Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A)

[TelolettOm]

Sometimes a change of coach can have a positive effect on the mood of the team, but often such results are temporary. It’s still too early to evaluate De Rossi’s success, and it’s still too early to evaluate that Roma was able to get closer to the top 4, Fiorentina, Lazio and Bologna have one game in hand, and each of these teams has a chance to get ahead of Roma. But if Roma can continue to play this well then they will have enough time to climb into the top 4 as Atalanta is very close.

Precisely it can really give influence, both much better or worse. this change will depend on who the new coach and also what kind of coach he is. Also, it is about how the new coach will manage and train the squad exactly. We may always imagine that new couch will always brings fresh air and better result, but it will not guarantee.

However, in Roma's case here, it is exactly a good start for their new coach, Rossi. because, whatever it is, they have won the matches. Although we also know that those clubs are also not too difficult to defeat actually. But we can see from how Rossi manage the club, the tactic is quite different, moreover related to the lineup position. If Rossi really ahs the chance to be in Roma more that the temporary contract, I hope that he has the chances also to bring new more talented players to strengthen the squad. because, without it, it will be difficult to Rossi to make Roma much stronger.

[MarjorieZimmermanGinger]

I think maybe De Rossi because in the 2 matches they have played and won against bottom teams so it doesn't look like it's a big deal for them to win the match.
Indeed, at this time we are not worthy to give any assessment of De Rossi, let alone compare him.
So far, De Rossi has done his job well, but in the season which is still quite long, there will be many things for De Rossi to prove and can silence the many criticisms and doubts regarding De Rossi's coaching because he does not yet have sufficient experience.

I hope that De Rossi will be a differentiating figure for AS Roma because apart from being an AS Roma legend and he also has the responsibility to bring this club to compete in Serie A with other teams. Even though in the previous two matches they only faced weak teams, the coaching system made quite a lot of changes, where ball touches and attack patterns were much more measured and their defense also looked much better. The match against Inter Milan is the starting point for him and if he is able to hold Simone Inzaghi's men to a draw then his reputation will be even better because Inter Milan looks so strong now.

AS Roma has the opportunity to occupy fourth place in the standings if they are consistent in the next three matches because currently they are only one point behind Atalanta who are in the top four of the standings. De Rossi's task is not easy, but fans and management must give him the opportunity to prove himself and if that support is there then I am sure he can bring AS Roma to a much better finish than last season.

[Republikcoin.com]

Sometimes a change of coach can have a positive effect on the mood of the team, but often such results are temporary. It’s still too early to evaluate De Rossi’s success, and it’s still too early to evaluate that Roma was able to get closer to the top 4, Fiorentina, Lazio and Bologna have one game in hand, and each of these teams has a chance to get ahead of Roma. But if Roma can continue to play this well then they will have enough time to climb into the top 4 as Atalanta is very close.

Precisely it can really give influence, both much better or worse. this change will depend on who the new coach and also what kind of coach he is. Also, it is about how the new coach will manage and train the squad exactly. We may always imagine that new couch will always brings fresh air and better result, but it will not guarantee.

However, in Roma's case here, it is exactly a good start for their new coach, Rossi. because, whatever it is, they have won the matches. Although we also know that those clubs are also not too difficult to defeat actually. But we can see from how Rossi manage the club, the tactic is quite different, moreover related to the lineup position. If Rossi really ahs the chance to be in Roma more that the temporary contract, I hope that he has the chances also to bring new more talented players to strengthen the squad. because, without it, it will be difficult to Rossi to make Roma much stronger.

Everything requires progress and what De Rossi has done is beyond what many people expected.
Initially, De Rossi was a little underestimated because he did not have flashy experience as a coach, but in the two matches that have been played, Roma can win regardless of the tactics that De Rossi uses, but the most important thing is the final result and that is quite satisfying.
But back to the beginning, we also can't conclude anything about De Rossi because it's still too early.
As far as I know, De Rossi's target given by Roma management is to enter the top 4 in the final standings and if that happens, management will extend De Rossi's contract.

[klidex]

 Sometimes a change of coach can have a positive effect on the mood of the team, but often such results are temporary. It’s still too early to evaluate De Rossi’s success, and it’s still too early to evaluate that Roma was able to get closer to the top 4, Fiorentina, Lazio and Bologna have one game in hand, and each of these teams has a chance to get ahead of Roma. But if Roma can continue to play this well then they will have enough time to climb into the top 4 as Atalanta is very close.

