Butterfly Labs invests heavily in high speed production equipment

[Jack1Rip1BurnIt]

I don't know why you think that not believing everything we hear from BFL labs makes us some crazies or conspiracy theorists. Its usually safer to question things when something looks fishy. I did when I seen that the photos did not look like they were taken at the same place. Different lighting, different flooring, different quality photos, on top of the fact that a usual scam technique is to steal pictures off other websites and call them your own. And I'm using the information I found and lowering my possibility of their release. I used to have gigaming shares to hedge the release of BFL asic, now (conveniently) I didn't think it was necessary any longer and sold them. A true conspiracy theorist would say that bfl products don't exist at all.

WTF is wrong with all these people!? I swear I have met the weirdest bunch of freaking weirdos ever since I have started participating in this community. Like I said before, some of you guys seriously beat the XBOX live crowd hands down and that is really saying something because their are some messed up people in that particular community so you freaks deserve a cookie of something.
Anyways, why do you care whether Butterfly Labs is big or small, clean or dirty, LLC or Sole proprietorship? Why would any of these things matter? Why would you waste your life away on investigating useless conspiracies as these? I don't even own a BFL product yet(I wish I owned 5 singles for the last 5 months), and I could care less how clean the owner's ass is after he wipes it or how many times he shakes his pecker after he takes a leak! Would any of this shit affect my hashrate and therefore would it affect my profit? Hell No! So STFU and Get over it! I don't care if homosexual pornos are being made just on the other side of the production warehouse as long as no bodily fluids make contact with my product I'm ok with whatever goes on there. Shouldn't delivery, performance, and warranty be the only concerns we have? Btw superfastkyle, didn't you just say you were over it yesterday? What has changed since then? Just sayin

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[fcmatt]

I don't know why you think that not believing everything we hear from BFL labs makes us some crazies or conspiracy theorists. Its usually safer to question things when something looks fishy. I did when I seen that the photos did not look like they were taken at the same place. Different lighting, different flooring, different quality photos, on top of the fact that a usual scam technique is to steal pictures off other websites and call them your own. And I'm using the information I found and lowering my possibility of their release. I used to have gigaming shares to hedge the release of BFL asic, now (conveniently) I didn't think it was necessary any longer and sold them. A true conspiracy theorist would say that bfl products don't exist at all.

WTF is wrong with all these people!? I swear I have met the weirdest bunch of freaking weirdos ever since I have started participating in this community. Like I said before, some of you guys seriously beat the XBOX live crowd hands down and that is really saying something because their are some messed up people in that particular community so you freaks deserve a cookie of something.
Anyways, why do you care whether Butterfly Labs is big or small, clean or dirty, LLC or Sole proprietorship? Why would any of these things matter? Why would you waste your life away on investigating useless conspiracies as these? I don't even own a BFL product yet(I wish I owned 5 singles for the last 5 months), and I could care less how clean the owner's ass is after he wipes it or how many times he shakes his pecker after he takes a leak! Would any of this shit affect my hashrate and therefore would it affect my profit? Hell No! So STFU and Get over it! I don't care if homosexual pornos are being made just on the other side of the production warehouse as long as no bodily fluids make contact with my product I'm ok with whatever goes on there. Shouldn't delivery, performance, and warranty be the only concerns we have? Btw superfastkyle, didn't you just say you were over it yesterday? What has changed since then? Just sayin

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This is why bitcoin seems to have a never ending line of suckers to fall into the next scam.

[Inaba]

Have you tried to actually do this before? From the way your talking to me, either you have done it and it failed (for some reason?) or you haven't and aren't willing to try.

Yes, yes we have.  There is no amount of proof or information that will satisfy people.  Keep reading as to why.

I only know that one of your former products allegedly under performed and didn't live up to expectations. So I understand that angst in "these people". Beyond that, considering you have actually delivered products before to a market....why do you guys have such an incredibly bad reputation? Your company suffers from a very bad image seemingly beyond that bad product launch.

