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August 26, 2015, 10:35:06 PM
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August 26, 2015, 10:53:51 PM
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Bitcoin? Call the police!

Money laundering, drugs, child pornography and weapons. Anything else I’ve forgotten?
Have you also forgotten that I can use fiat for all of the above as well. Except with Bitcoin, ANYONE can follow the money trail and see if I am doing any of the above. Only certain people can see your money trail with fiat (unless you use cash which becomes much harder).

You also forgot that I can buy computer parts, computers, food, groceries, games, toys, and a whole bunch of other things that you can also buy with fiat.

Do you understand yet why someone created anonymous money?
It is pseudonymous actually. Which means that names are not associated with the addresses, but anyone can still see all of your transactions. So if someone figures out who is behind various addresses, he can see everything that person is spending money on, be it child porn, weapons, food, or video games.

I spent a year in the Bitcoin business and what is the result? I lost all I had and now I am asking for help to investigate the thieves who stole our money. 
We were first hacked, then robbed of most of the money intended for the project CzechCrownCoin.
And whose fault is that? Are you suggesting that banks can't be robbed or hacked and all of the money stolen? Are you suggesting that people's bank accounts can't be hacked and all of the money stolen? Bitcoin allows you to be your own bank, so you must also figure out PROPER SECURITY PRACTICES which banks must also do for fiat. Otherwise, you are at risk of being hacked. It's not Bitcoin's fault, its yours.

I believe we were not the first to suffer.
Nope. Not at all. But some also don't complain about it and others figure out how to solve the problem

Can any honest enterpreneurs operate in such an environment?
Hundreds if not thousands of entrepreneurs operate and survive. There are many Bitcoin startups and they are doing just fine. Just take a look how some of the biggest Bitcoin companies are doing. Remember, many of them are small teams working on the project and only went up a few years ago to capitalize on this amazing new technology.

My personal experience is that they cannot. I have filed a complaint with both the CIA (registered number C52WDE) and the FBI (Complaint Id - I1508201506442831). I want to know who is responsible for that robbery.
Well that isn't going to get you anywhere. Law enforcement isn't going to help. They neither have the time nor resources to deal with "magical internet money". Try asking people on this forum for help. There are many people here who are very experiences with tracking addresses and experienced in Bitcoin in general. Provide enough details (addresses, txids) and I'm sure several people will help you track down the thieves. It is unlikely you won't get the Bitcoin back, but the odds are higher than going to the CIA or the FBI for help.

It is impossible to do business in a field where there are so many phantom players and racketeers endlessly attacking.

This is not the place for innocents. These are dark, shark-infested waters. Don’t go swimming here unless you have someone to cover your ass. You will lose all you have and then become a fall guy. If you are stubborn you will just simply disappear.

That is Bitcoin reality.

And it will not change until every Bitcoin wallet has the name of its user, as with a bank account.

Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies have reached the point in their development when they must choose between continuing as regulated currencies or finish. Because it is not possible to build a business which is oriented towards criminality.
How is it oriented towards criminality? The majority of transactions of Bitcoin are not for criminal or nefarious purposes, but rather for legitimate purposes like buying and selling goods. There are many successful legitimate Bitcoin businesses that are thriving.

Our case is evidence that anonymous marauders have robbed us and safely disappeared, under cover of Bitcoin. If this can happen to me, it can happen to anybody and nobody is safe. A solution must be found.

What is needed is an international supervisory body protecting the interests of cryptocurrency entrepreneurs and users with powers of enforcement.

Such a supervisory body, however, cannot function without the support of a police authority possessing human and technical means to track, monitor and trace the rogue cryptocurrency users who are abusing the system for malicious purposes. A draft proposal has already been sent to CIA: http://[Suspicious link removed]/forum/index.php?topic=4473
We can hope that some action will be taken. The chance should not be missed to create a fair business enviroment.
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So you propose the centralize Bitcoin? And what good would that do? Take a look at fiat. There are plenty of governing and enforcement agencies that attempt to prevent criminals from doing evil with fiat, but what good are they doing? Very little. Even with all of fiat's regulations, there are still more criminal and nefarious transactions that occur with fiat than do with Bitcoin.

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August 26, 2015, 11:10:14 PM
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I have filed a complaint with both the CIA (registered number C52WDE)

I was not aware that you could file such a complaint with the CIA.
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August 26, 2015, 11:22:22 PM
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I have filed a complaint with both the CIA (registered number C52WDE)

I was not aware that you could file such a complaint with the CIA.
This also interested me.

Please explain how you filed a complaint with the CIA.

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August 26, 2015, 11:25:21 PM
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I have filed a complaint with both the CIA (registered number C52WDE)

I was not aware that you could file such a complaint with the CIA.
This also interested me.

Please explain how you filed a complaint with the CIA.

This interests me as well. I want to file complaints to CIA against some Alt coin devs. Smiley

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August 26, 2015, 11:30:14 PM
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This is also interesting:

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A draft proposal has already been sent to CIA: http://[Suspicious link removed]/forum/index.php?topic=4473

Is this the link to the CIA forum?

