet away for any reason, and said on the forums we should always keep a wallet. So he most probably did not throw any keys away.

If someone has full control of his accounts and no access to his PGP key, he can only troll.

[AgentofCoin]

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all.  We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice.   Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit. 

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue.  If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

It was not Satoshi who wrote the post "I am not Dorian Nakamoto".
That was the person who re-registered his account after it expired.
GMX.com confirmed it and, I think, has locked that account now from registration.

And for what its worth, IMO I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto is alive anymore.

[Remember remember the 5th of November]

The message doesn't give the vibe of the real Satoshi.

[Fuserleer]

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all.  We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice.   Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit. 

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue.  If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

You make a very good point, we don't know if it wasn't him and if an attacker did have access to his email, why is this the only time he is trying to sway public opinion?
I don't think it's him, because I don't think he would get involved with the blockchain debate.
I'd like to hear what Gavin thinks about all this. Does he think it's Satoshi? And if so, Satoshi handed him the torch and then this email comes out scolding him, it's quite a dramatic turn of events.

Exactly why I'm on the fence, he's been out and stayed out of any debate on Bitcoin until now.  He surfaced to clear Dorian's name, which is honourable and is to be expected of someone with his calibre and personality.

I guess it could be a kind of closure for him, perhaps he's been sitting by and has got to the point of disappointment where he feels he needs to speak out one more time.  If it is him, its quite a damning post, not only towards Gavin, but to all of us for letting things get this far.

[Fuserleer]

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all.  We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice.   Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit. 

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue.  If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

It was not Satoshi who wrote the post "I am not Dorian Nakamoto".
That was the person who re-registered his account after it expired.
GMX.com confirmed it and, I think, has locked that account now from registration.

And for what its worth, IMO I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto is alive anymore.

Oh, I wasn't aware that it was confirmed and that account was locked down.  I thought it was just assumed it was hacked.

[GermanGiant]

The message doesn't give the vibe of the real Satoshi.

True. "I am not Dorian" was more believable even if Dorian is true Satoshi.

[AgentofCoin]

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all.  We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice.   Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit. 

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue.  If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

It was not Satoshi who wrote the post "I am not Dorian Nakamoto".
That was the person who re-registered his account after it expired.
GMX.com confirmed it and, I think, has locked that account now from registration.

And for what its worth, IMO I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto is alive anymore.

Oh, I wasn't aware that it was confirmed and that account was locked down.  I thought it was just assumed it was hacked.

Here is where I originally read about the GMX response, at the time all of it happened:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/09/16/satoshi-nakamoto-email-hack/

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The message doesn't give the vibe of the real Satoshi.

yeah. but Satoshi never made any rage post before, right? so who knows...

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Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue.  If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

It was not Satoshi who wrote the post "I am not Dorian Nakamoto".
That was the person who re-registered his account after it expired.
GMX.com confirmed it and, I think, has locked that account now from registration.

And for what its worth, IMO I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto is alive anymore.

aaand that guy emailed theymos asking for coins. even go as far as threatening to hitman theymos.

[Fuserleer]

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all.  We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice.   Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.  

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue.  If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

I see what you mean, but we can prove it's not him if he doesn't sign it fast.

Its impossible to prove that someone isn't that person, its impossible to prove a falsehood in this manner, only truth can be proven.

If I made a post, yet everyone said it wasnt me, could you prove I didn't make the post when I in fact did?  You can't its impossible, you can only assume its false.

We all have no idea if Satoshi still has his keys to anything or not, regardless of what he advised us to do regarding wallets.  He may have had a fire at home and lost access to his backups? or any other number of "natural" ways to lose his keys.  A lot of events can happen over 5 years since he left, so you can not categorically claim that he still has his keys.

[kelsey]

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all.  We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice.   Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.  

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue.  If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

I see what you mean, but we can prove it's not him if he doesn't sign it fast.

Its impossible to prove that someone isn't that person, its impossible to prove a falsehood in this manner, only truth can be proven.

If I made a post, yet everyone said it wasnt me, could you prove I didn't make the post when I in fact did?  You can't its impossible, you can only assume its false.

We all have no idea if Satoshi still has his keys to anything or not, regardless of what he advised us to do regarding wallets.  He may have had a fire at home and lost access to his backups? or any other number of "natural" ways to lose his keys.  A lot of events can happen over 5 years since he left, so you can not categorically claim that he still has his keys.

however in this case you can prove its not him with a 30sec google search and it has little to do with the lack of any key