Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[MK-74]

The decision by Leverkusen to choose Ten Hag at that time surprised many fans. And now his very quick dismissal also surprises many parties. That decision is good to be made quickly, but perhaps most people think he should be given at least half of the season. But Leverkusen is very firm in this regard.

First of all Bayer Leverkusen was too fast to employ Ten Hag I know that they needed a replacement for Xabi Alonso since he left for Real Madrid but they should have made some considerations before appointing him that would have saved them all the stress.

They also took a very fast decision to sack the coach that wasn't totally bad because they already confirmed that he's not capable of getting things done in the team.

I never understood why Bayer Leverkusen brought in Ten Hag as head coach so quickly. In my opinion, he was a failure and I don’t know what logic led Leverkusen to move so fast, but it came at a heavy cost because now they’ve sacked him and will have to pay compensation.
It was the right decision to dismiss him early, as he wasn’t going to bring any benefit to the team anyway.
Now he should go and coach a mid-level club, because he doesn’t have the talent or knowledge to manage a big club.

[Zlantann]

I never understood why Bayer Leverkusen brought in Ten Hag as head coach so quickly. In my opinion, he was a failure and I don’t know what logic led Leverkusen to move so fast, but it came at a heavy cost because now they’ve sacked him and will have to pay compensation.
It was the right decision to dismiss him early, as he wasn’t going to bring any benefit to the team anyway.
Now he should go and coach a mid-level club, because he doesn’t have the talent or knowledge to manage a big club.

Erik Ten Hag had a bad time in Manchester United but was successful in Ajax, where he led the club to win three Eredivisie titles and reached the Champions League semi-finals. There are reports that his performance alone in Bayer Leverkusen was not the reason why he was sacked.  He fell out with the club management regarding player signings and the future direction of the club.

The club management shouldn't have expected immediate position results after they sold Florian Wirtz, Piero Hincapie,  Jeremie Frimpong, and Granit Xhaka, and Jonathan Tah without worthy replacements. He should have been given some time to build the club. Some successful coaches were given more than one season to get it right in their clubs.

[MK-74]

I never understood why Bayer Leverkusen brought in Ten Hag as head coach so quickly. In my opinion, he was a failure and I don’t know what logic led Leverkusen to move so fast, but it came at a heavy cost because now they’ve sacked him and will have to pay compensation.
It was the right decision to dismiss him early, as he wasn’t going to bring any benefit to the team anyway.
Now he should go and coach a mid-level club, because he doesn’t have the talent or knowledge to manage a big club.

Erik Ten Hag had a bad time in Manchester United but was successful in Ajax, where he led the club to win three Eredivisie titles and reached the Champions League semi-finals. There are reports that his performance alone in Bayer Leverkusen was not the reason why he was sacked.  He fell out with the club management regarding player signings and the future direction of the club.

The club management shouldn't have expected immediate position results after they sold Florian Wirtz, Piero Hincapie,  Jeremie Frimpong, and Granit Xhaka, and Jonathan Tah without worthy replacements. He should have been given some time to build the club. Some successful coaches were given more than one season to get it right in their clubs.

Players are sold when the right time comes and their value is high, and that’s exactly what Bayer Leverkusen did.
At Manchester United, I think he was given enough time, yet he achieved nothing. The Leverkusen board most likely thought he wouldn’t be able to do anything here either, which is why they sacked him.

In the Eredivisie, there are basically only two big clubs: Ajax and PSV.
It’s completely natural for one of these two to win the league and dominate it.

[MArsland]

Erik Ten Hag had a bad time in Manchester United but was successful in Ajax, where he led the club to win three Eredivisie titles and reached the Champions League semi-finals. There are reports that his performance alone in Bayer Leverkusen was not the reason why he was sacked.  He fell out with the club management regarding player signings and the future direction of the club.

The club management shouldn't have expected immediate position results after they sold Florian Wirtz, Piero Hincapie,  Jeremie Frimpong, and Granit Xhaka, and Jonathan Tah without worthy replacements. He should have been given some time to build the club. Some successful coaches were given more than one season to get it right in their clubs.