Yes, one of the first FPGA products out, before people understood the unique requirements that bitcoin puts on integrated circuits that you don't find in basically any other industry.

People are doubting that you guys are even a legitimate company. Why don't you hire someone to do the PR work to turn it around? Or at least provide the contradictory evidence that forces naysayers to back down?

Just like they doubted it before, but low and behold, here we are.  We are even shipping thousands of products and people still doubt it.  So no, no amount of "proof" would be enough.

The people behind Avalon seem to have also delivered products to market as you have. They don't face anywhere near the same scrutiny and PR problems that your company does. Why is that? You might have a ton of orders but anytime anything [even tiny things] goes wrong it will just add to the bad PR.

Because their marketshare is about 1% of ours.  It's easy to make everyone happy when you are dealing in small quantities of orders.

Don't get mad, hire some professional, figure out what you can do to clean up that pervasive image of your company and solicit the help of forums Admins to intervene if someone says something which is verifiably false.

So here's where you really go wrong in your assumptions.  There is no amount of PR that will satisfy the people on these forums.  Nothing.  They like to troll, no matter what the occasion.  It's like a national pastime.  The forum admins will not (and nor should they) intervene when someone says something verifiably false, because that would cut the forum chatter down to a mere trickle.  Most people posting the conspiracy theories or all the negativity are posting verifiably false information.  You can go and point out where every single point someone makes is false, show them complete documentations as to why it's false, give them mathematical proofs that are undisputed the world over, but it makes no difference.  

There is very little point in engaging with the Bitcoin Talk community, unless it's for entertainment value.  The signal to noise ratio and troll to user ratio is so extreme as to make it virtually useless.

Your company [BFL] looks like it has a lot more business and orders in its pipeline than any other. But after reading through the community your bad PR has "scared me away" from placing an order. If too many people are saying there is something wrong, then there is probably something to it. <---That is the pervasive impression I got.

Totally understandable from reading these forums.  As I said, if you get anything but entertainment value from the forums you are being mislead.

Imagine that, I am going to buy from some company in CHINA...than feel confident in a company closer to home. That is the state of things from my corner.

We'll be glad to sell you a profitable product when your new instantly unprofitable one shows up and you decide it's not worth your time to pay more in electricity than it earns, just let us know.

To someone whom is seeing and reading that inundation of bad PR [whether it be true or actually very false and baseless], what does a lifetime of warranty and higher performance rating actually mean if most everyone is constantly hammering on about how many bad points BFL has? You would have to either own BFL hardware and by virtue of experience know of the reliability OR trust in what others have said.

Exactly.  The signal to noise ratio is to high here, you can't make an accurate assessment of the situation.  However, the vast majority of the people who own BFL products are very happy with them.  Strange, that would surely be, if what your read on these forums is true, no?  

Beside, everyone loves to hate on the "king of the hill" as it were.

It makes it feel more like "a gamble" with 1.3k (or equivalent bitcoins) than it really should be. I want to buy from your company what I need for mining. But damn, considering what has been the focus of things, it makes it feel much more risky than it actually probably is.

Then stop reading these forums, because you won't get any actual content unless you know how to sift through the garbage and 99% of it is garbage.  Good luck.

When you sift through all the crap, here's the crux of the problem people have with BFL:

BFL won't tell it's secrets. BFL is not open about everything they do.  In no other industry would this be considered abnormal... but here apparently keeping trade secrets is a cardinal sin.  Well, when you're talking about millions of dollars of investment at risk for revealing those secrets, well then, it's just too bad.  

People just HATE the fact that we seem to be able to do things no one else can with our hardware (even now, our FPGA miners are the fastest, cheapest mining devices available.).  The ASICs only make this even more pronounced and that makes people crazy because we won't reveal the magic behind it. (It's unicorn blood, BTW).

