Why Gavin is so desperate about his fork? Is he hiding something?

[favdesu]

Gavin himself said Satoshi never spoke to him again after mentioning the CIA, but Satoshi's last message was to put Gavin in charge. It doesn't add up.

No it doesn't but it's all stuff that comes from Gavins' mouth. We have no evidence for nothing of that, do we?

Was the "let's put Gavin in charge" msg signed with Satoshi's key?  Or did Satoshi actually disappear get disappeared before it was written, so that msg could be plausibly confirmed by his subsequent absence?

If we're going to declare Satohi's latest post to the list as fake until proven otherwise, let's do the same for his "Gavin is in charge" decision.

If it's not signed, agnostic is the proper trust level.

doesn't matter at this point. once bitcoinxt goes south, Gavin won't have a place to come back to. he decided to go rogue, and I hope no one will welcome him back

[slaveforanunnak1]

the problem is that redditors are not seeing any of the negative XT shit. I've posted several things about XT and it was gone before i could even see it under NEW

[forlackofabettername]

XT must prevail or Bitcoin will die.  It is that simple.  

The Blockchain Technology Cat is out of the bag.  Blockchain technology is the financial industry darling.  Billions of Dollars are being invested.  They've seen the beauty of blockchain and it is here to stay.  They want the ledger control.  And they will get it.  It was written into the plan and the stars from the beginning and anyone who thinks differently is naive.  It was PLANNED all along.  "Satoshi" set it up.  Do you think it is an accident that the renegade badboy image of Bitcoin came about by accident?  No, it was introduced through the channels it was intentionally.  The techies ate it up, and the criminal element embraced it.  And through them the beauty of it found a showcase which others eventually noticed.   It was simply a way to get it accepted by the masses, and get the attention of the Fiat guys.

But these Fiat guys want the Ledger control, and they want to expand capabilities, and that will require bigger blocks.  They will NOT let go of what they have found.

NOW - the path of least resistance is to keep Bitcoin.  It already has acceptance.  It has a broad dispersion throughout the global public.   It has a decent infrastructure buildout.  The odds are that Bitcoin gets through the XT hurdle and becomes the standard - AND THE FIAT GOVERNORS WILL CONTROL THE LEDGERS.

OR.... XT will fail through bickering.  In which case the Fiat guys will pick a new "Fiat Bitcoin" to run their Blockhain Ledger, and bitcoin will slowly die as they use all their tools to force everyone into what they create and replace Bitcoin with - AND THE FIAT GOVERNORS WILL CONTROL THE LEDGERS.

Either way they will win.  One way they win bigger.  

Bitcoin will in the end prevail with an XT patch I believe.  And that will be in a way a win for the people.  But make no mistake - nothing will stop "THEM" from controlling the Ledger eventually.  And it was planned that way from the start.

Satoshi isn't who/what you think.

Peace, -d

Probably, and that's why the idea of a single central chain and currency like bitcoin is so unhealthy. It is far too easy to take over. People would have a better position if crypto had like 5 or 10 big coins instead only one. Let the bankers have all their ledgers, no problem. We have enough blockchains for everyone.

[forlackofabettername]

It's disturbing how Gavin is not posting to the community at all, he's doing all this in silence.

He probably can't even look his own image in the mirror straight in the eyes...

All this would not have been possible if he would have had to defend his proposal in front of community in direct conversation.

[tvbcof]

It's disturbing how Gavin is not posting to the community at all, he's doing all this in silence.

He probably can't even look his own image in the mirror straight in the eyes...

All this would not have been possible if he would have had to defend his proposal in front of community in direct conversation.

Honestly, I've had a mild feeling for some time that Gavin just wants out, and even has perhaps tried to subtly warn people about this stuff.  I don't get the sense that he is anywhere near the driver's seat.  I'm inclined to wonder if he is more like a guy bound up and stuffed into the trunk.

[ObscureBean]

Only time will tell whether Gavin's right or not but one thing's for sure, the vast majority of Bitcoiners do not possess the necessary technical expertise to be able to properly evaluate his proposition. People need to realize that being opinionated about something they only vaguely understand does not help Bitcoin in any way. It only serves to fuel disharmony.

[AGD]

Only time will tell whether Gavin's right or not but one thing's for sure, the vast majority of Bitcoiners do not possess the necessary technical expertise to be able to properly evaluate his proposition. People need to realize that being opinionated about something they only vaguely understand does not help Bitcoin in any way. It only serves to fuel disharmony.