Regardless of what you say but at the moment the 2 wins that have been achieved in De Rosi's first 2 matches have been very good for Roma because at least they can make some changes after the departure of Jose Mourinho who was fired earlier and it has been very good for De Rosi.

Currently the situation of Roma although in the last 2 matches they can win but that does not mean they have to be complacent especially for De Rosi because they still have to continue to prove that they can be better with the conditions of the new coach and De Rosi can adapt well at the club.
As for this being temporary or not everything depends on De Rosi himself whether he is ultimately able or not to make changes and provide consistency for Roma for the rest of the season.

The two matches that Roma have won while being led by De Rossi have indeed produced satisfactory result because at least Roma continues to increase their total points so far, indeed this can still be said to be not completely satisfactory because De Rossi has just made his first debut as Roma coach and this is not It's an easy thing to build good chemistry between coaches and players. But if De Rossi is able to adapt quickly in Rome then he can also build a compact partnership and achieve success together and fight for a ticket to the Champions League next season.

Yes, Roma don't to be complacent now because there are still many matches left. Roma must appear impressive if they want to fight for the top 4 ranking because the difference in points between the clubs fighting for the top 4 is very thin and Fiorentina, Bologna and Atalanta are also fighting hard to continue to appear impressive in the every game and try hard not to lose points.

[bitcampaign]

De Rossi is having not good reputation, but he can do something special which will help him for having better things for his and his team future two wins bring some positive change and their test case is ahead while they will host Inter Milan.

He is a new coach and actually his reputation in my opinion is not a problem because indeed when talking about reputation until now we still can't talk much because he is a new coach, it's just that it's not about reputation issues but the confidence we have in him.

He is a new coach whose best previous experience is in Serie C with SPAL so it will take time for De Rosi to provide evidence because with what he showed at SPAL it was not a good thing but indeed for now we cannot discuss that as a benchmark because after all we only have to see now whether he is able to answer the trust or not.

If indeed Roma's performance is getting worse then he must be prepared to be blamed because his performance cannot bring Roma to a better direction but if his condition is stagnant or even better it clearly must remain appreciated because Management's decision to bring De Rosi is the right decision.

De Rossi is a former As Roma player so at least As Roma's style of play knows exactly what the Roma president wants, at least it has good experience for all players. Even though the results are yet to be seen De Rossi is at least able to achieve their 3rd consecutive win, that is an extraordinary achievement  My opinion is for De Rossi, even though De Rossi is still in his early years managing As Roma, at least it gives De Rossi a long opportunity to focus on the tactics he has so that the players can understand what the As Roma players want, because As Roma has attacking players.  who can be their mainstay, and their midfielders are also very good, but the problem in their defenders is that at least looking for defenders is the main thing for As Roma, in order to strengthen As Roma's defense from this season to next season.

[Xcode7]

The two matches that Roma have won while being led by De Rossi have indeed produced satisfactory result because at least Roma continues to increase their total points so far, indeed this can still be said to be not completely satisfactory because De Rossi has just made his first debut as Roma coach and this is not It's an easy thing to build good chemistry between coaches and players. But if De Rossi is able to adapt quickly in Rome then he can also build a compact partnership and achieve success together and fight for a ticket to the Champions League next season.

Yes, Roma don't to be complacent now because there are still many matches left. Roma must appear impressive if they want to fight for the top 4 ranking because the difference in points between the clubs fighting for the top 4 is very thin and Fiorentina, Bologna and Atalanta are also fighting hard to continue to appear impressive in the every game and try hard not to lose points.

Victory in De Rossi's first two matches as Roma coach was quite important, not only looking at the points they got, but it was also important to be able to increase the confidence of this team and also De Rossi so that he could build chemistry within the Roma team more easily and quickly. .

However, at this time it is still too early to assess De Rossi's performance, this season's journey is still quite long and they have to overcome many obstacles for De Rossi to achieve the target given by Roma management, namely being able to finish in the Champions League zone and also other difficult things. For De Rossi, this season's Serei A team has sufficient strength so it is quite difficult to compete.