[Jack1Rip1BurnIt]

Exactly what that guy just said

[BFL-Engineer]

They could kill tons of rumors just with that alone. (Please include any Exif Data and original file names!)

You must be new here, so let me answer this for you:  No it wouldn't.

Yes, I am new to this community.

Have you tried to actually do this before? From the way your talking to me, either you have done it and it failed (for some reason?) or you haven't and aren't willing to try.

Do you have a PR person? [a Professional]

I only know that one of your former products allegedly under performed and didn't live up to expectations. So I understand that angst in "these people". Beyond that, considering you have actually delivered products before to a market....why do you guys have such an incredibly bad reputation? Your company suffers from a very bad image seemingly beyond that bad product launch.

People are doubting that you guys are even a legitimate company. Why don't you hire someone to do the PR work to turn it around? Or at least provide the contradictory evidence that forces naysayers to back down?

I am going to be asking the exact same question of Avalon. I expect they will be forthcoming about their operation.

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The people behind Avalon seem to have also delivered products to market as you have. They don't face anywhere near the same scrutiny and PR problems that your company does. Why is that? You might have a ton of orders but anytime anything [even tiny things] goes wrong it will just add to the bad PR.

Don't get mad, hire some professional, figure out what you can do to clean up that pervasive image of your company and solicit the help of forums Admins to intervene if someone says something which is verifiably false.

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Full Disclosure: I am buying one of the Avalon Units. Originally, before I surfed this forum, I considered BFL the best option. Yet after reading through the forum I have decided to go with a company who users are less wary of. (A positive reputation)

Your company [BFL] looks like it has a lot more business and orders in its pipeline than any other. But after reading through the community your bad PR has "scared me away" from placing an order. If too many people are saying there is something wrong, then there is probably something to it. <---That is the pervasive impression I got.

Imagine that, I am going to buy from some company in CHINA...than feel confident in a company closer to home. That is the state of things from my corner.

If something [further] goes wrong in one of BFLs products what does that solidify in my mind?

To someone whom is seeing and reading that inundation of bad PR [whether it be true or actually very false and baseless], what does a lifetime of warranty and higher performance rating actually mean if most everyone is constantly hammering on about how many bad points BFL has? You would have to either own BFL hardware and by virtue of experience know of the reliability OR trust in what others have said.

It makes it feel more like "a gamble" with 1.3k (or equivalent bitcoins) than it really should be. I want to buy from your company what I need for mining. But damn, considering what has been the focus of things, it makes it feel much more risky than it actually probably is.

I am going to the company in China simply because they have a better reputation (or lack thereof). (even if it is baseless)

That is a very messed up situation!

Hello PuertoLibre,

I usually don't respond to unfriendly posts, but I need to address it every once in a while. As much as we respect BitcoinTalk fourm, for unknown reasons, there is a rumor-generator
about us in this forum. This machine is fully plugged and does not seem to stop. Every time we address an issue ( accusation, rumor etc ), it takes maybe 15 minutes until the next
rumor/conspiracy theory shows up. As a result we've given up paying attention to them. If this was to end at some point, we would've done our best to get to that point.

I personally believe that it's because we came up with a revolutionary product. It forced many GPU miners to convert, also created a risk for their business. Not all GPU miners were happy
about it and a number of them started to hate us. The other portion of the rumors appear to be arranged in some way, intended to attack Butterfly Labs. Speculation is also not uncommon,
as it's the nature of human and society to enjoy evaluating and examining both real and imaginary situations.


Regards,
Nasser

[Bogart]

Do you have a PR person? [a Professional]

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People are doubting that you guys are even a legitimate company. Why don't you hire someone to do the PR work to turn it around?

