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Can we be sure that Google are not "too big to discredit"? Could Bitcoin endorsement really damage them that much?
I'm not so sure it's a matter of "too big to discredit", more just a buisiness decision, it might not make business sense to accept bitcoin for anything right now. What, like their almost certainly loss-making, free-at-point-of-use video streaming service? That sort of business case? You mean youtube, one of the most profitable businesses ever made? That's them. Convince me the profits came from their business model, I'm genuinely interested to find out. Has anyone ever clicked on a Google Ad? Not accidentally, but because it really was what your were looking for? It has happened to me, and I can count the number of times on one hand. I think I'm fairly typical in this respect. Does that really sound like the business model that generated one of the most profitable businesses ever? Not all ads are pay-per-click, some are on a model where you pay per so many, usually 1 thousand impressions (views)
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August 21, 2015, 05:54:56 PM |
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I guess Google doesn't like BTC because it doesn't control it. I'm pretty sure they're working on their own crypto solution. I'm expecting them to launch some kind of Apple pay or Samsung pay competitor. The huge risk to BTC is that they could make it as a native app in Android.
That would just be a payment system and nothing else. There's already a ton of those. All of these 'bitcoin' killers tend to all end up being yet another type of tokenisation. None of them make the final leap to being a standalone currency which is where all the benefits spring from.
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August 21, 2015, 06:05:59 PM |
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Can we be sure that Google are not "too big to discredit"? Could Bitcoin endorsement really damage them that much?
I'm not so sure it's a matter of "too big to discredit", more just a buisiness decision, it might not make business sense to accept bitcoin for anything right now. What, like their almost certainly loss-making, free-at-point-of-use video streaming service? That sort of business case? You mean youtube, one of the most profitable businesses ever made? That's them. Convince me the profits came from their business model, I'm genuinely interested to find out. Has anyone ever clicked on a Google Ad? Not accidentally, but because it really was what your were looking for? It has happened to me, and I can count the number of times on one hand. I think I'm fairly typical in this respect. Does that really sound like the business model that generated one of the most profitable businesses ever? Not all ads are pay-per-click, some are on a model where you pay per so many, usually 1 thousand impressions (views) So, imagine you're running your own business (maybe you do already). Would you pay Google the going rate for that type of advertising, bearing in mind the behaviour of a typical user? (i.e. variously ignoring the ads while they try to scan the page for the information they were actually trying to find?)
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August 21, 2015, 06:07:34 PM |
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Think of ads you see on sites. If you're interested on something, are you more likely to click the ad, or to google it later? You're paying for people to see the ad, and give them thoughts.
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August 21, 2015, 06:34:58 PM |
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Think of ads you see on sites. If you're interested on something, are you more likely to click the ad, or to google it later? You're paying for people to see the ad, and give them thoughts.
How much would you pay to advertise your business that way? I would want it to be rock bottom cheap, because there's no definitive way of determining if you gained more custom that way.
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August 21, 2015, 06:45:09 PM |
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i`m verry positive for that ..i thinnk it only takes one step
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August 21, 2015, 08:02:54 PM |
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Can you imagine what could mean for ANY cryptocurrency when Google would declare to be integrating one in its systems? That would probably mean a 300% value boom in few days.
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August 21, 2015, 08:49:46 PM |
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I guess Google doesn't like BTC because it doesn't control it. I'm pretty sure they're working on their own crypto solution. I'm expecting them to launch some kind of Apple pay or Samsung pay competitor. The huge risk to BTC is that they could make it as a native app in Android.
They already have Google Wallet, that's their solution. Have you really never heard of it? I heard about it. It explains everything.
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August 21, 2015, 09:02:44 PM |
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Google is probably in secret constructing their next gen crypto while they send in Mike Hearn to finish Bitcoin off so when googlecoin comes to market it'll have less competition. Just a wild guess connecting dots.
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August 21, 2015, 11:50:36 PM |
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Can you imagine what could mean for ANY cryptocurrency when Google would declare to be integrating one in its systems? That would probably mean a 300% value boom in few days.
Bitcoin takes positive news in its stride these days. Gone are the days when positive news would make Bitcoin's price shoot up. Even when companies like Dell started accepting bitcoins, its price hardly moved. I expect Google will be no different.