Do you work for the CIA?  Where is this CIA forum you used?

He only has two posts, this one and a deleted one, it would also be interesting to see his deleted post.

No donations to his "cause" yet either:

https://blockchain.info/address/16aUA68RwMBzznqczK6QJvKEoByPSCQLWM

Our family was terrorized by Homeland Security.  Read all about it here:  http://www.jmwagner.com/ and http://www.burtw.com/  Any donations to help us recover from the $300,000 in legal fees and forced donations to the Federal Asset Forfeiture slush fund are greatly appreciated!
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August 26, 2015, 11:47:21 PM
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This is also interesting:

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A draft proposal has already been sent to CIA: http://[Suspicious link removed]/forum/index.php?topic=4473

Is this the link to the CIA forum?

Do you work for the CIA?  Where is this CIA forum you used?

He only has two posts, this one and a deleted one, it would also be interesting to see his deleted post.

No donations to his "cause" yet either:

https://blockchain.info/address/16aUA68RwMBzznqczK6QJvKEoByPSCQLWM

You can certainly contact them on their website, but I don't know how to file a complaint with them or what forum it was that he linked to.

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August 27, 2015, 12:04:57 AM
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I think I can understand your frustration here, I think everyone can really but you are kind of missing the point and it is quite a big one. Bitcoin is built around trust or more correctly the lack of trust. It is built on the premise that you can trust no one, not the CIA, the FBI, the banks, other criminals and in your case, not even yourself and to be honest there are very few people that are capable of trusting themselves because it is the Wild West out there. I think knightdk provided you with a rational reply and some good advice. You could now go on to help make sure that what happened to you does not happen to others and remember why you thought BTC was such a good idea in the first place. I’m sure you can find an ALT that has registered addresses and all the participants are happy with that but I think you will have an impossible time convincing the bitcoin community in its entirety that this is the way forward and that should be blatantly obvious considering recent discussion.
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August 27, 2015, 12:05:49 AM
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wanting a non state controlled currency, yet running to the state at the slightest hint of trouble   Huh

think you'd best stick to fiat in future.
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August 27, 2015, 12:19:13 AM
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So you demonize Bitcoin, because of your security mistakes? You demonize the coin you hoped to clone and make money off of, because you fucked up? Anonymous tips to the CIA/FBI won't do much in terms of your attacker returning the stolen funds....
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August 27, 2015, 12:33:00 AM
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the HUGE positive to bitcoin is it puts you in charge of your own money, the downside to this is it puts you in charge of your own money  Shocked
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August 27, 2015, 12:33:17 AM
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You forgot your tl;dr - "I didn't secure my coinz and now I gots no munneyz. u r all thiefs and pedos."


Honestly I can understand why you're mad, but come on dude. If you dropped your wallet in Times Square without any kind of protection or ID would you really be surprised when it was emptied? Encrypt, freeze, take offline. Bitcoin seems to be extremely safe if you just take care of your property.



EDIT: Oh wait, i just noticed you made your account just to complain. I call bull crap. Never happened.

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August 27, 2015, 12:42:56 AM
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You forgot your tl;dr - "I didn't secure my coinz and now I gots no munneyz. u r all thiefs and pedos."


Honestly I can understand why you're mad, but come on dude. If you dropped your wallet in Times Square without any kind of protection or ID would you really be surprised when it was emptied? Encrypt, freeze, take offline. Bitcoin seems to be extremely safe if you just take care of your property.



EDIT: Oh wait, i just noticed you made your account just to complain. I call bull crap. Never happened.
I call bull crap too. It is probably a bs story that is trying to get the guy some Bitcoin donated to his address. Basically just an elaborate cover up for some begging.

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August 27, 2015, 01:21:36 AM
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YEA! A governing body that monitors and protects Bitcoin! We can call it the FED! O wait we already have that....


On a side note I saw a letter drafted to the "CIA" circulating on Twitter with the same " czechcrowncoin" name. Didn't need to read it after I saw the name "czechcrowncoin".

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August 27, 2015, 01:36:28 AM
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You forgot your tl;dr - "I didn't secure my coinz and now I gots no munneyz. u r all thiefs and pedos."


Honestly I can understand why you're mad, but come on dude. If you dropped your wallet in Times Square without any kind of protection or ID would you really be surprised when it was emptied? Encrypt, freeze, take offline. Bitcoin seems to be extremely safe if you just take care of your property.



EDIT: Oh wait, i just noticed you made your account just to complain. I call bull crap. Never happened.
I call bull crap too. It is probably a bs story that is trying to get the guy some Bitcoin donated to his address. Basically just an elaborate cover up for some begging.
Around the part of the city I live in there are a lot of people asking me for spare change, spare cigarettes (even though I don't smoke) and now people are asking me for money online. What has this world come to? Everyone wants something for nothing.