[entertheabyss]

Victory in De Rossi's first two matches as Roma coach was quite important, not only looking at the points they got, but it was also important to be able to increase the confidence of this team and also De Rossi so that he could build chemistry within the Roma team more easily and quickly. .

However, at this time it is still too early to assess De Rossi's performance, this season's journey is still quite long and they have to overcome many obstacles for De Rossi to achieve the target given by Roma management, namely being able to finish in the Champions League zone and also other difficult things. For De Rossi, this season's Serei A team has sufficient strength so it is quite difficult to compete.

This is a tough season for AS Roma because they're no longer under the control of José Mourinho, rather they're in for new coach who's still not settle in the club. Daniele De Rossi is young enough to handle and also learn to adapt to the temporary system. AS Roma sacked a formed coach and brought in another excellent coach, the club's on track and doing everything possible to grab good points. The wins was top priority for the new coach because that alone stimulates his stands, he's no holding but bringing up the very best performance.

[babo]

To me, honestly, it seemed like a match that wasn't exactly dominated, and rather a little difficult
and Salernitana isn't a strong team (just look at their position in the standings, after all) so I don't know, I'm still a little skeptical towards the new coach, he certainly wants to win but that's not enough.

Roma did not dominate the match and Salernitana created more opportunities than Roma in the first half. Roma luckily got a penalty and Dybala converted it to a first goal for them. A second goal seems to help Roma to secure 3 points but they let Salernitana found one goal and after that they even faced with an equalizer from Salernitana.

Roma won but it is not an impressive and dominating match from Roma but 3 points are good for them to move forwards with positive sentiment and continue to race with some other clubs.

I then saw an excerpt of the match in one of the sports news programs, you're absolutely right
even from the statistics Salernitana played better, they won by pure luck, good for them. I hope that in the future he uses something more professional than luck (De Rossi I mean)
now is 2 win on 2 games

[legendbtc]

De Rossi is having not good reputation, but he can do something special which will help him for having better things for his and his team future two wins bring some positive change and their test case is ahead while they will host Inter Milan.

He is a new coach and actually his reputation in my opinion is not a problem because indeed when talking about reputation until now we still can't talk much because he is a new coach, it's just that it's not about reputation issues but the confidence we have in him.

He is a new coach whose best previous experience is in Serie C with SPAL so it will take time for De Rosi to provide evidence because with what he showed at SPAL it was not a good thing but indeed for now we cannot discuss that as a benchmark because after all we only have to see now whether he is able to answer the trust or not.

If indeed Roma's performance is getting worse then he must be prepared to be blamed because his performance cannot bring Roma to a better direction but if his condition is stagnant or even better it clearly must remain appreciated because Management's decision to bring De Rosi is the right decision.

De Rossi is a former As Roma player so at least As Roma's style of play knows exactly what the Roma president wants, at least it has good experience for all players. Even though the results are yet to be seen De Rossi is at least able to achieve their 3rd consecutive win, that is an extraordinary achievement  My opinion is for De Rossi, even though De Rossi is still in his early years managing As Roma, at least it gives De Rossi a long opportunity to focus on the tactics he has so that the players can understand what the As Roma players want, because As Roma has attacking players.  who can be their mainstay, and their midfielders are also very good, but the problem in their defenders is that at least looking for defenders is the main thing for As Roma, in order to strengthen As Roma's defense from this season to next season.

I don't understand how the AS Roma Board of Directors accepted to invite a less experienced coach, De Rossi, to replace tactical master Jose Mourinho. I know that's football. When things don't go well, the coach is the one who has to pay the price. Anyway, Roma is brighter with its new coach, De Rossi. The change has been effective so far as De Rossi has won both of his matches in charge in Serie A, defeating Verona and Salernitana by the same score of 2-1. De Rossi has what it takes to try a different style of football, which is what a club with aspirations like Roma is waiting for. Only time will tell whether AS Roma made the right decision or not. Hopefully, Roma fans will continue to support De Rossi and the players during this transition process.

[Jatiluhung]

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if Roma is able to withstand attacks from Inter and can share the score to end the match in a draw and if Roma can survive this is an early sign that De Rossi is almost successful in making a good contribution for Roma.

