Shooting Faked? Video

[Derek492]

Reporter shooting fake?

m.liveleak.com/view?i=b0c_1440615353

[UliJonHoth]

I'm just going to state my thoughts from my first viewing of this event from the shooter's footage - first thing that raised red flags was how the shooter is standing closely to the victims and what one would think easy visibility of the reporter and woman she is interviewing, let alone the fact he is standing directly behind the cameraman yet not once does anyone look towards him. When shots are fired, you see no visible contact or spray and the slow-motion footage is slowed to where you can see along the ground and notice no blood whatsoever. These are bizarre times we are living in and I trust nothing coming out of this country's media at this point and time.

[Vod]

let alone the fact he is standing directly behind the cameraman yet not once does anyone look towards him.

I know on camera personalities are trained to ignore people around them.

[Elwar]

So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

As for the lack of movie/TV/video game blood splatter, it appears that he used a small caliber weapon. The longer video records 14 shots after that short video. Even when he tried to shoot himself in the head he survived long enough to be taken to the hospital. Obviously something like a 9mm that does not leave a huge exit wound and likely does not even go all the way through the body.

[Spendulus]

So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

As for the lack of movie/TV/video game blood splatter, it appears that he used a small caliber weapon. The longer video records 14 shots after that short video. Even when he tried to shoot himself in the head he survived long enough to be taken to the hospital. Obviously something like a 9mm that does not leave a huge exit wound and likely does not even go all the way through the body.

This is not accurate.

You would have to get to .22 to expect those characteristics.

Projectile velocity and shape is more important than caliber. 9mm can be had anywhere from 800 fps to 1300+ fps, and full jacketed vs hollow point, etc.

[Elwar]

So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

As for the lack of movie/TV/video game blood splatter, it appears that he used a small caliber weapon. The longer video records 14 shots after that short video. Even when he tried to shoot himself in the head he survived long enough to be taken to the hospital. Obviously something like a 9mm that does not leave a huge exit wound and likely does not even go all the way through the body.

This is not accurate.

You would have to get to .22 to expect those characteristics.

Projectile velocity and shape is more important than caliber. 9mm can be had anywhere from 800 fps to 1300+ fps, and full jacketed vs hollow point, etc.

My gun knowledge is very sparse so I will defer to you on that one. Same concept though, it took almost 20 shots to kill 2 people so obviously not high caliber.

[hilariousandco]

So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

Exactly. Conspiracy theorists will make a conspiracy out of absolutely anything at all. Please someone tell me what would be the benefit of faking this incident and for what motives?

[Was]

So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

Exactly. Conspiracy theorists will make a conspiracy out of absolutely anything at all. Please someone tell me what would be the benefit of faking this incident and for what motives?

This shooting looks obviously staged, so much so, I thought it was a joke.

However, there have been many shooting "drills" in the recent month, and it just so happens these reporters, and news company in particular, reported on one at a school about a week ago. I Forget the exact link on this webpage but they had dates for drills scheduled where supposed "fatal shootings' were reported on my mainstream media... I believe the Church Shooting was one fletc.gov

EDIT: Here ya go :https://www.fletc.gov/training-calendar

it was the charleston shooting that the dates matched up to the "event"

[stevegreer]

So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

Exactly. Conspiracy theorists will make a conspiracy out of absolutely anything at all. Please someone tell me what would be the benefit of faking this incident and for what motives?

Well, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but given the fact that Hillary Clinton and Obama both immediately jumped on the gun control wagon, yet again, I would say a lot stands to benefit. Of course, the rational side of me thinks that Hillary jumped on it so quickly because she wanted to use this tragedy to deflect some of the heat away from her email mess. She is heartless.

[Possum577]

So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

Exactly. Conspiracy theorists will make a conspiracy out of absolutely anything at all. Please someone tell me what would be the benefit of faking this incident and for what motives?

Well, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but given the fact that Hillary Clinton and Obama both immediately jumped on the gun control wagon, yet again, I would say a lot stands to benefit. Of course, the rational side of me thinks that Hillary jumped on it so quickly because she wanted to use this tragedy to deflect some of the heat away from her email mess. She is heartless.

WOW...do you think before you write stuff like this? Of course they would, they're for gun control and this tragedy represents an opportunity for them to point the finger and say "see, guns are bad, we need to control them!"

The fact that you can try to spin their logical response into a weave of conspiracy theory that has zero logic or motive or reason behind it is hilarious (first) and sad (second).

Reporter shooting fake?

m.liveleak.com/view?i=b0c_1440615353

The person who posted this video implies a tone of inaccuracies too. The station was just reporting on a shooting drill at college, they weren't in on it or "working with authorities". There are impacts, you can see the woman's body move in reaction.

What conspiracy, what reason for "faking" this would exist? That's one key bit of information that no one can seem to come up with...

[MakingMoneyHoney]

I was going to post about this. I find it incredibly sick that people who love her are talking on the news all day... and tweeting about it, etc.

But it "could" be real. Don't you think it's a bit sad that we have to wonder if it's real or not?

Here's a couple videos to check out:

Virginia Shooting Hoax Agenda 'We’ve Got to Do Something About Crazy People Getting Guns’

Virginia WDBJ Shooting Hoax FULLY Exposed! Complete Breakdown Of The Event - 100% Busted

You may not belief everything you hear, but there's some good discussion about tweets and video.

