We need the bitcoin foundation to fix the blocksize problem

[coinplus]

In a decentralized environment, voting would be the only option like democratic country has election to select their leaders. Like that to solve blocksize problem we need to go with what majority of the people vote for. This is in belief of majority of people would take a right one.

[SebastianJu]

In a decentralized environment, voting would be the only option like democratic country has election to select their leaders. Like that to solve blocksize problem we need to go with what majority of the people vote for. This is in belief of majority of people would take a right one.

I like democracy the most too. Not the stupid thing they call democracy nowadays where citizens have one vote every couple of years and the rest of the time they lose their voting rights to others. That surely is no democracy, i would rather say it is a homeopatic democracy. It's so thin that it practically isn't there anymore.

Anyway... i tried to find a way to use the blockchain for real votes for political parties. But there seems to be no vote system that can achieve that that is not prone to manipulation and still are free, secret, equal, directly and general.

I really would love to have a system like that. I know the pirate parties of the world, i would say the pirate party might be the biggest global political party now, would gladly take that system over.

[mallard]

Anyway... i tried to find a way to use the blockchain for real votes for political parties. But there seems to be no vote system that can achieve that that is not prone to manipulation and still are free, secret, equal, directly and general.

Is that not a good thing though?
Should the votes of 100 people which hold next to no BTC be worth more than 99 people that hold a lot of BTC?

[ATguy]

In a decentralized environment, voting would be the only option like democratic country has election to select their leaders. Like that to solve blocksize problem we need to go with what majority of the people vote for. This is in belief of majority of people would take a right one.

Well, you can not force the voting minority to accept the new rules voted by majority, unless the new rules are still better option for the minority than other options. Because the minority has real freedoom to not use the new rules (so different from government democracy), the best approach is widely accepted compromise here.

[Gleb Gamow]

Well, could be the opportunity to save it from the brink. Anyway, I'm just looking for solutions. The blocksize problem has to go and I certainly like the idea of a consensus, but I don't see one emerging soon.

I firmly disagree of getting the Bitcoin Foundation up after what has happened. They were as corrupt as some governments out there. But I'll stop here as the Foundation isn't the scope of this thread.

I'm pretty certain that consensus will be reached. At the very worse it will be reached when everyone has the rope on their necks and time is running out for 1MB blocks

BRB!

We need the bitcoin foundation to fix the blocksize problem

I'm back. Had to check on something. ^^^^^{^^^^}

[PolarPoint]

The foundation has been dysfunctional for years. I do not think they are able to help with the blocksize problem. It would be nice if they can get together and help solve this, to prove that they are not completely useless.   

[SebastianJu]

Anyway... i tried to find a way to use the blockchain for real votes for political parties. But there seems to be no vote system that can achieve that that is not prone to manipulation and still are free, secret, equal, directly and general.

Is that not a good thing though?
Should the votes of 100 people which hold next to no BTC be worth more than 99 people that hold a lot of BTC?

The people should matter since they are the user. Why should the ones owning the most bitcoins rule over bitcoin? It would be like a government. And they would simply not sell their coins and they could rule over bitcoin for eternity.

There is no reason that rich early adopters should rule while most of the users don't have a voice.

You might have a threshold but even then you might make users in poor countries have no voice. Having no voice is always a bad thing.

[brg444]

Anyway... i tried to find a way to use the blockchain for real votes for political parties. But there seems to be no vote system that can achieve that that is not prone to manipulation and still are free, secret, equal, directly and general.

Is that not a good thing though?
Should the votes of 100 people which hold next to no BTC be worth more than 99 people that hold a lot of BTC?

The people should matter since they are the user. Why should the ones owning the most bitcoins rule over bitcoin? It would be like a government. And they would simply not sell their coins and they could rule over bitcoin for eternity.

There is no reason that rich early adopters should rule while most of the users don't have a voice.

You might have a threshold but even then you might make users in poor countries have no voice. Having no voice is always a bad thing.

It's quite simple really you have two options if you want to participate in Bitcoin's governance: own coins or become a peer (run a full node).

Yes, the amount of coin is absolutely proportionate to the influence your voice can have. No, there is nothing discriminatory about that, it's called capitalism.

[neonshium]

Bitcoin foundation can't solve this problem, they only really participate in bitcoin at early age of bitcoin only, we need to fix this problem ourselves.
Just ask bitcoin XT to run their own node & let's see if total real bitcoin XT node can beat total real bitcoin core node, that's simple than various way which is long, very complicated & full of drama.

Bitcoin XT is already running. They need 75% blocks to be generated by Xt supported nodes out of last 1000 blocks to make XT into implementation. Let us wait till their dead line date.

[Minecache]

I wish Satoshi would come out of the shadows to resolve this issue once and for all.

[n2004al]

The whole community has seen it: BTC has a problem. The world's markets are in turmoil and BTC, which should be some kind of a safe heaven to store your cash, pretty much like gold once was, isn't performing as hoped. Far from it actually, it's sinking because of the blocksize debate and the recent fork.

A solution would be a moral authority to take the difficult technical decisions, and that was supposed to be the role of the BTC foundation a while ago. Today unfortunately, many folks don't even know the existence of the foundation. Well, it still exists, right?

I hope the BTC foundation could help the community to put the blocksize debate behind us.

I think that no one do something. Not any human kind and not whatever bitcoin community. If they have decided (the main developers of bitcoin) to work separately (everyone for its choice) the discussion is ended. It is started the time of the work. They are working separately to fulfill that they want. Cannot be nothing and end of story.

[Lauda]

The whole community has seen it: BTC has a problem.

No, it does not.

I hope the BTC foundation could help the community to put the blocksize debate behind us.

Hopefully it does nothing.

I wish Satoshi would come out of the shadows to resolve this issue once and for all.

Please stop calling out ti Satoshi like he's the ultimate savior. This is a classic appeal to authority. Just because he created Bitcoin, it does not mean that he has the right answer to every problem.

[Realpra]

I still believe the Foundation may prove useful sometimes in the future. I understand many people distrust them, but they now have an opportunity to regain some trust, so if they're smart (maybe they're not), they should seize it. Besides the blocksize problem, another issue is that the BTC community is divided. I could invest more money into BTC, but that division is telling me to wait till things are settled.

I'm on the board of the Danish Bitcoin Foundation - an affiliate of TBF.

They are not answering our emails anymore, we don't have any contact person with them and their membership system that we integrated into our site is down/not working.

They are pretty goddamn dead it seems to me...

[Minecache]

The whole community has seen it: BTC has a problem.

No, it does not.

I hope the BTC foundation could help the community to put the blocksize debate behind us.

Hopefully it does nothing.

I wish Satoshi would come out of the shadows to resolve this issue once and for all.

Please stop calling out ti Satoshi like he's the ultimate savior. This is a classic appeal to authority. Just because he created Bitcoin, it does not mean that he has the right answer to every problem.

Nothing to do with authority. It's Satoshis baby. He probably has a better thought or vision than anyone.

[Lauda]

Nothing to do with authority. It's Satoshis baby. He probably has a better thought or vision than anyone.

No, he certainly does not. This mindset is wrong. Please read this article. You can't expect satoshi to have all the perfect answers needed in the future just because he created Bitcoin. Regardless, satoshi is gone and it is time to stop calling him out in arguments.