That's because Ajax cannot be compared to Manchester United. If the problem really is player recruitment, then it makes sense because Ten Hag intends to recruit players who have played for Ajax, as he did when he was Manchester United coach. Leverkusen on the other hand made a mistake by hiring Ten Hag, but firing him early on was also the right decision before the league progressed further. The results from the two matches he managed provide evidence that Leverkusen is regressing rather than progressing. 

[jems]

Erik Ten Hag had a bad time in Manchester United but was successful in Ajax, where he led the club to win three Eredivisie titles and reached the Champions League semi-finals. There are reports that his performance alone in Bayer Leverkusen was not the reason why he was sacked.  He fell out with the club management regarding player signings and the future direction of the club.

The club management shouldn't have expected immediate position results after they sold Florian Wirtz, Piero Hincapie,  Jeremie Frimpong, and Granit Xhaka, and Jonathan Tah without worthy replacements. He should have been given some time to build the club. Some successful coaches were given more than one season to get it right in their clubs.

That's because Ajax cannot be compared to Manchester United. If the problem really is player recruitment, then it makes sense because Ten Hag intends to recruit players who have played for Ajax, as he did when he was Manchester United coach. Leverkusen on the other hand made a mistake by hiring Ten Hag, but firing him early on was also the right decision before the league progressed further. The results from the two matches he managed provide evidence that Leverkusen is regressing rather than progressing. 

Since Erik ten Hag's arrival, there has been considerable criticism, and the pressure has been quite intense, making it increasingly difficult for him to perform. His past failure at Manchester United continues to haunt him, leading to his subsequent failure at Leverkusen.
Regardless of the situation, I believe Leverkusen's management's decision to take this swift action is absolutely correct. They would rather rebuild the team sooner rather than suffer a deeper setback with Erik ten Hag.

[Roseline492]

Tolerance is the problem here because if some other teams can tolerate a coach lapses others who are deeply in a competition of growth might not give a second chance to the coach because they might be feeling that the longer the chance is more damage is going to cause them so cutting it when the time is extremely close is the best so that they would look for another capable hand to adjust it so actually that's how I'm just seeing this whole thing but however it was Bayern Leverkusen mistake for not knowing all this before signing considering his previous profile so actually they shouldn't act as if they didn't no about him.

I think this is the right decision made by Leverkusen management, they took quick steps to build the team in a new direction because it was clear there was no progress whatsoever with Ten Hag even the Leverkusen team was much worse after being coached by Ten Hag so even though it was only the beginning of the season but I think this decision was quite right even since the beginning of his arrival I was very doubtful because Ten Hag was a failed coach in the past so it was difficult for him to find his confidence again.

Perhaps patience was never what they had in common with Manchester United because in Manchester United even if they just signed a coached now and they played 10 matches without wining they will never have the thought of sacking the coach because they would always think of giving him the whole season to see whether he can change so perhaps that's why when they fall it takes many seasons to come back because of the extent at which there fall had gotten to but Bayern Leverkusen on the other hand doesn't want to get too bad before they can start seeing the  coach faults.

[Mayor of ogba]

Incredible news!

Bayer 04 Leverkusen has parted ways with head coach Erik ten Hag with immediate effect.

Training will be taken over by the assistant coaching staff for the time being.


https://www.facebook.com/share/16z15GS5Ay/

As expected, Leverkusen has taken a bold step to part ways with Eric Ten Hang after failing to get positive results from just few games he's managed this new season. One of the shortest serving manager in the history of coaching?

Wt feq!! I'm not here to defend him like I did during his Manchester United days. This I considered too sudden regardless but the management and staff's must have seen something weren't seeing or not been told. Hopefully he will not be in a haste to take another job  at the moment. He needs to take sometime off or simply look at managing the Dutch national team one day.