Many of you on bitcointalk.org forums know me as “Inaba,” the operator of the Eclipse Mining Consortium bitcoin pool.  In approximately two weeks I will also be wearing a different hat.  As you may be able to guess from my new forum name, I will be working with and for BFL.  Effective August 13, 2012 I have accepted the position of Chief Operating Officer of BF Labs INC. (Butterfly Labs)

BFL is the clear technical leader in the FPGA and upcoming ASIC mining space.  As a direct result, the company has grown very quickly over the past year.  Unfortunately, its customer service, which was initially very good, did not scale fast enough, which caused customer relations and transparency to suffer. BFL is eager to improve and one of my top responsibilities in this new position is to focus on that specific issue.  I am, have always been and will always be committed to good customer service and transparency when it comes to bitcoin in general and the daily operations of related activities.  This is where I will be focusing much of my initial attention...

[squid]

I don't know why you think that not believing everything we hear from BFL labs makes us some crazies or conspiracy theorists. Its usually safer to question things when something looks fishy. I did when I seen that the photos did not look like they were taken at the same place. Different lighting, different flooring, different quality photos, on top of the fact that a usual scam technique is to steal pictures off other websites and call them your own. And I'm using the information I found and lowering my possibility of their release. I used to have gigaming shares to hedge the release of BFL asic, now (conveniently) I didn't think it was necessary any longer and sold them. A true conspiracy theorist would say that bfl products don't exist at all.

WTF is wrong with all these people!? I swear I have met the weirdest bunch of freaking weirdos ever since I have started participating in this community. Like I said before, some of you guys seriously beat the XBOX live crowd hands down and that is really saying something because their are some messed up people in that particular community so you freaks deserve a cookie of something.
Anyways, why do you care whether Butterfly Labs is big or small, clean or dirty, LLC or Sole proprietorship? Why would any of these things matter? Why would you waste your life away on investigating useless conspiracies as these? I don't even own a BFL product yet(I wish I owned 5 singles for the last 5 months), and I could care less how clean the owner's ass is after he wipes it or how many times he shakes his pecker after he takes a leak! Would any of this shit affect my hashrate and therefore would it affect my profit? Hell No! So STFU and Get over it! I don't care if homosexual pornos are being made just on the other side of the production warehouse as long as no bodily fluids make contact with my product I'm ok with whatever goes on there. Shouldn't delivery, performance, and warranty be the only concerns we have? Btw superfastkyle, didn't you just say you were over it yesterday? What has changed since then? Just sayin

If BFL stopped being so shady with how they present their information then there would be significantly less conspiracy theorists. BFL seriously needs to hire a PR person whose head isn't up their ass.

[Inaba]

See that's the thing, most industries don't even provide information. We provide some and somehow it's "shady."  Whatever.

You'd be bitching and moaning if it didn't provide the information.  You're bitching and moaning because we do provide the information.  No win all the way around.

[squeept]

I demand proof that Inaba actually exists.

[squid]

See that's the thing, most industries don't even provide information. We provide some and somehow it's "shady."  Whatever.

You'd be bitching and moaning if it didn't provide the information.  You're bitching and moaning because we do provide the information.  No win all the way around.

The latest (ie copying images from ebay auctions) is just the latest of half truths that only hurt BFL reputation rather than their intended effect.

1. http://bitcoinmagazine.net/butterfly-labs-offers-lifetime-warranty-asic-competition-surges-on/

Images from an ebay list, it just doesn't make sense.. obviously people are going to be suspicious when they saw this. Why wouldn't you just wait for the equipment to be arrived and set up? This is once again trying to be deceitful with PR tactics to benefit your company. Pre-order rate slowing down due to backlog? Let's just give lifetime warranty and talk about our high speed infrastructure that shows we can pump out ASICs quickly in an attempt to increase the preorder rate. Had you not been called out, BFL I'm sure would not have said these were recently purchased and are currently in transit rather than pretending like the fab infrastructure was already in place.

2. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/16-Announcement-BFL-ASIC-Release-specifications

Going over this post, BFL tries very hard to make it seem like devices are actually made without actually saying devices are made. Speed and power figures are given, but in reality are probably just estimates based on simulations, not actual figures. If an actual device was made surely you would have better proof than (for example) pasting an image of the FPGA single on your upgrade page or posting just renders of housings.

