Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[mv1986]

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Few expected Bayern to drop points in two consecutive matches. That surprised me, even though I view Champions League group-stage games as nothing more than a circus show. What do you think about the upcoming Bayern vs. Leipzig match? After two straight setbacks, a home game... Another 6-0 thrashing like last year? Bayern is facing a barrage of criticism right now, and they should be fired up. The odds don't look huge, of course - just 1.20, but 20% profit in a reliable game for one outcome... I'll probably place a bet.

It is a tricky one. Your analysis is right though, usually when Bayern faces criticism on that level, they are usually more dangerous than ever. Now my problem with these low odds bets is that I just don't like to play them as a single bet. Rather as an odds booster in a parlay, but I guess that was your plan anyway? So generally speaking, Bayern should win it. 6-0? I don't think so as Leipzig seems to be stable enough to at least not get completely destroyed. Stealing a point in Munich is hardly possible, I just don't see that happening exactly for the reasons you brought up.

Now I wonder whether Bayern will be heavily rotating as the game against Arsenal will be four days later. Same for Leipzig though as they will play against Real Madrid away from home, but I think the game against Bayern is more important for Leipzig than a game in the Champions League that they will lose almost certainly.

I view Champions League group-stage games as nothing more than a circus show

I would almost fully agree with this. At times the games are worth watching, but in 90% of the cases they aren't even close to knockout stage games. Yes sounds great to have Manchester City - PSG, but it would be 10x more exciting in a quarterfinal.

When you build your parlays, what is the max number of selections you usually go with? Three?

[MAAManda]

I thought Bayern Munich would easily win the match in UCL, as they are a team known for securing victories in very tough away games. However, they failed to do so in the Champions League today. Don't be surprised if unexpected results occur in their Bundesliga matches from now on, because any team in the Bundesliga is stronger than Viking. This was definitely the biggest upset of the day in the Champions League.

For the past 2 seasons, Eliteserien teams have been making surprises in the UCL, last season it was Bodø/Glimt & this season it's Viking. That match result keeps Bayern Munich in the top 8, but they're set to drop down soon. Well, they need to learn from that match not to waste a good chance to win, because a draw is a strange result to see. 2 teams remain to play their second UCL match, they're Stuttgart & Borussia Dortmund.

[Ale88]

I thought Bayern Munich would easily win the match in UCL, as they are a team known for securing victories in very tough away games. However, they failed to do so in the Champions League today. Don't be surprised if unexpected results occur in their Bundesliga matches from now on, because any team in the Bundesliga is stronger than Viking. This was definitely the biggest upset of the day in the Champions League.

For the past 2 seasons, Eliteserien teams have been making surprises in the UCL, last season it was Bodø/Glimt & this season it's Viking. That match result keeps Bayern Munich in the top 8, but they're set to drop down soon. Well, they need to learn from that match not to waste a good chance to win, because a draw is a strange result to see. 2 teams remain to play their second UCL match, they're Stuttgart & Borussia Dortmund.

I agree that the Norwegian teams have been surprising us during the last years. I was taking a look at the Eliteserien and they already played 22 matches out of 30, so I was expecting the Norwegian teams to be a little tired at this point of the season. This is interesting. I don't really follow the Norwegian league so I wonder if they have some kind of player rotation before the CL games.

[Samlucky O]

On a normal day if a team had played draw in the week of a champions league match in the league, it is natural to think they were planning to have a better team for the champions league that's why they didn't perform properly. This is a different case for Bayern Munich, they were not playing against a big opponent in the league neither were they playing against a big opponent in the champions league that made them to draw in the league. I thought I had escaped Bayern Munich in the weekend only for them to hunt me last night in the champions league. Viking scoring a goal is the problem but scoring three and ending up playing draw is the concern here, what did Bayern Munich really do last night that made them to draw with Viking, I'm wondering because the draw cost me

[xzone]

