Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[Shan85]

Dortmund are still trying to maintain their title chance but I don't know. It would have been really great for them to win the Bundesliga title before losing Bellingham to Bayern Munich. This means another power loss for the team after Haaland's departure. Actually despite Haaland's leaving the team this season has been good for Dortmund anyway. But I don't know if we can see the same effort next season.
They will need to fill Bellingham's place with another skilled youngster. This is what they do the best in the end so they must have someone in their mind to help him shine here also.

Although it sounds like Dortmund is having some difficulties I am impressed by their resolve to keep up their title aspirations despite losing important players. But losing a star player is never easy I believe Dortmund can identify and cultivate fresh young talent who can add to the team success. It is excellent to see them investing in the future and I'm sure the supporters are eager to see what this bright squad can accomplish in the years to come.

[rahmad2nd]

There is a really great competition for top four among Leipzig, Union Berlin and Freiburg right now. The previous week was in favour of Leipzig a lot. They had a tough away game against Freiburg but they still won the game nicely. Union Berlin's losing to Augsburg made things easier for Leipzig to reach the third position all of a sudden. But the rivalry is still fired up very much.

There is another important game for top four next week which is between Union Berlin and Freiburg this time. Leipzig can turn this into an advantage by beating Bremen and I think Leipzig will finish at the 3rd position as well.

Really it's not easy at all. this week might not be so difficult for Leipzig, because their opponent is Bremen. playing at home, is an advantage for Leipzig. so, on paper Bremen is not a difficult opponent for them to overthrow. well, in the next match, Leipzig have a tough challenge, they will challenge a tough team, namely Bayern. if you are lucky, Leipzig can strengthen its position in 3rd place in the standings. but if they fall, the team under them has the potential to shift the position they occupy.

Interestingly, the Union Berlin vs Freiburg match will determine their position in this week's table. Remember, these two teams have the same points. meaning, this match will be an exciting match and no less hot than the Beyern vs Schalke, Dortmund vs Monchengladbach matches.
On the other hand, Freiburg still has 1 more tough match against Frankfurt. although Frankfurt is currently inconsistent, one thing is for sure they don't want to lose just like that. to be sure, the Bundesliga still offers a very interesting battle until the end of this season. whether it's the struggle for the top standings, or the struggle to finish in the top four standings.

[len01]

Bayern Munich's match will be as important as Borussia Dortmund's match. I think Borussia will play a very difficult match against Mönchengladbach. Bayern will be more comfortable. They will host Schalke, who had a difficult time in the league at home. Bayern will be undefeated this week as well. Still the strongest candidate for the championship is the Bavarian team.

not necessarily, because these two teams really haven't shown their consistency in every match even though Bayern Munich in first place doesn't mean it's safe but also for Dortmund it doesn't mean it can't catch up with Bayern Munich, which is only 1 point apart. even though in the previous match Bayern Munich and Dortmund were able to beat their opponents, especially for Dortmund, who was able to score 6 in the next match, it does not mean that in the upcoming match they can beat Monchengladbach.

so this is all because one of Bayern Munich and Dortmund has not had the right consistency so there will still be struggles and changes in positions in the coming matches.

[YuginKadoya]

I was not really sure how that game between Dortmund and Wolfsburg will be end , as the last time both teams have meet Wolfsburg got the win.
Wolfsburg is always good for a surprise specialy when they playing against the big teams.
About the matches left for both teams Dortmund and Bayern Munich i hope that Bayern Munich will lose against Leipzig or at least make a draw.
For sure at the same time Dortmund has to win there games.

Niko Kovac the new head coach for Wolfsburg must have your answer, I really think he is behind all of the wins and Surprises, and since day 1 of this season they are pretty much good at something Wolfsburg sure have some answer on everything back then I think we can see a fair different Wolfsburg on the next season I think this is just a rundown test for this season what is Niko Kovac have stored for Wolfsburg, that Wolfsburg wins in the past on Bayern Munich and Dortmund could be some injuries or the team are just adjusting to Erling Haaland and Robert Lewandowski lost and some weak chemistry that Niko Kovac have capitalized in order for them winning,

Bayern Munich have had a really bad performance this season, but there are several reasons. The most important and perhaps the first of these is undoubtedly Lewandowski's transfer to Barceona, followed by Neuer's unfortunate injury, and finally their firing of Nagelsmann before their crucial matches in the champions league and bundesliga. Some problems were not events under their control, but they created some problems themselves and opened the door to this critical process. Despite all this, I think they will be champions. Even when Borussia Dortmund took advantage last week, I predicted in that direction.