Dividing Bitcoin experts from the users serves harmony then?

[iCEBREAKER]

To answer the title, yes they hid a sophisticated program which logs your ip even if you're on proxy or tor, and they add IPs to a blacklist and whitelist. It's not all objective, they can add people at will too. This is much worse than I ever thought, they can control every bitcoin user if they got their fork. It would end bitcoin as we know it. It's a horrible and disgusting abuse of Bitcoin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByLnBVYGlyDsT25MNExSUDB2NTA/view?usp=sharing

Thank you for seeing something and saying something.

Looks like Heam is still working for sigint.google.mil.

[mayax]

To answer the title, yes they hid a sophisticated program which logs your ip even if you're on proxy or tor, and they add IPs to a blacklist and whitelist. It's not all objective, they can add people at will too. This is much worse than I ever thought, they can control every bitcoin user if they got their fork. It would end bitcoin as we know it. It's a horrible and disgusting abuse of Bitcoin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByLnBVYGlyDsT25MNExSUDB2NTA/view?usp=sharing

 very good point but I am sure many people from this forum will ignore it.

they ignore many things regarding to BTC.... like who owns Bitcoin. Who is behind the scene, who are the shareholders for the main exchangers , merchants and miners.

The same shareholders are the sponsors for many news media websites which promote Bitcoins.

Take the ones from the so called "Foundation"(Bitcoin developers) and you will find that they are connected with the exchanges and their shareholders as well. Not that they know each other but the are interconnected by running the same businesses.

Just make a simple search regarding to the main exchangers like CoinBase, Bitstamp, BTC China, Ripple.
 SatoshiDICE (owns more than 60% from the existing BTC )   and many others. You will find the SAME people as shareholders.

[mayax]

It's disturbing how Gavin is not posting to the community at all, he's doing all this in silence.

He probably can't even look his own image in the mirror straight in the eyes...

All this would not have been possible if he would have had to defend his proposal in front of community in direct conversation.

true!

[marcus_of_augustus]

It's disturbing how Gavin is not posting to the community at all, he's doing all this in silence.

He probably can't even look his own image in the mirror straight in the eyes...

All this would not have been possible if he would have had to defend his proposal in front of community in direct conversation.

Honestly, I've had a mild feeling for some time that Gavin just wants out, and even has perhaps tried to subtly warn people about this stuff.  I don't get the sense that he is anywhere near the driver's seat.  I'm inclined to wonder if he is more like a guy bound up and stuffed into the trunk.

Interesting take on it. Maybe lobbing that code into Hearn's repo was like Gavin's warrant canary ?

I mean who could possibly think he would do such a thing without being compromised? Ergo he's compromised and it is his way of telling us without breaking the law.

[meono]

To answer the title, yes they hid a sophisticated program which logs your ip even if you're on proxy or tor, and they add IPs to a blacklist and whitelist. It's not all objective, they can add people at will too. This is much worse than I ever thought, they can control every bitcoin user if they got their fork. It would end bitcoin as we know it. It's a horrible and disgusting abuse of Bitcoin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByLnBVYGlyDsT25MNExSUDB2NTA/view?usp=sharing

 very good point but I am sure many people from this forum will ignore it.

they ignore many things regarding to BTC.... like who owns Bitcoin. Who is behind the scene, who are the shareholders for the main exchangers , merchants and miners.

The same shareholders are the sponsors for many news media websites which promote Bitcoins.

Take the ones from the so called "Foundation"(Bitcoin developers) and you will find that they are connected with the exchanges and their shareholders as well. Not that they know each other but the are interconnected by running the same businesses.

Just make a simple search regarding to the main exchangers like CoinBase, Bitstamp, BTC China, Ripple.
 SatoshiDICE (owns more than 60% from the existing BTC )   and many others. You will find the SAME people as shareholders.