On a normal day if a team had played draw in the week of a champions league match in the league, it is natural to think they were planning to have a better team for the champions league that's why they didn't perform properly. This is a different case for Bayern Munich, they were not playing against a big opponent in the league neither were they playing against a big opponent in the champions league that made them to draw in the league. I thought I had escaped Bayern Munich in the weekend only for them to hunt me last night in the champions league. Viking scoring a goal is the problem but scoring three and ending up playing draw is the concern here, what did Bayern Munich really do last night that made them to draw with Viking, I'm wondering because the draw cost me

In both matches, their opponents weren't strong, but in both games they failed to play as expected. This is quite interesting; honestly, there's a significant difference between Bayern's playing style and what they're doing now. We wouldn't expect a team that hasn't conceded a goal and has a very good defense to concede 5 goals in 2 matches; this shows that something has changed in the team and things aren't going well. Of course, there can be unpredictable matches in the Champions League, we can see surprise results, but dropping points in the Bundesliga is an unacceptably big problem in my opinion

[Somto9Light]

On a normal day if a team had played draw in the week of a champions league match in the league, it is natural to think they were planning to have a better team for the champions league that's why they didn't perform properly. This is a different case for Bayern Munich, they were not playing against a big opponent in the league neither were they playing against a big opponent in the champions league that made them to draw in the league. I thought I had escaped Bayern Munich in the weekend only for them to hunt me last night in the champions league. Viking scoring a goal is the problem but scoring three and ending up playing draw is the concern here, what did Bayern Munich really do last night that made them to draw with Viking, I'm wondering because the draw cost me

Literally, that's how it used to be. I mean, when a team doesn't perform well in their domestic league match whereas they have a Champions League match ahead, it is always because they want to give more importance to the Champions League game but it happens when it is a big team is involved but for Bayern Munich, Vikings isn't a team that would even make Bayern Munich to reserve players or take the match too seriously but what happened yesterday was a complete shocking result. I think it's high time we change our betting pattern because if someone has risked a stake on Vikings to score 3 goals, the odd would have been outrageous. Many bettors lost their bet on that match except for those who went for over goals, BTTS or Bayern Munich to score 3 goals.

[Jewan420]

On a normal day if a team had played draw in the week of a champions league match in the league, it is natural to think they were planning to have a better team for the champions league that's why they didn't perform properly. This is a different case for Bayern Munich, they were not playing against a big opponent in the league neither were they playing against a big opponent in the champions league that made them to draw in the league. I thought I had escaped Bayern Munich in the weekend only for them to hunt me last night in the champions league. Viking scoring a goal is the problem but scoring three and ending up playing draw is the concern here, what did Bayern Munich really do last night that made them to draw with Viking, I'm wondering because the draw cost me

In both matches, their opponents weren't strong, but in both games they failed to play as expected. This is quite interesting; honestly, there's a significant difference between Bayern's playing style and what they're doing now. We wouldn't expect a team that hasn't conceded a goal and has a very good defense to concede 5 goals in 2 matches; this shows that something has changed in the team and things aren't going well. Of course, there can be unpredictable matches in the Champions League, we can see surprise results, but dropping points in the Bundesliga is an unacceptably big problem in my opinion

Both matches were unexpected for me. They were not fighting against a team that could pose a threat to them. But they helped the opposing team to perform strongly through their own performance. Their defense was relatively weak last season, but this season it is so bad that even small teams are easily scoring goals against them. They have already conceded 7 goals this season, all of them against weak teams.
I don't think this is happening because of any changes in the team, rather the players are not playing well. Although there has been no major change in the attack line, the attack line is also not playing as well as last season. Last season their main strength was attack, they were able to score multiple goals before the opponent realized anything.

[len01]

But consistency, like Bayern, is of course required to win the treble. However, if you only look at their 2-3 shots and think that their mindset has changed, then it could be an exciting decision. I would like to think about the way of the games, that was before. They played Augsburg 2-2 in a game in which they trailed both times.The most interesting thing for me is that 4 of their goals in that match were disallowed for offside. This simply indicates that although the result was disappointing, the team was not losing the match. Instead the issues with finishing and defensive concentration were more noticeable. The best one is the match against Viking. They were 2-0 down in the first half but Harry Kane and Luis Diaz's home runs turned the tide in the second half, bringing them out on top 3-2.