It is really unfortunate that Robert Lewandowski's transfer was this season but eventually nothing surely last forever, and the 9 years of Domination in Bayern Munich it is thanks to the Polish striker's continuation of Bayern Munich being a champion, I guess we can surely look at Julian Nagelsmann and how he coaches the team, he is not ready for a Lewandowski to break up and because of this his future plays that include Lewandowski on it was in shambles and when Bayern Acquired Sadio Mane Nagelsmann have fitted Mane on Lewandowski's role that he is not good in doing because of his position now he seen that Bayern Munich winning is now taking a toll because of it, I really think Nagelsmann is really at fault here, this is just what I see things and my opinion about the cause

 

[makishart]

Bayern Munich have had a really bad performance this season, but there are several reasons. The most important and perhaps the first of these is undoubtedly Lewandowski's transfer to Barceona, followed by Neuer's unfortunate injury,

To be honest if the absence from neuer was not giving significant impact to the club. The decision by the club to replace naglesmann with tuchel was the biggest mistake that has been made by director from bayern.
The decision was making bayern potentially become trophyless this season. You can see that how tuchel was losing the golden chances in a row.

and finally their firing of Nagelsmann before their crucial matches in the champions league and bundesliga.

The worst mistake by bayern's director. I have no word to describe it but it's horrible decision from the club.

Some problems were not events under their control, but they created some problems themselves and opened the door to this critical process. Despite all this, I think they will be champions. Even when Borussia Dortmund took advantage last week, I predicted in that direction.

Let's see how consistent bayern in the end of season. There are around three matches remaining for bayern as well as dortmund. The competition become very strict right now. The club who will be losing full points gonna be loser in this season.

It's pretty hard to predict whether that's dortmund or bayern. Both of clubs are still inconsistent.

[shogun47]

I don't think it is all about adaptation, but about the quality and balance of the Bayern Munich squad. A lot of people have been saying that this is the best team they ever had, but I never understood why they are saying that. What about the team when Ribery and Robben played on the wings, Lewandwoski in the center, Neuer was in his prime and Lahm also was still playing? Was that team any worse? Definitely not in my opinion and all those players have been pretty reliable if they were healthy. Robben was injured too often, but when he played he was always dangerous. Sané will never replace Robben. Gnabry will never replace Ribery and no defender will ever replace Lahm.

Tuchel overestimates the quality of that team. If they don't add some high quality players, they will have problems again next season.

I'm not going to try to compare with their squad when some of the players you mentioned are still in their squad. However, in my opinion, comparing between the squad before and now, of course, we will always find differences, whether in the way they play or the coach's strategy implemented, because their coach is also not the same as when the players were at Bayren Munich.
The coach's assessment will also differ from their point of view, so it's only natural that their opinion will differ from our opinion of their squad.

I see what you are saying but the statistics also speak for themselves. You could also take the squad from 2013 as an example when Bayern played a record Bundesliga season with 98:18 goals scored and won the Champions League and there was almost not a single game where Bayern made mistakes. It was absolutely superb and therefore it doesn't make sense to now talk about the strongest squad ever. In the end success is what counts. I am not someone who disregards performance when there are no trophies, that can happen. Sané is a good example. Everyone says he is one of the best in the world. Perhaps in 20% of the games he plays, does that make a player one of the best in the world? Would Guardiola let one of the best players in the world easily go?

We'll see how they are going to do next season. If it is the same as this season, it would be a good proof that this squad is certainly not the best. I already doubt it but maybe some have their reasons to believe that. 

[KTChampions]

Yep. We can say that Bayern became infected with instability from Dortmund. Last season, everyone laughed at Arsenal, Dortmund, United and some other teams that showed a very convincing game and then lost points out of the blue in the next game. Bayern got the same disease this season. In the next round they play against a clear outsider (even if it shows excellent results in the fight for survival), but even in such a game you cannot be sure that Bayern will win. In addition, the coefficient for the victory of Bavaria is simply ridiculous - 1.11

Bayern Munich have had a really bad performance this season, but there are several reasons. The most important and perhaps the first of these is undoubtedly Lewandowski's transfer to Barceona, followed by Neuer's unfortunate injury, and finally their firing of Nagelsmann before their crucial matches in the champions league and bundesliga. Some problems were not events under their control, but they created some problems themselves and opened the door to this critical process. Despite all this, I think they will be champions. Even when Borussia Dortmund took advantage last week, I predicted in that direction.

