Why Gavin is so desperate about his fork? Is he hiding something?

[Carlton Banks]

meono why did you join this forum 14 days ago and have predominantly posted in XT related posts? It seems a bit weird that all you can do is to push the XT agenda. Where were you in the past 4 years? What makes you the expert? Do you have another account? Are you a dev?

Have a look at it's sig.

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[shubhankar das]

I mean, he could have simply stepped back and wait for the right time to come up with his idea again.
He know that the volume will rise with the halving and he want to go ahead and make the change before that happen

[mayax]

I mean, he could have simply stepped back and wait for the right time to come up with his idea again.
He know that the volume will rise with the halving and he want to go ahead and make the change before that happen

time is money ! 

[BitcoinPenny]

The problem as I see it is that the Bitcoin Core software is the reference software. If you want software guaranteed to have no back-doors,spying code or malicious spamming. Where do you find it? You have to trust an implementation and be able to judge other implementations against it. We need to trust that those that know and are experts in their fields, are actively defending against malicious changes and they can't do that across 10,000 different implementations.

Gavin has been there since the start. He has "form", as they say and the respect he has, was earned. That's not to say he could not be convinced into bad ideas, I just think its not his modus operandi to be malevolent and I don't see any factual basis to not continue with this assessment. He seems to feel passionately about bitcoin and argues for things he wants to see. Has he been "subverted" and moved to the dark side? Maybe. But I only see reasoned articles for debate at the moment fro a topic and decision he feels passionately for.

I sometimes feel that people want to piss in the developers' garden that they are tending because they can and there is nothing they can offer. Its a sort of reaction to a feeling of helplessness. There is nothing wrong with criticism and debate as there is nothing wrong with others wanting a different route but there must be a plan and plans by committee are slow laborious processes that don't please everyone.
Others just want to stamp on your plants because they don't like people having nice things

The problem is that most people don't know what the implication of these sorts of issues really are or, perhaps more importantly, what the interests of those in the debate are. What we do know is some people want change and the debate is about how much rather than not at all. So. Bitcoin is a hard concept to see in its entirety and most can only grok small chunks at a time. There are some that can grok everything and for us muggles, we have to listen to their arguments and vote with our confidence in those we trust.

My opinion is, I don't have an opinion on this particular change. I am dead set against centralisation and see many discussions that will ultimately lead us there but this isn't one of them. To me, this discussion is like "how pregnant should we be" and see all proposals as not being efforts to increase the distributed nature of Bitcoin.

Beautifully said.

Regards,
Me

[RawDog]

If they succeed in taking over Bitcoin, they will rule it. Many of the current devs have stated they will likely stop contributing to the code.

Right.  What will they do then?  Go work at Visa?  Look, no matter what happens, they will still be crypto guys and they will still be working on something.  New guys are going to come work on the core.  Let them go.  Many of them, like Luke Jr. are dicks anyway. 

[otrkid70]

I'm still trying to read and catch up with this subject About XT and so far it seems like a Money Grab....It seems some (Nameless) are looking to score big with this.  I can't say that it's a Bad idea on a money making sorta sense but Splitting the BTC Population to choose a certain Fork Path would be bad for all no?

Like i said i'm still reading up on this correct me if i'm wrong. I wonder if Satoshi will chime in on this?   Imagine that....with just a few words from him he could Move the population one way or the other.  It's insane.

From what i see it's a Money Grab/Move with personal gain in front Steaming away......How much Money is at stake for those who are involved in XT?

[kingscrown]

theres 2 things that will happen:
BTC go totally UP
or BTC going totally down.


vote with your money.

[Possum577]

There's a bomb implanted in Gavin's wife by evil big blockers. Unless a 1.1mb block appear in the middle of January then up she goes.

I cant believe you got paid for that...^^^

meono why did you join this forum 14 days ago and have predominantly posted in XT related posts? It seems a bit weird that all you can do is to push the XT agenda. Where were you in the past 4 years? What makes you the expert? Do you have another account? Are you a dev?

Others have called my Gavin.

But none of what you ask matters if you want to counter my points.

So what are the questions that matter? If you want to influence us, educate us...

[meono]

There's a bomb implanted in Gavin's wife by evil big blockers. Unless a 1.1mb block appear in the middle of January then up she goes.