2 matches of As Roma with De Rossi got positive results. They won albeit with not much goal difference but it was a good start. Against Inter it takes place week 2 of February, before that they will play Cagliari. Of course Roma are favourites to win against Cagliari, but for Inter a draw is a pretty good result. There are rumours that Roma want to sign Kloop, but that's not certain. Since I've read Kloop will take a break for at least 1 year.

I also heard the rumours. But it would be great if Klopp came to AS Roma. Because De Rossi does not have a long contract at AS Roma. He will only coach AS Roma until this season ends. But if De Rossi turns out to be able to make AS Roma get a UCL ticket then I think there could be consideration that he will be re-elected as AS Roma coach which means De Rossi will have a new contract.
Klopp reportedly already feels that his energy is exhausted and he wants to rest for a season and will not accept offers from any club in that period. but plans can change. He could change his mind.

[Oluwa-btc]

De Rossi is having not good reputation, but he can do something special which will help him for having better things for his and his team future two wins bring some positive change and their test case is ahead while they will host Inter Milan.

He is a new coach and actually his reputation in my opinion is not a problem because indeed when talking about reputation until now we still can't talk much because he is a new coach, it's just that it's not about reputation issues but the confidence we have in him.

He is a new coach whose best previous experience is in Serie C with SPAL so it will take time for De Rosi to provide evidence because with what he showed at SPAL it was not a good thing but indeed for now we cannot discuss that as a benchmark because after all we only have to see now whether he is able to answer the trust or not.

If indeed Roma's performance is getting worse then he must be prepared to be blamed because his performance cannot bring Roma to a better direction but if his condition is stagnant or even better it clearly must remain appreciated because Management's decision to bring De Rosi is the right decision.

De Rossi is a former As Roma player so at least As Roma's style of play knows exactly what the Roma president wants, at least it has good experience for all players. Even though the results are yet to be seen De Rossi is at least able to achieve their 3rd consecutive win, that is an extraordinary achievement  My opinion is for De Rossi, even though De Rossi is still in his early years managing As Roma, at least it gives De Rossi a long opportunity to focus on the tactics he has so that the players can understand what the As Roma players want, because As Roma has attacking players.  who can be their mainstay, and their midfielders are also very good, but the problem in their defenders is that at least looking for defenders is the main thing for As Roma, in order to strengthen As Roma's defense from this season to next season.

I don't understand how the AS Roma Board of Directors accepted to invite a less experienced coach, De Rossi, to replace tactical master Jose Mourinho. I know that's football. When things don't go well, the coach is the one who has to pay the price. Anyway, Roma is brighter with its new coach, De Rossi. The change has been effective so far as De Rossi has won both of his matches in charge in Serie A, defeating Verona and Salernitana by the same score of 2-1. De Rossi has what it takes to try a different style of football, which is what a club with aspirations like Roma is waiting for. Only time will tell whether AS Roma made the right decision or not. Hopefully, Roma fans will continue to support De Rossi and the players during this transition process.

Yeah the change didn't go well to most of us here who famz Jose Mourinho, I won't forget to say that his tactics perhaps are old and outdated with the evolving attacking football we watch daily day after day.
Good debut which must have impacted on the second game he's already managed as a manager for As Roma. Maybe he can follow the footsteps of Xabi Alonso and take them in the European Europa League Competition. Qualifications for the Champions is one difficult one to see happening.

Two game two goals conceded then he'll have to work on his defensive tactics, Yeah they're going to score goals but you can't keep on conceding unnecessary goals.

[bering]

I don't understand how the AS Roma Board of Directors accepted to invite a less experienced coach, De Rossi, to replace tactical master Jose Mourinho. I know that's football. When things don't go well, the coach is the one who has to pay the price. Anyway, Roma is brighter with its new coach, De Rossi. The change has been effective so far as De Rossi has won both of his matches in charge in Serie A, defeating Verona and Salernitana by the same score of 2-1. De Rossi has what it takes to try a different style of football, which is what a club with aspirations like Roma is waiting for. Only time will tell whether AS Roma made the right decision or not. Hopefully, Roma fans will continue to support De Rossi and the players during this transition process.