Quote to add to my data of XTbashers. Love this

[chek2fire]

Pulling in a car analogy, you have a pit crew that just added hardened pistons, closed loop anti-knock sensing fuel-air mixture control, nitrous, and recently invented and is planning on building the turbo-charger, all while also contributing to maintaining track and painting the car (which happen to be some of their most visible activities; because they're easy to explain).
... and while they're busily debating compression ratios and high octane fuel and the seeming impossibility of getting the car to safely go much faster with the current state of technology you have a guy standing on the sidelines with a beer cup hat, saying "No problem guys: lets remove the breaks!" and the crowd goes wild: Finally someone who cares about speed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hfgpo/an_initiative_to_bring_advanced_privacy_features/cu7mhw8?contex=2

[AGD]

Nick Szabo is asking the same:

If it seems like the limit is getting hit persistently, and confirmation times are becoming a problem, an emergency limit increase is something that the core devs can patch very simply and quickly.  They can execute such an emergency block size “QE” if you will, at a moments notice.  They have demonstratively done this kind of deployment before, during the one previous hard fork, and with the F2Pool bug.  So what is the rush?

http://wallstreettechnologist.com/2015/08/19/bitcoin-xt-vs-core-blocksize-limit-the-schism-that-divides-us-all/

[coinableS]

Nick Szabo is asking the same:

If it seems like the limit is getting hit persistently, and confirmation times are becoming a problem, an emergency limit increase is something that the core devs can patch very simply and quickly.  They can execute such an emergency block size “QE” if you will, at a moments notice.  They have demonstratively done this kind of deployment before, during the one previous hard fork, and with the F2Pool bug.  So what is the rush?

http://wallstreettechnologist.com/2015/08/19/bitcoin-xt-vs-core-blocksize-limit-the-schism-that-divides-us-all/

The rush is that there is something that Gavin and Mike are hiding. They are trying to get this fork pushed through under the guise of bigger blocks, but what's the real update they are hiding? Is it a blacklist?

Perhaps a government entity approached the "chief scientist" of bitcoin with an offer he could not refuse. Something along the lines of "get us in and we'll make sure you or your children will never have to work again". Sounds like a spy movie? Truth is stranger than fiction, and certain folks have A LOT to lose if bitcoin succeeds.

[AGD]

Nick Szabo is asking the same:

If it seems like the limit is getting hit persistently, and confirmation times are becoming a problem, an emergency limit increase is something that the core devs can patch very simply and quickly.  They can execute such an emergency block size “QE” if you will, at a moments notice.  They have demonstratively done this kind of deployment before, during the one previous hard fork, and with the F2Pool bug.  So what is the rush?

http://wallstreettechnologist.com/2015/08/19/bitcoin-xt-vs-core-blocksize-limit-the-schism-that-divides-us-all/

The rush is that there is something that Gavin and Mike are hiding. They are trying to get this fork pushed through under the guise of bigger blocks, but what's the real update they are hiding? Is it a blacklist?

Perhaps a government entity approached the "chief scientist" of bitcoin with an offer he could not refuse. Something along the lines of "get us in and we'll make sure you or your children will never have to work again". Sounds like a spy movie? Truth is stranger than fiction, and certain folks have A LOT to lose if bitcoin succeeds.

What about this:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2014/02/04/challenge-vulnerable-code.aspx
http://www.underhanded-c.org/_p_26.html

Or my idea before I read about this contest:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=638297.0

[mayax]

Nick Szabo is asking the same:

If it seems like the limit is getting hit persistently, and confirmation times are becoming a problem, an emergency limit increase is something that the core devs can patch very simply and quickly.  They can execute such an emergency block size “QE” if you will, at a moments notice.  They have demonstratively done this kind of deployment before, during the one previous hard fork, and with the F2Pool bug.  So what is the rush?

http://wallstreettechnologist.com/2015/08/19/bitcoin-xt-vs-core-blocksize-limit-the-schism-that-divides-us-all/

The rush is that there is something that Gavin and Mike are hiding. They are trying to get this fork pushed through under the guise of bigger blocks, but what's the real update they are hiding? Is it a blacklist?

Perhaps a government entity approached the "chief scientist" of bitcoin with an offer he could not refuse. Something along the lines of "get us in and we'll make sure you or your children will never have to work again". Sounds like a spy movie? Truth is stranger than fiction, and certain folks have A LOT to lose if bitcoin succeeds.

true.

[gravitate]

Bitcoin can never succeed as its not fair enough. However some form of fair block chain tech will wipe out the banking system as soon as the dumb couch potatoe bank loving brainwashed losers try and think for themselves.
Ah thats my rant over for the day.

To fork or not to fork: that is the question

[chek2fire]

Who he thinks he are Gavin and act like this? I think bitcoin no need him anymore and i think he has a big idea for himself. Bitcoin can survive without him and can continue to act with his stupid decisions.

[hdbuck]