Second, the "firmware" upgrade logic to be honest doesn't really make sense. A 50% performance boost just by upgrading firmware? People reading this will obviously be suspicious, my speculation is that you are simply adding more chips than previously estimated to keep your devices competitive, but of course you can't say that since you are trying to make people think you have a working prototype (which in all likelyhood doesn't exist, and won't exist until we see actual devices).


It's things like that, that any person with half a brain can see as "fishy" (not I didn't say scam) that hurt BFL's reputation.

[Inaba]

Second, the "firmware" upgrade logic to be honest doesn't really make sense. A 50% performance boost just by upgrading firmware? People reading this will obviously be suspicious, my speculation is that you are simply adding more chips than previously estimated to keep your devices competitive, but of course you can't say that since you are trying to make people think you have a working prototype (which in all likelyhood doesn't exist, and won't exist until we see actual devices).

Our board has always had 8 chips (or space for 8, depending on the product).  That has not changed.  Your tinfoil hat bullshit is wearing thin.

You are a perfect example of why people are never happy.  "Tell us everything you do as you're doing it."  

So we do.  "Oh shit you are lying because they are eBay pictures!"

Don't tell us until it's actually ready.  "Oh shit!  You are lying because if you actually were making these things, you'd show us where you're at right now!"

Heh.  Thanks for illustrating my point so nicely.

[squid]

Our board has always had 8 chips (or space for 8, depending on the product).  That has not changed.  Your tinfoil hat bullshit is wearing thin.

Great non-answer. How about being more specific. Were initial estimates based on having 8 chips in the sc for example or was that increased to remain competitive? I am still calling bullshit on the "firmware upgrade" story.

So we do.  "Oh shit you are lying because they are eBay pictures!"

I am not saying you guys are lying. I am saying you are being deceitful with half truths. Had no one called you out you guys would have continued to portray it as if you had this system set up and operational when in reality it was just purchased.

Don't tell us until it's actually ready.  "Oh shit!  You are lying because if you actually were making these things, you'd show us where you're at right now!"

I have no doubt that BFL with eventually release a product. What I don't like is deliberate misinformation designed to make it SEEM like you are farther along than you actually are. This is especially the case with the piss poor attempts I gave above.

That type of tactic is what is actually hurting BFL's reputation. You think all the crackpots screaming "scam", or "vaporware" or whatever is hurting your rep, but it isn't.

What is hurting the reputation of BFL is the deliberate spread of misinformation designed to make you guys seem farther along in manufacturing these guys than reality.

[superfastkyle]

Btw superfastkyle, didn't you just say you were over it yesterday? What has changed since then? Just sayin

I guess I didn't make myself clear, I'm over trying to change minds/argue. When people can't find facts to argue with you is usually when they switch to name calling. But your calling people crazy that you don't know. Some people like to know as much as they can when they are investing in a company, because that's basically what bfl customers are, investors. I had initially considered becoming one back when they started preorders, but still I like to know info because it effects my business and my future profitability. Its obvious that there are people on both sides whose mind will not change no matter what evidence to the contrary. If I do find something peculiar in new information given by BFL I might post it but from now on its gonna be in a strictly factual tone and let people make their own assumptions. I understand people have a lot of money riding on this and its making people crazy.

[The-Real-Link]

Our board has always had 8 chips (or space for 8, depending on the product).  That has not changed.  Your tinfoil hat bullshit is wearing thin.

What is hurting the reputation of BFL is the deliberate spread of misinformation designed to make you guys seem farther along in manufacturing these guys than reality.

Then guess what?  Wait.  Either by them releasing no product or them eventually releasing a product with specs, you win.  

No other hardware manufacturer releases the kinds of information this forum asks for until their product is ready.  You might get a leaked GPU shot from China but all chip vendors release general figures, and then a presentation upon when the product is final.