There was no specific reason why Roma owner sacked Mourinho in the middle of competition but some people says Roma this season under Mourinho was dissapointing because they were eliminate by Lazio on Coppa Italy and Roma also unable reach to first place on group standings of Europa League and Roma too has suffering several defeat in Serie A at that time which make their position was dropped to 9th place and why De Rossi has chosen as Roma next manager this because he is the legend of this team and De Rossi know well this team but his contract will be expired at the end of this season and Roma will be evaluate his work during handle Roma and if De Rossi was failed to fulfill the expectation then most likely Roma will find new manager

Roma schedule is relatively easy since De Rossi handle this team because they only facing Verona and Salernitana but this is good start because Roma can able to beat all of those teams but we can't says Roma has significant progress under De Rossi because they still facing weak teams and next weekend too Roma will gets easy opponent Cagliari and most likely they will be able to win this match however Roma consistency will be tested when they will fight against Inter Milan next month and if De Rossi can able to beat Inter Milan i think he can be considers as the right manager for Roma

[HajiBagi]

Team	Point
Inter	54
Juve	53
Milan	46
Atalanta	36
Fiorentina	34
Lazio	34
Bologna	33
Roma	32
Napoli	32
Torino	31
Genoa	28
Monza	28
Frosinone	23
Lecce	21
Sassuolo	19
Verona	18
Udinese	18
Cagliari	18
Empoli	17
Salernitana	12

juventus, my beloved team do a draft and inter going up again.. but Inter played one game less

Though I don't have a favourite team in the serie A, I do like Juventus because of their consistent performance. This season, Juventus didn't give up on Inter Milan to win the title league, but I believe it will be extremely difficult for Juventus to take the top spot in the league table. The way Inter Milan is playing indicates that they are a team that doesn't give up, and based on their play, I don't think Inter Milan will lose to Juventus in the table league. However, Juventus can still make it to the champion league next season. However, it's possible that pure luck will have led to Juventus winning the league title. It's possible that Inter Milan, who is currently playing well, will make a mistake and lose a game that would have put Juventus in first place. But to be honest this season serie A league is very though than last season own.

[Majestic-milf]

 The difference between Inter Milan at the top of the log and Juventus at 2nd place is just one point and this means that Simone inzaghi and his men will have to put in more effort if they mean to end the season as the winners. Juve are really determined and hardworking this season and they too deserve a shot at the title because last season they went through a lot; fifteen point deduction and then points deduction next is enough to bring a club down but the Old Lady aren't having any of that. This goes to show that they are capable of handling any thing that comes their way and I'm sure it won't be a challenge of it comes to proving their readiness to win the title by beating inter if the fixtures ever come up.
 I feel the points gap between Inter and Juventus will be further widened if Inter wins their next game as it shows that they have one game for them to have an equal game tally of 22 with the others.

[Frankolala]

The difference between Inter Milan at the top of the log and Juventus at 2nd place is just one point and this means that Simone inzaghi and his men will have to put in more effort if they mean to end the season as the winners. Juve are really determined and hardworking this season and they too deserve a shot at the title because last season they went through a lot; fifteen point deduction and then points deduction next is enough to bring a club down but the Old Lady aren't having any of that. This goes to show that they are capable of handling any thing that comes their way and I'm sure it won't be a challenge of it comes to proving their readiness to win the title by beating inter if the fixtures ever come up.
 I feel the points gap between Inter and Juventus will be further widened if Inter wins their next game as it shows that they have one game for them to have an equal game tally of 22 with the others.

Inter is still ahead of Juventus even though it is just one point gap, because Inter has an outstanding match which definitely they must win to increase the gap between them and Juventus.

Juventus during the close mack in points between them and Inter drew two matches and they lost two points each, but Inter hasn't draw any match and that is why if Inter win their outstanding match, they will be four points ahead of Juventus. I think that gradually, Juventus had started dropping points that might make it difficult for them to still be in the title race with Inter.

[wakier]

The difference between Inter Milan at the top of the log and Juventus at 2nd place is just one point and this means that Simone inzaghi and his men will have to put in more effort if they mean to end the season as the winners. Juve are really determined and hardworking this season and they too deserve a shot at the title because last season they went through a lot; fifteen point deduction and then points deduction next is enough to bring a club down but the Old Lady aren't having any of that. This goes to show that they are capable of handling any thing that comes their way and I'm sure it won't be a challenge of it comes to proving their readiness to win the title by beating inter if the fixtures ever come up.
 I feel the points gap between Inter and Juventus will be further widened if Inter wins their next game as it shows that they have one game for them to have an equal game tally of 22 with the others.