I believe Bayer Leverkusen management didn't see anything that made them to sack Erik Ten Hag after Bayer Leverkusen failed to accumulate a point in the two matches they have played in the German Bundesliga this season. In my opinion, I think Bayer Leverkusen management sacks Erik Ten Hag because they are afraid he might replicate the same poor performance he had at Manchester United a few years ago at Bayer Leverkusen this season, and for them to prevent that from happening, they decide to sack Erik Ten Hag so early so that he will not bring them more misery to the club this season.

[Baki202]

I never understood why Bayer Leverkusen brought in Ten Hag as head coach so quickly. In my opinion, he was a failure and I don’t know what logic led Leverkusen to move so fast, but it came at a heavy cost because now they’ve sacked him and will have to pay compensation.
It was the right decision to dismiss him early, as he wasn’t going to bring any benefit to the team anyway.
Now he should go and coach a mid-level club, because he doesn’t have the talent or knowledge to manage a big club.

And from what happened recently would forever be a threat to any coach they are bringing because they will have to be committed because the kind of step Leverkusen are taking now they don't seem to be joking with anyone because at that point when did they employ ten Hag that his already receiving a sack letter so this is at this point is a thing of concern and the same time we should know that does guys are serious.

They want something different that is why they are doing exactly what they are doing because since they tasted victory they want it continously and this is why ten Hag was sacked and it was for a good reason if I may say because who would have expected them to get a new coach and still sack him within the space of two months. And I don't think is about previous condition in Manchester United because they knew before employing him so this is enough reasons for them to want to give him a trial and if no result then they let him go.

[GiftedMAN]

Since Erik ten Hag's arrival, there has been considerable criticism, and the pressure has been quite intense, making it increasingly difficult for him to perform. His past failure at Manchester United continues to haunt him, leading to his subsequent failure at Leverkusen.
Regardless of the situation, I believe Leverkusen's management's decision to take this swift action is absolutely correct. They would rather rebuild the team sooner rather than suffer a deeper setback with Erik ten Hag.

Erik Ten Hag wasn't the right man for the job at Bayer Leverkusen that's why fans and football lovers was worried about Leverkusen performance when he was appointed as the manager of the team, everything about the manager wasn't right in the first place and his past performance at Manchester United triggered a lot of people to wonder what he would achieve in the team and this is understandable because the media and the fans saw the achievements of Xabi Alonso in Leverkusen and when they saw a different manager who they don't trust took over the job it made everyone speechless and there was a question about the manager doing well or not and finally e saw what happened after just three matches.

[Just Say]

He has been given team he did not build and as you noted team that has lost several key players from their championship winning season. This puts immense pressure on him to get results with squad that is very different from one that had so much success. Your feeling that club management made mistake with their first choice is also correct as they realized it was not working and made change very quickly. As you said this instability and poor performance will likely be problem for club until next transfer window opens.

Yes it is true that he was given a team that he did not create but observe that he was given extra freedom for this stage. in fact the players at this club could not adapt to his system. Moreover the smartest players on this team, without whom they would not be able to generate energy, are now trying to represent themselves in other clubs at the start of the championship season. Even then perhaps this manager would have been in demand if he had been able to continue playing aggressively from the start of this new season. I think that is largely correct the management of this club made the right move with their first choice because they understood that their dignity would not be intact under this manager, however at the present time it must be said that there is instability within this club, so perhaps the management of this club will collectively have to deal with everything in an orderly manner.

[KTChampions]

Since Erik ten Hag's arrival, there has been considerable criticism, and the pressure has been quite intense, making it increasingly difficult for him to perform. His past failure at Manchester United continues to haunt him, leading to his subsequent failure at Leverkusen.
Regardless of the situation, I believe Leverkusen's management's decision to take this swift action is absolutely correct. They would rather rebuild the team sooner rather than suffer a deeper setback with Erik ten Hag.

I heard that the dismissal of ETH cost Leverkusen 5 million. On the one hand, it's a lot for 2 games (excluding the cup game), but on the other hand, with modern prices in football, it's nothing. It can be assumed that Leverkusen saved a lot by losing these 5 million. This is literally a stop loss  The risk that Ten Hag would have caused more damage (and would have been fired anyway) had he continued as coach was very high. It was a difficult but right decision.