Out of everything you have said, I have one question. Why does Bayern always seem to end up with a draw when playing away? This happens not only in domestic competitions but also in the UCL.

Perhaps your answer will be that Bayern played with only 10 men against Viking in the UCL, which gave Viking a chance to hold them to a draw. But as a team known as a bundesliga giant, Bayern should have been able to protect their lead. Yet here we are, seeing another draw once again.

[MAAManda]

I agree that the Norwegian teams have been surprising us during the last years. I was taking a look at the Eliteserien and they already played 22 matches out of 30, so I was expecting the Norwegian teams to be a little tired at this point of the season. This is interesting. I don't really follow the Norwegian league so I wonder if they have some kind of player rotation before the CL games.

They didn't make any rotations, they played the players who were available, simply adjusting their strategy. 4 days before facing Bayern Munich, they played a league match against Brann. Here is their line-up:

Image Source: Sofascore

Morten Jensen implements 4-4-2 formation, because they want to be more dominant in terms of ball possession. Unlike when they faced Bayern Munich, Viking implements mainstream 4-3-3 formation, signaling their intent not to sit back & defend. You can see their line-up against Bayern Munich in the image below:

Image Source: Sofascore

[Tongley]

But consistency, like Bayern, is of course required to win the treble. However, if you only look at their 2-3 shots and think that their mindset has changed, then it could be an exciting decision. I would like to think about the way of the games, that was before. They played Augsburg 2-2 in a game in which they trailed both times.The most interesting thing for me is that 4 of their goals in that match were disallowed for offside. This simply indicates that although the result was disappointing, the team was not losing the match. Instead the issues with finishing and defensive concentration were more noticeable. The best one is the match against Viking. They were 2-0 down in the first half but Harry Kane and Luis Diaz's home runs turned the tide in the second half, bringing them out on top 3-2.

Out of everything you have said, I have one question. Why does Bayern always seem to end up with a draw when playing away? This happens not only in domestic competitions but also in the UCL.

Perhaps your answer will be that Bayern played with only 10 men against Viking in the UCL, which gave Viking a chance to hold them to a draw. But as a team known as a bundesliga giant, Bayern should have been able to protect their lead. Yet here we are, seeing another draw once again.

Everyone should see why Bayern cannot hold the lead. Because of their several mistakes, they cannot hold the lead, such as the weakness of the defense. Bayern is able to score goals but they cannot hold the lead because of the weakness of the defense and some mistakes. If they can overcome these weaknesses, they will be able to hold the lead. The match at Galatasaray's home ground is said to be a very high-pressure match and Barcelona won there 4-1. It is not that only big teams and big ones win all the matches, but some mistakes make it so.

[Pressurizedem]

But consistency, like Bayern, is of course required to win the treble. However, if you only look at their 2-3 shots and think that their mindset has changed, then it could be an exciting decision. I would like to think about the way of the games, that was before. They played Augsburg 2-2 in a game in which they trailed both times.The most interesting thing for me is that 4 of their goals in that match were disallowed for offside. This simply indicates that although the result was disappointing, the team was not losing the match. Instead the issues with finishing and defensive concentration were more noticeable. The best one is the match against Viking. They were 2-0 down in the first half but Harry Kane and Luis Diaz's home runs turned the tide in the second half, bringing them out on top 3-2.

Out of everything you have said, I have one question. Why does Bayern always seem to end up with a draw when playing away? This happens not only in domestic competitions but also in the UCL.

Perhaps your answer will be that Bayern played with only 10 men against Viking in the UCL, which gave Viking a chance to hold them to a draw. But as a team known as a bundesliga giant, Bayern should have been able to protect their lead. Yet here we are, seeing another draw once again.