I understand the difference between cautious vs complacent, but again, don't like it?  Don't order.  Done.

Don't get me wrong.  I understand the paranoia of wanting to know how everything is coming along when lots of funds are on the line.  But since any company for good reason can't tell you everything, you'll have to evaluate for yourself as to if BFL is a good investment for you.  Many here so far feel it is.  If you don't feel it fits your requirements for peace of mind, go somewhere else.

[Kontakt]

Well, I haven't put down any money for a Jalapeno specifically because of all these rumors. I don't necessarily distrust BFL, but all these rumors make me nervous. Especially the way anyone who represents BFL seems to treat it, with a mix of condescension and irritation. This is exactly the same way of talking I remember from high school when you would call out a braggart. Inaba says they've tried to assuage the doubters, but I've never seen a post-production picture of a  Jalapeno, at least, not to my knowledge, and the BFL labs page just seems a bit sterile. The drivers page lists off those other drivers, but they don't do anything. It seems shady when combined with all those other things that keep popping up. It just makes me nervous.

What you guys REALLY need is a complete disclosure thread, where the posters are limited to BFL people, and you can post all of your legitimate information there, with all these attempts you said you made, photographs of the office, etc, where you can refer anyone who wants to know about you guys. I mean, it could only help.

[squid]

Our board has always had 8 chips (or space for 8, depending on the product).  That has not changed.  Your tinfoil hat bullshit is wearing thin.

What is hurting the reputation of BFL is the deliberate spread of misinformation designed to make you guys seem farther along in manufacturing these guys than reality.

Then guess what?  Wait.  Either by them releasing no product or them eventually releasing a product with specs, you win.  

No other hardware manufacturer releases the kinds of information this forum asks for until their product is ready.  You might get a leaked GPU shot from China but all chip vendors release general figures, and then a presentation upon when the product is final.

I understand the difference between cautious vs complacent, but again, don't like it?  Don't order.  Done.

Don't get me wrong.  I understand the paranoia of wanting to know how everything is coming along when lots of funds are on the line.  But since any company for good reason can't tell you everything, you'll have to evaluate for yourself as to if BFL is a good investment for you.  Many here so far feel it is.  If you don't feel it fits your requirements for peace of mind, go somewhere else.

I am merely trying to explain to Josh (and the rest of BFL) why they are seeing so many people call them and be suspicious (esp with a community with so many scammers). It's a direct results of their actions and poor PR.

[superfastkyle]

The problem was is too many people were willing to put thousands of dollars on the line for lots of gigahashes, with absolutely no proof. Now with the recent large bitcoin scams they realize its possible they made a mistake. They either get defensive or they crave for any evidence they can find. This should have been done more like a kickstarter project. Problem is, BFL is not AMD, they aren't Apple. They aren't a publicly traded company and therefore don't have much backing them to make sure a good product is released. That's why they should release as much info as they can.

I thought building an asic rig was a huge multimillion dollar project, now are they are afraid of giving out secrets to their competitors?

Our board has always had 8 chips (or space for 8, depending on the product).  That has not changed.  Your tinfoil hat bullshit is wearing thin.

What is hurting the reputation of BFL is the deliberate spread of misinformation designed to make you guys seem farther along in manufacturing these guys than reality.

Then guess what?  Wait.  Either by them releasing no product or them eventually releasing a product with specs, you win.  

No other hardware manufacturer releases the kinds of information this forum asks for until their product is ready.  You might get a leaked GPU shot from China but all chip vendors release general figures, and then a presentation upon when the product is final.

I understand the difference between cautious vs complacent, but again, don't like it?  Don't order.  Done.

Don't get me wrong.  I understand the paranoia of wanting to know how everything is coming along when lots of funds are on the line.  But since any company for good reason can't tell you everything, you'll have to evaluate for yourself as to if BFL is a good investment for you.  Many here so far feel it is.  If you don't feel it fits your requirements for peace of mind, go somewhere else.