Lewandowski's problem would have to be solved in any case - due to his age, he began to play worse, and as we can see from his statistics in Barcelona (if I'm not mistaken in La Liga, he is in first place in terms of the number of unrealized scoring chances), he is not as good as he was earlier. The same can be said about Neuer - it's time to change him, and after the injury, I'm not at all sure that he will return to his previous level.
And here we come to the key problem of Bayern - they live in the past and do not want to pay a lot for top players. But given the existing realities, with many clubs willing to pay 100+ million for good players, Bayern have the choice to either stagnate or join the race. At the moment they have chosen stagnation.

[bct_ail]

After Frankfurt had lost against Hoffenheim, the coach had given an angry speech. That was probably one way for the board members to dismiss Oliver Glasner. But not immediately but after the DFB Cup final game. A successor is also said to have been chosen. Toppmöller. But not Klaus Toppmöller, but his son Dino Toppmöller. He was recently co-coach with Nagelsmann at Bayern Munich.

[rendravolt]

Dortmund are still trying to maintain their title chance but I don't know. It would have been really great for them to win the Bundesliga title before losing Bellingham to Bayern Munich. This means another power loss for the team after Haaland's departure. Actually despite Haaland's leaving the team this season has been good for Dortmund anyway. But I don't know if we can see the same effort next season.
They will need to fill Bellingham's place with another skilled youngster. This is what they do the best in the end so they must have someone in their mind to help him shine here also.

Although it sounds like Dortmund is having some difficulties I am impressed by their resolve to keep up their title aspirations despite losing important players. But losing a star player is never easy I believe Dortmund can identify and cultivate fresh young talent who can add to the team success. It is excellent to see them investing in the future and I'm sure the supporters are eager to see what this bright squad can accomplish in the years to come.

Dortmund has always been able to bring in young talents every season, this team is like an academy for other big European teams to continue to produce prospective star players and this is evident from several names such as Dembele who has now joined Barcelona, then there is Erling Haaland the goal-scoring monster who has now joined manchester city and finally there is Bellingham who is reportedly now getting closer to Real Madrid.

Regardless of these names, Dortmund can still compete in the bundesliga, especially with Bayern Munich in almost every season. I think if Dortmund didn't sell these players maybe they would also be able to dominate the bundesliga or other competitions, it's just that sometimes clubs also need income so that they have better facilities and adequate club finances.

[X-ray]

Lately Schalke are always trashed by Bayern Munich with a high score. I remember the 8 goals in the beginning of the season before the previous one and 4 goals scored in another match. It will be quite surprising and evil if Schalke could be the cause of Bayern losing the title. I don't expect that to happen.

It's always trashed but it's in the past. I think that schalke is now trying so hard to avoid the relegation zone by winning the game. It can be seen from how schalke was able winning three matches from five matches.

Bayern shall be careful with schalke. I knew that if schalke had very bad head to head against bayern but this club potentially to raid bayern's chance to win the trophy this season.
Bayern must have avoided the draw as the result from the match if tuchel still wants its club to get bundesliga trophy this season. Tuchel shall be worry about any trap that can occur anytime.

Schalke need the victory to stay away from the relegation zone and Bayern Munich need it to stay above of Dortmund. We will see how it will end

The gap between schalke with some clubs in relegation zones is not so big right now. Bayern is fighting for title while schalke for relegation zone. These clubs hve their own target. The result of this match will determine everything.

That means there are only two matches remaining after this.

[LittleBitFunny]

Dortmund played very well and won. The team got a big win of 6-0. Even so, I will say I am disappointed with the Dortmund team's performance. Because out of the last 5 matches they have won 3 and drawn 2. They dropped points against teams like Stuttgart and Bochum. If they were able to win these two matches, the Dortmund team would have been able to keep the top spot in the table. But the performance of their players is not regular. The players of the team are not able to maintain consistency. Dortmund had a chance to be champions this season. Only because of such erratic performance, the Dortmund team could not hold the top spot in the table.

well, I previously said here that Dortmund could reach first place and maintain its position on the condition that the Dortmund players play consistently. but in reality Dortmund is still inconsistent with the form they have shown from several matches and this turned out to be surprising again with an impressive 6 scores for Dortmund fans.
if Dortmund really wants to return to first place they should maintain their consistent performance to be able to catch up with Bayern Munich.
on the other hand Bayer Munich will also not remain silent after seeing Dortmund's victory yesterday which made Tuchel have to think about the best strategy to keep Bayern Munich at the top of the standings. in the next match Bayern Munich will play against Schalke who has 15th place in the standings and this should not be a strong opponent for Bayern to beat Schalke and get points to maintain its position.
if in the upcoming match Bayern Munich loses, it will be very embarrassing.