I cant believe you got paid for that...^^^

meono why did you join this forum 14 days ago and have predominantly posted in XT related posts? It seems a bit weird that all you can do is to push the XT agenda. Where were you in the past 4 years? What makes you the expert? Do you have another account? Are you a dev?

Others have called my Gavin.

But none of what you ask matters if you want to counter my points.

So what are the questions that matter? If you want to influence us, educate us...

If you want to know why i registered 14 days ago, go PM admins or mods here.

Second, are you seriously asking what questions to ask me? LOL what a twisted logic you have there. My point is so darn simple, tell me how Mike will ......control bitcoin network.

Keep repeating it but then ignore MY QUESTION.

Also another point:

Even if people upgraded to XT, hearn wouldn't have more control than any other devs.

The code is opensource. Normally, Devs can only propose ways, and the community can decide what turn to take.

Currently most posts and comments that go against Blockstream/Core devs are being censored on forums owned by theymos.

I think the sole reason behind the creation of Blockstream was to control bitcoin development.

Wrong, he would. You have made contradictory statements.

As you are implying, currently core devs have clearly more control over Bitcoin code than Gavin and Mike. If the latter two succeed with their fork, then XT becomes the real Bitcoin. As many of core devs leave (they have stated they likely will), the Bitcoin code gets under control of Gavin and Mike.

Of course, if they start malicious activity in the open, someone will notice, and some action will likely be taken. But it's not the only way to undermine Bitcoin -- you can engineer trivially looking patches that introduce actual weaknesses which almost noone can notice until it's too late.

I'm not implying they will necessarily act maliciously, I'm pointing out the fact that if they do, it can go unnoticed. There are very few people with enough expertise...

Good point, you should start by looking at Lighting Network and Blockstream first.

You know the one thats already in the work instead of your hypothetical scenario.

[tadakaluri]

It is true we have contemplated joining a class action lawsuit against Gavin and Mike if they go through with the hard fork.

Because, if you lost your Bitcoins as a result of Gavin network split - would you hold him accountable?

[balu2]

It is true we have contemplated joining a class action lawsuit against Gavin and Mike if they go through with the hard fork.

Because, if you lost your Bitcoins as a result of Gavin network split - would you hold him accountable?

I think loosing money to a market crash is the thing that happens before your last value gets erased with a failed fork. Of course people would join a lawsuit then. Blowing btc up due to pure arrogance would be epic shit to witness.

[smoothie]

How is gavin so desperate?

I don't see him here spamming the forum or complaining/etc.

[coinableS]

It is true we have contemplated joining a class action lawsuit against Gavin and Mike if they go through with the hard fork.

Because, if you lost your Bitcoins as a result of Gavin network split - would you hold him accountable?

NO I think that's getting a little ridiculous. I think what Gavin and Mike are doing is reckless and childish, but in the end bitcoin is still an experiment and you never know if it will succeed or fail.  If those two alone can take down bitcoin then what do you think will happen if bitcoin were priced 10x the current amount and the banks decided it was time to infiltrate and destroy bitcoin from within? Bitcoin is more robust than two core developers, I guess ex-core developers now...

[Kprawn]

One thing that I take a great deal of comfort from from this XT nonsense; almost none of the so-called supporters are credible members of the forum, most come across as the usual sock puppets. I suspect that very low numbers of real people actually support GavinMikeCoin.

This. I've never seen a reputable member who switched their node from Core to XT. Still XT-lovers brag about their mining power.

LOL because reputable members are long gone from this forum (such as Eric Evoorhees who speak loudly against Thermos' action btw). And most of the rest are sold accounts.

Says the person, who hides behind a sock puppet account to promote BitcoinXT. How ironic....

Show your real face and we would consider if you are biased enough to have a valid argument. Your post history does not show any reason other than being created to promote Bitcoin XT and to attack members

who does not share your view or opinion. Ignore = On. 

[meono]

One thing that I take a great deal of comfort from from this XT nonsense; almost none of the so-called supporters are credible members of the forum, most come across as the usual sock puppets. I suspect that very low numbers of real people actually support GavinMikeCoin.

This. I've never seen a reputable member who switched their node from Core to XT. Still XT-lovers brag about their mining power.

LOL because reputable members are long gone from this forum (such as Eric Evoorhees who speak loudly against Thermos' action btw). And most of the rest are sold accounts.