[fcmatt]

Bfl would not be allowed on kickstarter now days due to not having a working demo. Kickstarter got tired of this crap.

[PuertoLibre]

Well, I haven't put down any money for a Jalapeno specifically because of all these rumors. I don't necessarily distrust BFL, but all these rumors make me nervous. Especially the way anyone who represents BFL seems to treat it, with a mix of condescension and irritation. This is exactly the same way of talking I remember from high school when you would call out a braggart. Inaba says they've tried to assuage the doubters, but I've never seen a post-production picture of a  Jalapeno, at least, not to my knowledge, and the BFL labs page just seems a bit sterile. The drivers page lists off those other drivers, but they don't do anything. It seems shady when combined with all those other things that keep popping up. It just makes me nervous.

I too became nervous after reading through a number of threads. I understand where you are coming from.

What you guys REALLY need is a complete disclosure thread, where the posters are limited to BFL people, and you can post all of your legitimate information there, with all these attempts you said you made, photographs of the office, etc, where you can refer anyone who wants to know about you guys. I mean, it could only help.

+1 Sounds like a good idea.

If you have to read through the "BS" as stated, it would be hard for anyone looking to invest in hardware not to become ultimately nervous.

BFL is making ASICs, I imagine that is harder than they let on. There are bound to be delays and issues in any first gen product due to various conditions they (or any company for that matter) might face. I believe they have enough capital to make it happen. Surely they have the bulk of the orders as of Early October.

I have been looking at the discussion and most of the issues of doubt are either centered around the feasibility of the product being made or of general ignorance of where the product is at in terms of Assembly, ASIC yields, Power design issues AND final Prototype/evaluation models performance.

Consider it from the other side of the screen that Inaba and BFL_Engineer have all the knowledge over all of these processes but they can't say for one reason or another. Be it financial or because there might be any number of hiccups or design changes that might delay the final stages before shipment. IF we can live within the idea that there are strategic or financial advantages to not reveal this information to specific parties then it sounds reasonable that they wouldn't do this.

Then we should then ask them what they can tell us that would assist us in making a purchase or not.

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Inaba just told us there are 8 chips per module or board. We know he just stated that some models might only have 1.

So that begs the question, is he talking about the (formerly) 40Gh model or was he talking about the (formerly) 1Th model? Which has all 8? Which has just 1?

Is the 1 chip system he talks about the (formerly) 3.5 model? Or is it the 40?

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If he is talking about a 3.5 having only 1 chip and the 8 belongs to a 40...then:

3.5Gh X 8 = 28Gh
4.0Gh X 8 = 32Gh
4.5Gh X 8 = 36Gh
5.0Gh X 8 = 40Gh
5.5Gh X 8 = 44Gh
6.0Gh X 8 = 48Gh
6.5Gh X 8 = 52Gh
7.0Gh X 8 = 56Gh
7.5Gh X 8 = 60Gh
8.0Gh X 8 = 64Gh

(Clockrate -> unknown)

Perhaps their ASICs are overclockable/underclockable? (I Don't know much of ASIC technology)

[squid]

Is the 1 chip system he talks about the (formerly) 3.5 model? Or is it the 40?

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If he is talking about a 3.5 having only 1 chip and the 8 belongs to a 40...then:

3.5Gh X 8 = 28Gh
4.0Gh X 8 = 32Gh
4.5Gh X 8 = 36Gh
5.0Gh X 8 = 40Gh
5.5Gh X 8 = 44Gh
6.0Gh X 8 = 48Gh
6.5Gh X 8 = 52Gh
7.0Gh X 8 = 56Gh
7.5Gh X 8 = 60Gh
8.0Gh X 8 = 64Gh

(Clockrate -> unknown)

Perhaps their ASICs are overclockable/underclockable? (I Don't know much of ASIC technology)

So.. does a 40% increase in clock rate sound reasonable? Especially considering their constraints around temperature and power?