Dortmund have a chance to win the title if they are able to continue their consistently good performances. However, Bayern Munich's performance from the Dortmund team is regular and stable. Bayern Munich will face Schalke, Leipzig and Koln in the next three matches. Munich wins easily against Schalke but is likely to drop points against Koln and Leipzig. On the other hand, Dortmund's opponents Augsburg and Gladbach are quite strong. It is not guaranteed that the Dortmund team will win each of their upcoming matches. I will put the Munich team ahead. This team's performance is a bit erratic right now but their squad is very experienced.

[sana54210]

I see what you are saying but the statistics also speak for themselves. You could also take the squad from 2013 as an example when Bayern played a record Bundesliga season with 98:18 goals scored and won the Champions League and there was almost not a single game where Bayern made mistakes. It was absolutely superb and therefore it doesn't make sense to now talk about the strongest squad ever. In the end success is what counts. I am not someone who disregards performance when there are no trophies, that can happen. Sané is a good example. Everyone says he is one of the best in the world. Perhaps in 20% of the games he plays, does that make a player one of the best in the world? Would Guardiola let one of the best players in the world easily go?

We'll see how they are going to do next season. If it is the same as this season, it would be a good proof that this squad is certainly not the best. I already doubt it but maybe some have their reasons to believe that. 

I think it is not about being able to say he is one of the best or not, he is definitely a great player and I wouldn't know if he is the best right now but he is definitely great but also being able to win something. Imagine if Messi was still Messi but Barcelona never won a title and never won any cups etc etc, wouldn't messi be still messi?

But the team around a player matters, every player who has been great in their career had some good teammates, even if not for the team they started, they would leave for a team that has those great players, which is why it makes so much sense for major stars to leave for big teams. This means that Sane is great when everyone else is great, and he is not great when the team doesn't do great. Like he played awesome at UCL and yet they still lost, that's a great example.

[hahay]

After Frankfurt had lost against Hoffenheim, the coach had given an angry speech. That was probably one way for the board members to dismiss Oliver Glasner. But not immediately but after the DFB Cup final game. A successor is also said to have been chosen. Toppmöller. But not Klaus Toppmöller, but his son Dino Toppmöller. He was recently co-coach with Nagelsmann at Bayern Munich.

Yes, indeed, it's a shame that Eintracht Frankfurt continues to get bad results, and these results keep Eintracht Frankfurt slipping in the standings. If there was really nothing more to be expected from Oliver Glasner then of course, it would be a good option to fire him, because keeping him would also only make the situation worse.

But regarding angry speeches and/or comments, I think it's normal, because these things are also triggered by the bad results he has received in succession. But as a leader, of course Oliver Glasner must be able to put forward a professional attitude so that the situation and condition of the team remains conducive.

[Fiatless]

Dortmund have a chance to win the title if they are able to continue their consistently good performances. However, Bayern Munich's performance from the Dortmund team is regular and stable. Bayern Munich will face Schalke, Leipzig and Koln in the next three matches. Munich wins easily against Schalke but is likely to drop points against Koln and Leipzig. On the other hand, Dortmund's opponents Augsburg and Gladbach are quite strong. It is not guaranteed that the Dortmund team will win each of their upcoming matches. I will put the Munich team ahead. This team's performance is a bit erratic right now but their squad is very experienced.

The only reason why the league title race is still open is because of the inconsistency of the dominant teams: Bayern Munich and Leverkusen. Both teams have not been consistent this season. It might also be that the performance of other teams has increased greatly. Games at the end of the season are hard to predict because even relegation-bound teams are improving their performance to avoid relegation. Predicting that Bayern will have a cheap victory against Schalke might not be the case because the latter is struggling to avoid relegation. The Bundesliga title is open for the three top teams but Leverkusen might likely win it because Tuchel has not fully stabilized the Bayern. Although they have won their two last games, the team is not yet stable. The best of Munich will be more visible next season.