Says the person, who hides behind a sock puppet account to promote BitcoinXT. How ironic....

Show your real face and we would consider if you are biased enough to have a valid argument. Your post history does not show any reason other than being created to promote Bitcoin XT and to attack members

who does not share your view or opinion. Ignore = On. 

How do i show my real face exactly? Put my face directly against the screen while you hit "scan" ?

I'm confused....

[Furio]

One thing that I take a great deal of comfort from from this XT nonsense; almost none of the so-called supporters are credible members of the forum, most come across as the usual sock puppets. I suspect that very low numbers of real people actually support GavinMikeCoin.

This. I've never seen a reputable member who switched their node from Core to XT. Still XT-lovers brag about their mining power.

LOL because reputable members are long gone from this forum (such as Eric Evoorhees who speak loudly against Thermos' action btw). And most of the rest are sold accounts.

Says the person, who hides behind a sock puppet account to promote BitcoinXT. How ironic....

Show your real face and we would consider if you are biased enough to have a valid argument. Your post history does not show any reason other than being created to promote Bitcoin XT and to attack members

who does not share your view or opinion. Ignore = On. 

How do i show my real face exactly? Put my face directly against the screen while you hit "scan" ?

I'm confused....

What a poor attempt in humor, if you don´t have it, leave it and just troll, that´s what you do best

[meono]

One thing that I take a great deal of comfort from from this XT nonsense; almost none of the so-called supporters are credible members of the forum, most come across as the usual sock puppets. I suspect that very low numbers of real people actually support GavinMikeCoin.

This. I've never seen a reputable member who switched their node from Core to XT. Still XT-lovers brag about their mining power.

LOL because reputable members are long gone from this forum (such as Eric Evoorhees who speak loudly against Thermos' action btw). And most of the rest are sold accounts.

Says the person, who hides behind a sock puppet account to promote BitcoinXT. How ironic....

Show your real face and we would consider if you are biased enough to have a valid argument. Your post history does not show any reason other than being created to promote Bitcoin XT and to attack members

who does not share your view or opinion. Ignore = On.  

How do i show my real face exactly? Put my face directly against the screen while you hit "scan" ?

I'm confused....

What a poor attempt in humor, if you don´t have it, leave it and just troll, that´s what you do best

A little tip for future reference.

Notice i dont have any sig ad campain? Wouldnt it make more sense to have one with a sock puppet acct as i was accused of?

The main point is, it does not matter if my account is sock puppet or not, if you make judgement based on the account name, charismatic figure, you're exposed to be manipulated (remember the forum allows sell/buy accounts). The post only needs to carry the merits of itself, not the poster behind it.

Go to Altcoin section and get an idea why ppl got scammed left and right.
Or check the history of Mining section:
Josh Inaba was once vouched to be "reputable" member once,
IceBreaker
Cypherdoc

... the list goes on and on.

And
I might have terrible humor, agree   Afterall i'm not a comedian. Unless that add merits to my post .

[Kprawn]

The fact is, you created a account to hide behind, so that you can talk smack to other members, without having the risk of tainting your reputation on your main account.

A signature campaign would be a problem for you, because it place a limit on how much posts you can make per day, before you get banned for Sig spamming.

The disposable account you have now, is a throwaway and is ideal to talk smack to other members and also to spam as many threads as you want.

What I am saying is... Have a civil debate with your real account, and we would take you seriously.

We all have a opinion on this matter, but we choose to have a civil discussion, without attacking people and calling them names.

Let's just keep this civil and professional, because it's a important subject and it needs serious debate.

[Mr Moustache]

I wish this whole blocksize debate would just get sorted. It worries me that things like this can happen. I'm also sceptical of peoples motivations for it.

Says the person, who hides behind a sock puppet account to promote BitcoinXT. How ironic....

Show your real face and we would consider if you are biased enough to have a valid argument. Your post history does not show any reason other than being created to promote Bitcoin XT and to attack members

who does not share your view or opinion. Ignore = On. 

This guy is probably trolling you all and trolls only win when you try fight them. Just ignore it if its something you dont like.

[Carlton Banks]

Let's just keep this civil and professional, because it's a important subject and it needs serious debate.

Have you looked at the actual content of it's sig yet? Look. Then stop talking to it.