[Volgastallion]

For me about the dismissal of Erik Ten Hag is something more behind the scene that we dont know, maybe he fight hard against one of the key player of the team or something like that, is imposible at this super high level to be fired after only 2 games, i cant found any other explanation about it.

He was not doing well, but come on, only 2 games is a joke.

[Iranus]

That's because Ajax cannot be compared to Manchester United. If the problem really is player recruitment, then it makes sense because Ten Hag intends to recruit players who have played for Ajax, as he did when he was Manchester United coach. Leverkusen on the other hand made a mistake by hiring Ten Hag, but firing him early on was also the right decision before the league progressed further. The results from the two matches he managed provide evidence that Leverkusen is regressing rather than progressing. 

I am not surprised at all by the news of ten Hag's dismissal. I am even happy that the Leverkusen management realized their mistake very quickly. I do not consider ten Hag to be a successful coach at all. We have seen Leverkusen's poor performance in both Bundesliga matches. We have not seen any good performance from the team in the pre-season matches either. Ten Hag has failed in both team management and player acquisition. He should be the coach of a team that is not fighting for the title. And whose only target is to avoid the relegation zone. Ten Hag may be successful with these teams.

Bayer fired ten Hag after two matches: five reasons for the decision

[Mayor of ogba]

Perhaps patience was never what they had in common with Manchester United because in Manchester United even if they just signed a coached now and they played 10 matches without wining they will never have the thought of sacking the coach because they would always think of giving him the whole season to see whether he can change so perhaps that's why when they fall it takes many seasons to come back because of the extent at which there fall had gotten to but Bayern Leverkusen on the other hand doesn't want to get too bad before they can start seeing the  coach faults.

It is true that Manchester United always gives its coaches enough time, but I disagree with you if Manchester United's new coach fails to win 10 matches in a row, Manchester United won't sack the coach because that era is gone. If Ruben Amorim fails to win more matches for Manchester United when the international break is over, he will be at a big risk of losing his job at Manchester United.

[stompix]

Yeah, the usual approach is to keep a team spinning around in circles and wondering what's wrong
- you have an extraordinary out-of-the-ordinary season, and then you wonder why you can't replicate
- you change the trainer and you think that will change everything, including your adversary playing as badly as they did in the past
- you fire the new trainer, and you think again everything else will change
Bayer needs to understand that the season two years ago was a fluke, not what they were actually playing, to achieve that consistency, they would need a new everything.

But eyah, keep thinking just one person is to blame!

[TastyChillySauce00]

I heard that the dismissal of ETH cost Leverkusen 5 million. On the one hand, it's a lot for 2 games (excluding the cup game), but on the other hand, with modern prices in football, it's nothing. It can be assumed that Leverkusen saved a lot by losing these 5 million. This is literally a stop loss 

Hehehe i'd rather call how Lucky Ten Hag is as Leverkusen paid him millions just to be spectators only for two weeks. I also don't feel bad for him as he made more money than what we made entire life. I will be waiting for a motivation book by him about how he made millions just in less than a month by doin nothin. It's something that is worthy to wait. 

[Razmirraz]

Snip.

Erik Ten Hag had a bad time in Manchester United but was successful in Ajax, where he led the club to win three Eredivisie titles and reached the Champions League semi-finals. There are reports that his performance alone in Bayer Leverkusen was not the reason why he was sacked.  He fell out with the club management regarding player signings and the future direction of the club.

The club management shouldn't have expected immediate position results after they sold Florian Wirtz, Piero Hincapie,  Jeremie Frimpong, and Granit Xhaka, and Jonathan Tah without worthy replacements. He should have been given some time to build the club. Some successful coaches were given more than one season to get it right in their clubs.

The difference in management's approach to decision making between Leverkusen and Manchester United is clear here. Leverkusen didn't take long to assess the coach's performance, they immediately fired Ten Hag after failing to lead Leverkusen to victory in their first two matches. In contrast, Manchester United gave Ten Hag the opportunity to restore the team's form, despite the significant expenditure of resources. In my opinion, Leverkusen was late in realizing Ten Hag's abilities. They should have been more discerning in choosing a coach before the season started. Now they must again look for the right figure to boost the team's performance, which has been limping after the departure of several key players.