[flyingcarpet]

Dortmund have a chance to win the title if they are able to continue their consistently good performances. However, Bayern Munich's performance from the Dortmund team is regular and stable. Bayern Munich will face Schalke, Leipzig and Koln in the next three matches. Munich wins easily against Schalke but is likely to drop points against Koln and Leipzig. On the other hand, Dortmund's opponents Augsburg and Gladbach are quite strong. It is not guaranteed that the Dortmund team will win each of their upcoming matches. I will put the Munich team ahead. This team's performance is a bit erratic right now but their squad is very experienced.

The only reason why the league title race is still open is because of the inconsistency of the dominant teams: Bayern Munich and Leverkusen. Both teams have not been consistent this season. It might also be that the performance of other teams has increased greatly. Games at the end of the season are hard to predict because even relegation-bound teams are improving their performance to avoid relegation. Predicting that Bayern will have a cheap victory against Schalke might not be the case because the latter is struggling to avoid relegation. The Bundesliga title is open for the three top teams but Leverkusen might likely win it because Tuchel has not fully stabilized the Bayern. Although they have won their two last games, the team is not yet stable. The best of Munich will be more visible next season.

Bayern Munich may not win comfortably against Schalke. Because in a possible loss of points, there is a possibility of losing the league cup. All remaining matches will be very difficult. In the first minutes of the match, they have to score or they may struggle. Dortmund's matches will also be difficult, but the follower is always more relaxed than the followed.

[Docnaster]

Bayern Munich's match will be as important as Borussia Dortmund's match. I think Borussia will play a very difficult match against Mönchengladbach. Bayern will be more comfortable. They will host Schalke, who had a difficult time in the league at home. Bayern will be undefeated this week as well. Still the strongest candidate for the championship is the Bavarian team.

not necessarily, because these two teams really haven't shown their consistency in every match even though Bayern Munich in first place doesn't mean it's safe but also for Dortmund it doesn't mean it can't catch up with Bayern Munich, which is only 1 point apart. even though in the previous match Bayern Munich and Dortmund were able to beat their opponents, especially for Dortmund, who was able to score 6 in the next match, it does not mean that in the upcoming match they can beat Monchengladbach.

so this is all because one of Bayern Munich and Dortmund has not had the right consistency so there will still be struggles and changes in positions in the coming matches.

The fact that Bayern Munich has surprisingly lost games they were expected to comfortably win this season makes it very difficult for anyone that's keenly followed the Bundesliga this season to easily predict they win their game this weekend against Schalke.
Borussia Dortmund thrashed Wolfsburg 6:0 after Bayern's win to send a strong message to anyone who thinks they can't fight for the title till the last matchday of the season to have a rethink. Against M'gladbach, Dortmund can still win the game to increase their chances of ending Bayern's dominance.

[Leviathan.007]

Schalke need the victory to stay away from the relegation zone and Bayern Munich need it to stay above of Dortmund. We will see how it will end

Schalke is not in a position to be worried about this team, in the start of this season they lost many points and they could have much better performance while because of losing some points Schalke got only 30 points during this season while they don't have to do hard work to reach Hoffenheim or other teams but the next game they have is not easy at where they have to face Bayern Munich.  

[klidex]

Dortmund have a chance to win the title if they are able to continue their consistently good performances. However, Bayern Munich's performance from the Dortmund team is regular and stable. Bayern Munich will face Schalke, Leipzig and Koln in the next three matches. Munich wins easily against Schalke but is likely to drop points against Koln and Leipzig. On the other hand, Dortmund's opponents Augsburg and Gladbach are quite strong. It is not guaranteed that the Dortmund team will win each of their upcoming matches. I will put the Munich team ahead. This team's performance is a bit erratic right now but their squad is very experienced.

The only reason why the league title race is still open is because of the inconsistency of the dominant teams: Bayern Munich and Leverkusen. Both teams have not been consistent this season. It might also be that the performance of other teams has increased greatly. Games at the end of the season are hard to predict because even relegation-bound teams are improving their performance to avoid relegation. Predicting that Bayern will have a cheap victory against Schalke might not be the case because the latter is struggling to avoid relegation. The Bundesliga title is open for the three top teams but Leverkusen might likely win it because Tuchel has not fully stabilized the Bayern. Although they have won their two last games, the team is not yet stable. The best of Munich will be more visible next season.