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August 22, 2015, 12:07:23 AM |
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they simple wait Gavin and hearn to break it
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August 22, 2015, 01:53:16 AM |
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Mike is working on their behalf.. not to worry
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September 21, 2015, 10:46:03 PM |
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Didn't i read somewhere that hearn worked for google before he switched to his current company? I think he might be the one to ask about the plans google has with bitcoins. Where is my tin foil hat... a there... fits perfectly... Maybe he did not leave google at all and still gets paid by them and he pushes all the stupid things because google wants it to or even the nsa forces google to comply with their wishes... Enough tinfoil now. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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September 21, 2015, 10:48:48 PM |
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They may be quiet about Bitcoin, but they were not completely quiet about crypto. I remember that for April 1st, 2014, when Dogecoin had very good times, they were "hiring" "Software Dogengineer". If you are familiar with Dogecoin "way of writing" you'll find it in Google's announcement. So my conclusion is that if they were so quiet indeed about Bitcoin.. it is rather strange. I remember answering a survey by Google about bitcoin, it was something like "What do you want us to do with bitcoin?".
Ah, so they were not so quiet after all. Thanks! This employment ad is hilarious. I think it really must be fun to work for google. I saw documentations about their working space and i can see why a job at google is so treasured.
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September 21, 2015, 10:51:24 PM |
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Here tinfoil hat theory ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) : Mike Hearn has been Google's mole in Bitcoin since the beginning. Not only are they very interested in it, they have plans to compromise it and eventually become one of the major node service provider after their agents manage to bloat the blockchain enough so that only them and a couple other major corporations can run it. Enjoy your morning! Damn... you got the exact same thought i had when i put my tinfoil hat on. But you know brother... the NSA is behind it... they force google to make hearn inplementing bad things like tor-block and tainting and so on... Oo
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September 21, 2015, 10:56:51 PM |
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Think of ads you see on sites. If you're interested on something, are you more likely to click the ad, or to google it later? You're paying for people to see the ad, and give them thoughts.
How much would you pay to advertise your business that way? I would want it to be rock bottom cheap, because there's no definitive way of determining if you gained more custom that way. There are ways of course. You can track, for example if a visitor coming from google ads is buying your product at the end. That's why you can live with the high priced ads and keywords. You optimize. Take the nonperformer out and leave the one that are cheap and converting. This way you turn your shop into profit. It's some kind of arbitrage but for sure it is not easy since market decides on the price per click. And there are professionals in the game who checked keys out way earlier. It's hard to be successfull that way.
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September 21, 2015, 10:59:00 PM |
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Can you imagine what could mean for ANY cryptocurrency when Google would declare to be integrating one in its systems? That would probably mean a 300% value boom in few days.
Unfortunately it would mean instant death for bitcoin. The 1MB blocksize limit only could handle a 100% raise in transactions. And something like this might easily bring more. And all the new users would learn that bitcoin is unreliable, slow and expensive while they sit for hours for their unconfirming transactions. No, google should wait until we have 8mb blocks. Otherwise the damage could be huge.
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September 21, 2015, 11:06:20 PM |
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Maybe I am wrong, and I hope to god I am because google integrating bitcoin even somehow would mean a massive jump in adoption.
Bitcoin can not become currency of masses due to its scarcity.Why would Google or any other business corporation endorse something which is limited to 'certain class of' people (read miners)? we need a different crypto for bitcoin is not for everyone
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September 21, 2015, 11:33:30 PM |
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Can you imagine what could mean for ANY cryptocurrency when Google would declare to be integrating one in its systems? That would probably mean a 300% value boom in few days.
Unfortunately it would mean instant death for bitcoin. The 1MB blocksize limit only could handle a 100% raise in transactions. And something like this might easily bring more. And all the new users would learn that bitcoin is unreliable, slow and expensive while they sit for hours for their unconfirming transactions. No, google should wait until we have 8mb blocks. Otherwise the damage could be huge. If there is a need, I am sure that the developers will quickly agree to increasing the block size. It has been done before. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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September 25, 2015, 01:26:30 PM |
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Can you imagine what could mean for ANY cryptocurrency when Google would declare to be integrating one in its systems? That would probably mean a 300% value boom in few days.
Unfortunately it would mean instant death for bitcoin. The 1MB blocksize limit only could handle a 100% raise in transactions. And something like this might easily bring more. And all the new users would learn that bitcoin is unreliable, slow and expensive while they sit for hours for their unconfirming transactions. No, google should wait until we have 8mb blocks. Otherwise the damage could be huge. If there is a need, I am sure that the developers will quickly agree to increasing the block size. It has been done before. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Maybe, but it is still a risk. And a unneded one. It is clear that we need bigger blocks when we want more transactions, which translates to more adoption. Either one wants this or not.
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