Signatures? How about learning a skill... I don't care either way. Everybody has to make a living somehow.
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August 27, 2015, 01:51:38 AM
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Bitcoins largest strength is also it's biggest downfall, anonymity can be a blessing and a curse.
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August 27, 2015, 02:12:47 AM
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On a side note I saw a letter drafted to the "CIA" circulating on Twitter with the same " czechcrowncoin" name. Didn't need to read it after I saw the name "czechcrowncoin".

This is the same OP who put forward a proposal for cooperation from the CIA for his alt coin, so I don't think any balanced view of Bitcoin's needs will be likely.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1148744.0
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August 27, 2015, 02:17:42 AM
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I call bull crap. Never happened.

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August 27, 2015, 03:19:57 AM
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the HUGE positive to bitcoin is it puts you in charge of your own money, the downside to this is it puts you in charge of your own money  Shocked

Yes. There is risk when you manage your money by yourself
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August 27, 2015, 04:40:47 AM
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Bitcoin? Call the police!

Money laundering, drugs, child pornography and weapons. Anything else I’ve forgotten?
Have you also forgotten that I can use fiat for all of the above as well. Except with Bitcoin, ANYONE can follow the money trail and see if I am doing any of the above. Only certain people can see your money trail with fiat (unless you use cash which becomes much harder).

You also forgot that I can buy computer parts, computers, food, groceries, games, toys, and a whole bunch of other things that you can also buy with fiat.

Do you understand yet why someone created anonymous money?
It is pseudonymous actually. Which means that names are not associated with the addresses, but anyone can still see all of your transactions. So if someone figures out who is behind various addresses, he can see everything that person is spending money on, be it child porn, weapons, food, or video games.

I spent a year in the Bitcoin business and what is the result? I lost all I had and now I am asking for help to investigate the thieves who stole our money.  
We were first hacked, then robbed of most of the money intended for the project CzechCrownCoin.
And whose fault is that? Are you suggesting that banks can't be robbed or hacked and all of the money stolen? Are you suggesting that people's bank accounts can't be hacked and all of the money stolen? Bitcoin allows you to be your own bank, so you must also figure out PROPER SECURITY PRACTICES which banks must also do for fiat. Otherwise, you are at risk of being hacked. It's not Bitcoin's fault, its yours.

I believe we were not the first to suffer.
Nope. Not at all. But some also don't complain about it and others figure out how to solve the problem

Can any honest enterpreneurs operate in such an environment?
Hundreds if not thousands of entrepreneurs operate and survive. There are many Bitcoin startups and they are doing just fine. Just take a look how some of the biggest Bitcoin companies are doing. Remember, many of them are small teams working on the project and only went up a few years ago to capitalize on this amazing new technology.

My personal experience is that they cannot. I have filed a complaint with both the CIA (registered number C52WDE) and the FBI (Complaint Id - I1508201506442831). I want to know who is responsible for that robbery.
Well that isn't going to get you anywhere. Law enforcement isn't going to help. They neither have the time nor resources to deal with "magical internet money". Try asking people on this forum for help. There are many people here who are very experiences with tracking addresses and experienced in Bitcoin in general. Provide enough details (addresses, txids) and I'm sure several people will help you track down the thieves. It is unlikely you won't get the Bitcoin back, but the odds are higher than going to the CIA or the FBI for help.

It is impossible to do business in a field where there are so many phantom players and racketeers endlessly attacking.

This is not the place for innocents. These are dark, shark-infested waters. Don’t go swimming here unless you have someone to cover your ass. You will lose all you have and then become a fall guy. If you are stubborn you will just simply disappear.

That is Bitcoin reality.

And it will not change until every Bitcoin wallet has the name of its user, as with a bank account.

Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies have reached the point in their development when they must choose between continuing as regulated currencies or finish. Because it is not possible to build a business which is oriented towards criminality.
How is it oriented towards criminality? The majority of transactions of Bitcoin are not for criminal or nefarious purposes, but rather for legitimate purposes like buying and selling goods. There are many successful legitimate Bitcoin businesses that are thriving.

Our case is evidence that anonymous marauders have robbed us and safely disappeared, under cover of Bitcoin. If this can happen to me, it can happen to anybody and nobody is safe. A solution must be found.

What is needed is an international supervisory body protecting the interests of cryptocurrency entrepreneurs and users with powers of enforcement.

Such a supervisory body, however, cannot function without the support of a police authority possessing human and technical means to track, monitor and trace the rogue cryptocurrency users who are abusing the system for malicious purposes. A draft proposal has already been sent to CIA: http://[Suspicious link removed]/forum/index.php?topic=4473
We can hope that some action will be taken. The chance should not be missed to create a fair business enviroment.
Donate: 16aUA68RwMBzznqczK6QJvKEoByPSCQLWM BTC

So you propose the centralize Bitcoin? And what good would that do? Take a look at fiat. There are plenty of governing and enforcement agencies that attempt to prevent criminals from doing evil with fiat, but what good are they doing? Very little. Even with all of fiat's regulations, there are still more criminal and nefarious transactions that occur with fiat than do with Bitcoin.

Well countered. I agree with most of your counters. I appreciate your job!!
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