Bayern Munich may not win comfortably against Schalke. Because in a possible loss of points, there is a possibility of losing the league cup. All remaining matches will be very difficult. In the first minutes of the match, they have to score or they may struggle. Dortmund's matches will also be difficult, but the follower is always more relaxed than the followed.

I believe that dortmund will excel in this standings to take first place which is more worthy than bayern munchen who as a whole did not have good performance in the previous matches and dortmund itself has started to improve and is ready to take over first place in the standings.

[rahmad2nd]

~snip~

The only reason why the league title race is still open is because of the inconsistency of the dominant teams: Bayern Munich and Leverkusen. Both teams have not been consistent this season. It might also be that the performance of other teams has increased greatly. Games at the end of the season are hard to predict because even relegation-bound teams are improving their performance to avoid relegation. Predicting that Bayern will have a cheap victory against Schalke might not be the case because the latter is struggling to avoid relegation. The Bundesliga title is open for the three top teams but Leverkusen might likely win it because Tuchel has not fully stabilized the Bayern. Although they have won their two last games, the team is not yet stable. The best of Munich will be more visible next season.

Bayern Munich may not win comfortably against Schalke. Because in a possible loss of points, there is a possibility of losing the league cup. All remaining matches will be very difficult. In the first minutes of the match, they have to score or they may struggle. Dortmund's matches will also be difficult, but the follower is always more relaxed than the followed.

IMO, since falling from Mainz with a score of 3-1. there is a slight decrease in performance shown by Bayern Munich. I can understand, because the sudden change of coach made this team need to adjust their game. plus, according to the desired system coach. unfortunately, I don't think they have found the system that Tuchel wants. although in terms of the game, Bayern still always dominates. it's just that, they always find it difficult to break into the opponent's goal.

We can even refer to his last two matches, Bayern struggled to score goals against Herta. also, away against Bremen. even though in the end they won the match, it is clear that there are many differences in the styles of Nagelsmann and Tuchel. that's why, the players need a better adaptation. well, referring to what you said, it could be that Bayern had difficulties when carrying out their match against Schalke. but what is certain, on paper Bayern are still more in the favorites to win the match. for dortmund, this is also a big game for them. because, Gladbach is also targeting victory. well, it looks like this week the Bundesliga will offer an exciting match for us to enjoy.

[shogun47]

I see what you are saying but the statistics also speak for themselves. You could also take the squad from 2013 as an example when Bayern played a record Bundesliga season with 98:18 goals scored and won the Champions League and there was almost not a single game where Bayern made mistakes. It was absolutely superb and therefore it doesn't make sense to now talk about the strongest squad ever. In the end success is what counts. I am not someone who disregards performance when there are no trophies, that can happen. Sané is a good example. Everyone says he is one of the best in the world. Perhaps in 20% of the games he plays, does that make a player one of the best in the world? Would Guardiola let one of the best players in the world easily go?

We'll see how they are going to do next season. If it is the same as this season, it would be a good proof that this squad is certainly not the best. I already doubt it but maybe some have their reasons to believe that. 

I think it is not about being able to say he is one of the best or not, he is definitely a great player and I wouldn't know if he is the best right now but he is definitely great but also being able to win something. Imagine if Messi was still Messi but Barcelona never won a title and never won any cups etc etc, wouldn't messi be still messi?

But the team around a player matters, every player who has been great in their career had some good teammates, even if not for the team they started, they would leave for a team that has those great players, which is why it makes so much sense for major stars to leave for big teams. This means that Sane is great when everyone else is great, and he is not great when the team doesn't do great. Like he played awesome at UCL and yet they still lost, that's a great example.

The comparison is not appropriate. Messi turned Barcelona into a team that Barcelona has never been before. There is only a couple of players that can improve a team that is already strong and that only works when they deliver their best performances game after game.

I absolutely agree with you that the team is the most important of it all. But what is the possibility that Messi would have played for a club that never wins a title with him? The difference between good players and those who are the highest world class possible is consistency. Like Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, now Haaland. Sané doesn't help a lot when he is good only a few games per season.

There are statistics how many games Messi decided with the first goal of the game or with a goal that won Barcelona the game. He is the best of the best in that statistic. I will try to find it. Sané is nowhere to be found except for the year where he became player of the month in the Premier League two times I think. And yet Guardiola didn't even care that he wants to leave. It has a reason.