Raul Gonzalez name has begun to emerge as the new Leverkusen coach, beating out other candidates Edin Terzic and Marco Rose. Hopefully he can repay the management trust after the team was left in limbo after losing several key players and failing to gel under Ten Hag.

[Velvet78]

What a start by Luis Díaz really... 2 goals and 2 assists in 2 league games already. I wasn't expecting him to adapt this quick honestly. He will really be a great replacement for Sane. Even better than him!

I heard that the dismissal of ETH cost Leverkusen 5 million. On the one hand, it's a lot for 2 games (excluding the cup game), but on the other hand, with modern prices in football, it's nothing. It can be assumed that Leverkusen saved a lot by losing these 5 million. This is literally a stop loss  The risk that Ten Hag would have caused more damage (and would have been fired anyway) had he continued as coach was very high. It was a difficult but right decision.

He got 14.5 million pounds from Manchester United and 5 million from Leverkusen in only 10 months. 19.5 million in total as severance pay, that's insane man! 

Maybe he couldn't survive even for 3 weeks in the Bundesliga but still got his money. I wonder what's next for him...

[Ndabagi01]

I never understood why Bayer Leverkusen brought in Ten Hag as head coach so quickly. In my opinion, he was a failure and I don’t know what logic led Leverkusen to move so fast, but it came at a heavy cost because now they’ve sacked him and will have to pay compensation.
It was the right decision to dismiss him early, as he wasn’t going to bring any benefit to the team anyway.
Now he should go and coach a mid-level club, because he doesn’t have the talent or knowledge to manage a big club.

Unlucky Ten Hag, he just have to go look for another club to manage now after failing to manage well in the club another opportunity was given to him. I didn’t blame Bayern Leverkusen too much for employing Ten Hag, he had good record in the past and that has made them have some level of trust in him to be the best man for this job.

Unfortunately, he was unable to deliver as expected in the few games he has managed. He failed at Manchester United, but maybe they thought he would have done better with this new job if given the opportunity again. He’s so sad he was so sack this early, it has just tarnished his reputation more. He needs to develop his managerial skills better if he wants to be rated well and have more opportunities for more jobs in the future.

[ndutndut]

The decision by Leverkusen to choose Ten Hag at that time surprised many fans. And now his very quick dismissal also surprises many parties. That decision is good to be made quickly, but perhaps most people think he should be given at least half of the season. But Leverkusen is very firm in this regard.

First of all Bayer Leverkusen was too fast to employ Ten Hag I know that they needed a replacement for Xabi Alonso since he left for Real Madrid but they should have made some considerations before appointing him that would have saved them all the stress.

They also took a very fast decision to sack the coach that wasn't totally bad because they already confirmed that he's not capable of getting things done in the team.

I never understood why Bayer Leverkusen brought in Ten Hag as head coach so quickly. In my opinion, he was a failure and I don’t know what logic led Leverkusen to move so fast, but it came at a heavy cost because now they’ve sacked him and will have to pay compensation.
It was the right decision to dismiss him early, as he wasn’t going to bring any benefit to the team anyway.
Now he should go and coach a mid-level club, because he doesn’t have the talent or knowledge to manage a big club.

It was indeed very strange to recruit Ten Hag to replace Xabi Alanso, even though he was clearly a complete failure at Man United. Leverkusen surprisingly recruited him. However firing him was also the right choice, even if it meant paying compensation. I'm sure Leverkusen management must have seen the game structure, tactics, and dressing room atmosphere under Ten Hag so it's better to fire him now before things get too bad and find a better coach.

But what's interesting is that this year saw five former Man United managers sacked. Middlesbrough sacked Carrick, Leicester City sacked van Nistelrooy, Besiktas sacked Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Fenerbahce sacked Mourinho, and now Leverkusen sacks Ten Hag.