Everyone should see why Bayern cannot hold the lead. Because of their several mistakes, they cannot hold the lead, such as the weakness of the defense. Bayern is able to score goals but they cannot hold the lead because of the weakness of the defense and some mistakes. If they can overcome these weaknesses, they will be able to hold the lead. The match at Galatasaray's home ground is said to be a very high-pressure match and Barcelona won there 4-1. It is not that only big teams and big ones win all the matches, but some mistakes make it so.

Bayern Munich are very vulnerable when it comes to holding goals,  they aren't solid at att, and anytime their opponents gets closer to their net, there is tendency that a goals is going in. The last game they played in which they drew, I looked at their performance, and saw how awful they are in defence. They are a very good side when it comes to attack because the kind of players they have are very attack minded.

Bayern Munich have a lot of work to do this season because it seems they will be finding it difficult to retain their league because of how bad they've been playing recently, and how  they  haven't gotten to their peak as last year. Vincent Kompany needs to still work on his team if he wants to retain the League just like the previous season.

[Altryist]

Bayern Munich are very vulnerable when it comes to holding goals,  they aren't solid at att, and anytime their opponents gets closer to their net, there is tendency that a goals is going in. The last game they played in which they drew, I looked at their performance, and saw how awful they are in defence. They are a very good side when it comes to attack because the kind of players they have are very attack minded.

Bayern Munich have a lot of work to do this season because it seems they will be finding it difficult to retain their league because of how bad they've been playing recently, and how  they  haven't gotten to their peak as last year. Vincent Kompany needs to still work on his team if he wants to retain the League just like the previous season.

But we have to admit that they do have problems in goal, overall Bayern are in good form, and their attack is looking excellent. But when it comes to their goalkeeper, Neuer has become too old to play for a team like Bayern, while Urbig lacks experience and makes too many mistakes. So I think that unless Kompany sorts out the goalkeeping situation, Bayern will continue to concede a lot of goals on a regular basis.

[pawel7777]

After drawing to Augsburg 2-2 last weekend, Bayern again showed some signs of weakness by failing to win with a much lower rated Viking, in the Champions League on Tuesday. The game ended with a 3-3 draw. Bayern got stunned in the first half and they went on a break being 2-0 down. Whatever Kompany told them during the break worked. They scored 3 and took the lad, but then Olise got sent off and Viking equalised in the last minute of the game.
Dortmund also faced a Norwegian team, Bodo/Glimt, in an away game and they also failed to win. Bodo won 1-0 and it was not a lucky win. Norwegian club was a slightly dominating side and they didn't allow Dortmund to pose much threat.

Stuttgart and Leipzig saved the face of German football as they won their games against Slovan Bratislava and PSV respectively.

[KTChampions]

Few expected Bayern to drop points in two consecutive matches. That surprised me, even though I view Champions League group-stage games as nothing more than a circus show. What do you think about the upcoming Bayern vs. Leipzig match? After two straight setbacks, a home game... Another 6-0 thrashing like last year? Bayern is facing a barrage of criticism right now, and they should be fired up. The odds don't look huge, of course - just 1.20, but 20% profit in a reliable game for one outcome... I'll probably place a bet.

It is a tricky one. Your analysis is right though, usually when Bayern faces criticism on that level, they are usually more dangerous than ever. Now my problem with these low odds bets is that I just don't like to play them as a single bet. Rather as an odds booster in a parlay, but I guess that was your plan anyway? So generally speaking, Bayern should win it. 6-0? I don't think so as Leipzig seems to be stable enough to at least not get completely destroyed. Stealing a point in Munich is hardly possible, I just don't see that happening exactly for the reasons you brought up.

Now I wonder whether Bayern will be heavily rotating as the game against Arsenal will be four days later. Same for Leipzig though as they will play against Real Madrid away from home, but I think the game against Bayern is more important for Leipzig than a game in the Champions League that they will lose almost certainly.

I view Champions League group-stage games as nothing more than a circus show

I would almost fully agree with this. At times the games are worth watching, but in 90% of the cases they aren't even close to knockout stage games. Yes sounds great to have Manchester City - PSG, but it would be 10x more exciting in a quarterfinal.