Inter is still ahead of Juventus even though it is just one point gap, because Inter has an outstanding match which definitely they must win to increase the gap between them and Juventus.

Juventus during the close mack in points between them and Inter drew two matches and they lost two points each, but Inter hasn't draw any match and that is why if Inter win their outstanding match, they will be four points ahead of Juventus. I think that gradually, Juventus had started dropping points that might make it difficult for them to still be in the title race with Inter.

Inter still has 1 match remaining so Inter can take advantage of this match to widen the gap with Juventus. If the match with Juventus results in a draw Inter still has a chance to beat AS Roma and that's where the distance between Inter and Juventus is getting further, technically in terms of attacks Inter looks better. stronger than Juventus so I think in their meeting Inter can win the match with a narrow score because Juventus' defense is quite strong.
To be honest, I can't wait for the big meeting between the two which will be held next week because with this meeting we can see who is the strongest to continue to be in first place in the standings.

[Uruhara]

Daniele De Rossi was doubted when he first arrived, but what was shown in the 2 matches they played was truly great, regardless of what happened before or Daniele De Rossi's experience in managing a team, but indeed changing coaches while the season is underway makes everything possible. to happen and even the percentage of getting better is quite small but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

At the moment we cannot assess Daniele De Rossi, whether he can be better than Jose Mourinho or not, but at least we can see that he can maintain the positive trend and it is possible that Daniele De Rossi can fulfill the targets given to him this season.

I was also one of those who doubted De Rossi. But seeing him maintain Roma's form against weak teams has made me erase my doubts. But actually I will also understand De Rossi if he is unable to become a better coach than Jose Mourinho. Because the difference in experience between the two is also clearly different. And De Rossi is also still a young coach who still needs more experience. And he is now trusted to be an interim coach at AS Roma. And I think this is a good opportunity for him to gain experience at a big club. And so far Roma are still doing well in De Rossi's coaching. And maybe it will continue to improve over time.

[marcous]

One of the most interesting and decisive matches in Serie A will occur in Week 22, where Inter will face Juventus at the San Siro. Inter ambition to continue to be the leader of the standings will be directly challenged by Juventus, we know that the two of them have formed two axes of competition in the race for the Scudetto. Statistically, Inter is still better than Juventus, and that cannot always apply in determining their future matches, this is a big match which I feel is very difficult to predict.

This match is Juventus opportunity to reduce the difference in points that has been created, if they fail then Inter will continue to advance alone in the race, and they also still have one match postponed. We understand that Juventus is only focused on the domestic league this season, we will see if that really works next week. In my opinion, Inter is still the favorite to win, because they will play in front of their own supporters, Juventus need to work harder to be able to steal 3 points.

[Velvet78]

After capturing a really good advantage over Juventus Inter are going to host them this Sunday as well. In case Inter win this game and their absent game both the point gap will go up to 7 all of a sudden. I think Juventus wouldn't be able to catch up with Inter anymore after that. Because Inter really don't look like they will stumble that easy for a long time.

Therefore this game is very critical for Juventus side. Allegri couldn't beat them in their previous head-to-head. Here they should be able to get one point at least. But if you ask me about how much I trust them on that I would say not much.  

[rendravolt]

After capturing a really good advantage over Juventus Inter are going to host them this Sunday as well. In case Inter win this game and their absent game both the point gap will go up to 7 all of a sudden. I think Juventus wouldn't be able to catch up with Inter anymore after that. Because Inter really don't look like they will stumble that easy for a long time.

Therefore this game is very critical for Juventus side. Allegri couldn't beat them in their previous head-to-head. Here they should be able to get one point at least. But if you ask me about how much I trust them on that I would say not much.  

I think it is quite rational that in the end it will be increasingly difficult for Juventus to catch Inter and that is not without a strong reason other than if Inter can beat Juventus in the next meeting. This is a decisive match for the team that has a stronger candidate to win the Scudetto and I don't think Inter will let Juventus walk freely at home.

In fact, even if Juventus lose, it will only be a temporary result and it is still possible for Juventus to catch up on the points difference if Inter lose. We know that no team is perfect and what Napoli did last season is perhaps something we rarely see. So without reducing respect to the two teams who are competing to win the Scudetto this season, everything is not over as long as the match has not started and also the end of the season is still quite long.