When you build your parlays, what is the max number of selections you usually go with? Three?

Look, last year Leipzig was also good - they ended up taking third place, but the first meeting with Bayern ended with a score of 6-0  I’m not saying that everything has to repeat with the exact same precision, but I don’t see any reason why it couldn’t. In this case, I might well place a separate bet on a Bayern win with a handicap, but I was referring to a boost for a multi bet - 1.20 is a perfectly good set of odds for that.
I make different multiple bets, sometimes 3 outcomes, sometimes 10, in any case, if the multiple bet with 3 outcomes wins, then the money goes to the next multiple bet  therefore, it can be said that all the bets are part of one larger bet.
Yesterday’s match between City and PSG was interesting in terms of the scoreline, but essentially it was rubbish. City played with the same lineup as against Liverpool, and damn PSG with a completely different fresh lineup. This is even somehow indecent in my opinion.

[Primark]

I've thought about what you just said and i think you're right, a club who want to win treble really need to maintain the form.  And looking at their performance right now there's no prove that they'll win treble this season, and i think is better to focus more on their than Europe because they might lose both at time. Imagine if their focus last season was just to win champions league that means they won't have won anything last season, even this very season they might not even win it because there're clubs who's eager of winning it too.

There is a difference between the performance of last season and this season, Bayern Munich's terrible form is not seen this season. I guess such performance is only due to fatigue, they will return to devastating form very soon. Bayern Munich's big problem this season is their defense, although it was a problem last season, it was not reflected in the strong attack. But this season their attack is also struggling and even small teams are scoring goals through the defense. As a result, we are seeing unexpected draws.

The recent match against Viking was the latest example of this; it ended in a 3–3 draw, and Bayern’s defense was put under pressure. In fact, looking at the current landscape, many teams are struggling with defensive issues, and Bayern Munich is one of them. They were excellent last season, so these problems weren't really noticeable, but this year, the errors are much more apparent. Head coach Vincent Kompany needs to find a solution to the defensive woes as soon as possible. Bayern Munich is not a team accustomed to getting results like these.

They should be worried about conceding two goals to Augsburg and three to Viking. However, it is not just the defenders who are failing. The match against Viking will make this clear. Bayern had more possession. They went 3-2 up after being 2-0 down. Then Michael Olis got a second yellow card and the whole game turned around after he left the field. Viking equalised in the 90th minute. I think that portraying the 3/3 line is not right, hence my previous comment. I noticed the same thing in the Augsburg match. Bayern came back from two goals down. I would not say that Bayern's defence completely collapsed.

[jahead]

Long time no "sea", and again a new week, a new matchday, and with a bit of luck another chance for Werder to get 3 points...  We are playing at the Weserstadion on Saturday in prime time against inferior Paderborn (bbuuuhhhh), so it should be easy to win the game and not just because Werder is also the favorite according to the betting odds, haha.  To be honest, its been a while since Bremen played against Paderborn, 2024 to be exact, and back then we won in the 2nd round of the DFB-Pokal as well, so those should be good conditions to start with. 
And yes, before anyone asks again, of course I am biased towards Werder.... 

[bangjoe]

On a normal day if a team had played draw in the week of a champions league match in the league, it is natural to think they were planning to have a better team for the champions league that's why they didn't perform properly. This is a different case for Bayern Munich, they were not playing against a big opponent in the league neither were they playing against a big opponent in the champions league that made them to draw in the league. I thought I had escaped Bayern Munich in the weekend only for them to hunt me last night in the champions league. Viking scoring a goal is the problem but scoring three and ending up playing draw is the concern here, what did Bayern Munich really do last night that made them to draw with Viking, I'm wondering because the draw cost me

Viking is a team that is quite unfamiliar to me, but they can stop the movement of Bayern Munich, indicating that they are an unusual team, I also think so like you, but after looking back and how this can happen to Bayern Munich, 2-0 in the first half was clearly a mistake on the strategy used by Munich and Munich defense failed to keep the counter-attack done by the Vikings.

Just like Bodo Glimt drew attention from last season and tonight they beat the representatives of the Bundesliga namely Dortmund, Dortmund lost 1-0. and it looks like the Vikings could be the dark horses in the champions League now, the Norwegian league seems to be getting better, or is it the team from the BundesLeague that is in decline?

[kennycryptoitalia]

Everyone should see why Bayern cannot hold the lead. Because of their several mistakes, they cannot hold the lead, such as the weakness of the defense. Bayern is able to score goals but they cannot hold the lead because of the weakness of the defense and some mistakes. If they can overcome these weaknesses, they will be able to hold the lead. The match at Galatasaray's home ground is said to be a very high-pressure match and Barcelona won there 4-1. It is not that only big teams and big ones win all the matches, but some mistakes make it so.

it is important to understand that this will only be a passing thing and that Bayern Munich will be able to move forward and take back everything they deserve, they certainly have a significant defensive problem but this cannot be the excuse, on the contrary they must try to get back the players they are missing and the lead in the championship and also in the European phase.

[mv1986]

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Look, last year Leipzig was also good - they ended up taking third place, but the first meeting with Bayern ended with a score of 6-0  I’m not saying that everything has to repeat with the exact same precision, but I don’t see any reason why it couldn’t. In this case, I might well place a separate bet on a Bayern win with a handicap, but I was referring to a boost for a multi bet - 1.20 is a perfectly good set of odds for that.
I make different multiple bets, sometimes 3 outcomes, sometimes 10, in any case, if the multiple bet with 3 outcomes wins, then the money goes to the next multiple bet  therefore, it can be said that all the bets are part of one larger bet.
Yesterday’s match between City and PSG was interesting in terms of the scoreline, but essentially it was rubbish. City played with the same lineup as against Liverpool, and damn PSG with a completely different fresh lineup. This is even somehow indecent in my opinion.

I agree and if someone held a gun to my head now and asked me to give my best guess for the Bayern - Leipzig game, I would probably go with something like 4-1, maybe 4-0, maybe 5-1. These days probably one goal against Bayern as they are not safe in their defense, Upamecano sucks, Tah sucks, Brown has to improve positioning, Neuer makes far more mistakes than he used to in his prime, Olise is not as defensively oriented, Diaz mostly on good days, but on bad days he doesn't work backwards as much.

Bayern is not the perfect composition in my opinion, that is why I would go with one goal against them. Apart from that, I am sure they are going to "swallow Red Bull for desert"

[Rhow]

Bayern Munich are very vulnerable when it comes to holding goals,  they aren't solid at att, and anytime their opponents gets closer to their net, there is tendency that a goals is going in. The last game they played in which they drew, I looked at their performance, and saw how awful they are in defence. They are a very good side when it comes to attack because the kind of players they have are very attack minded.

Bayern Munich have a lot of work to do this season because it seems they will be finding it difficult to retain their league because of how bad they've been playing recently, and how  they  haven't gotten to their peak as last year. Vincent Kompany needs to still work on his team if he wants to retain the League just like the previous season.

But we have to admit that they do have problems in goal, overall Bayern are in good form, and their attack is looking excellent. But when it comes to their goalkeeper, Neuer has become too old to play for a team like Bayern, while Urbig lacks experience and makes too many mistakes. So I think that unless Kompany sorts out the goalkeeping situation, Bayern will continue to concede a lot of goals on a regular basis.

Is it right to blame the goalkeeper for all the goals? I understand that they have conceded a lot of goals in recent matches and that is certainly a concern. But I will consider a few other things before I blame the goalkeeper.

I agree that Neuer was wrong against Augsburg. But when it comes to the match against Viking, it was different. You know that Jonas Urbig played as goalkeeper in that match. Now tell me why they conceded so many goals in that match even though Neuer was not there? The main thing is that Neuer's age cannot be blamed for conceding three goals in that match. I think the coordination of the defense, handling corners and stopping the opponent's counterattacks are more important than the goalkeeper.