[Possum577]

I was going to post about this. I find it incredibly sick that people who love her are talking on the news all day... and tweeting about it, etc.

But it "could" be real. Don't you think it's a bit sad that we have to wonder if it's real or not?

Here's a couple videos to check out:

Virginia Shooting Hoax Agenda 'We’ve Got to Do Something About Crazy People Getting Guns’

Virginia WDBJ Shooting Hoax FULLY Exposed! Complete Breakdown Of The Event - 100% Busted

You may not belief everything you hear, but there's some good discussion about tweets and video.

Dude, you just posted links to the people who produced the live leak video talking about their video...of course they're going to support there bullshit conspiracy claims.

They probably could see someone standing there, out of the "corner of their eye" but could easily not see that there was a gun (since they would never expect there to be one) and they're not going to stop the interview just because someone walks up. That kind of stuff happens all the time when a newscast is being broadcast.

I can explain away all of the points that they're spending the entire discussion repeating.

The only thing that's suspect about this is that there were people ready to claim "hoax" within 48 hours of it happening...almost like they were waiting for anything to come along to use as an opportunity to gain some fame. These guys disgrace Canada!

[Elwar]

Because it didn't look like it does in movies it must be fake.

Right?

[MakingMoneyHoney]

I can explain away all of the points that they're spending the entire discussion repeating.

Sometimes you have to take a step back and look at something again in a different light to get better picture. Whether or not you can explain everything that anyone could bring up... people will argue their way for eternity on a multitude of issues.

But put yourself in the place of the father or the fiance. Then think about being on interview after interview the day or day after you learned she had died. The finance seemed to even have a smile in one.

I certainly wouldn't want to be a loved one of either of them.

Edit:

I lost my dog last year, and I had to take care of her, and bring her to the vet, and I cried and cried, I could not even think about doing anything else but lying in bed crying. How can these people think about going on air the day of.....and smiling.

[RealMalatesta]

I should invest in tinfoil instead of Bitcoins... with all these conspiracy theorists, I could make a fortune....

Could well be a .22 gun. If you take the video and analyse the frames, you see that a bullet is moving her clothes. So there is an impact. And for all the desktop-soldiers who know shooting wounds only from their video games: If you hit the stomach with a .22 bullet, the victim isn't killed immedeately. Also, there is normally not a lot of blood splattering around as you may know it from video games. Often, the bleeding starts after some seconds because the projectile hasn't so much velocity on impact with a smaller gun and the there is a compression of the structures when the bullet enters.

In this video, it looks as if the first shoot hit the lower abdomen, i.e. the inner organs were hit. This doesn't kill immedeately, but will easily kill you.

And just use some logics: IF this were a conspiracy (with what goal???), there would be many persons involved. Four on the spot of the crime. All relatives. All employees. A lot of cops. All this only to make a political statement regarding gun controls? That is just plain paranoia...

[stevegreer]

So, all of these people were in on it and now 3 people have to change their identities and move far away to perpetuate the hoax.

Or...one guy shot 3 people, one of which survived, then shot himself.

Exactly. Conspiracy theorists will make a conspiracy out of absolutely anything at all. Please someone tell me what would be the benefit of faking this incident and for what motives?

Well, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but given the fact that Hillary Clinton and Obama both immediately jumped on the gun control wagon, yet again, I would say a lot stands to benefit. Of course, the rational side of me thinks that Hillary jumped on it so quickly because she wanted to use this tragedy to deflect some of the heat away from her email mess. She is heartless.

WOW...do you think before you write stuff like this? Of course they would, they're for gun control and this tragedy represents an opportunity for them to point the finger and say "see, guns are bad, we need to control them!"

The fact that you can try to spin their logical response into a weave of conspiracy theory that has zero logic or motive or reason behind it is hilarious (first) and sad (second).

Reporter shooting fake?

m.liveleak.com/view?i=b0c_1440615353

The person who posted this video implies a tone of inaccuracies too. The station was just reporting on a shooting drill at college, they weren't in on it or "working with authorities". There are impacts, you can see the woman's body move in reaction.

What conspiracy, what reason for "faking" this would exist? That's one key bit of information that no one can seem to come up with...

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Did you miss the part where I said I'm not a conspiracy theorist? Did you fail to comprehend that I said Hillary and Obama are using it to further their agenda? That's the same exact thing you said in your failed rebuttal, just worded differently.
The fact that you failed to comprehend what I wrote and immediately tried to spin it to make me seem like a conspiracy nut is, in your words, hilarious and sad. Maybe next time you should make sure you understand what a person wrote before you jump in and throw insults.

[UliJonHoth]

I should invest in tinfoil instead of Bitcoins... with all these conspiracy theorists, I could make a fortune....

Could well be a .22 gun. If you take the video and analyse the frames, you see that a bullet is moving her clothes. So there is an impact. And for all the desktop-soldiers who know shooting wounds only from their video games: If you hit the stomach with a .22 bullet, the victim isn't killed immedeately. Also, there is normally not a lot of blood splattering around as you may know it from video games. Often, the bleeding starts after some seconds because the projectile hasn't so much velocity on impact with a smaller gun and the there is a compression of the structures when the bullet enters.

In this video, it looks as if the first shoot hit the lower abdomen, i.e. the inner organs were hit. This doesn't kill immedeately, but will easily kill you.

And just use some logics: IF this were a conspiracy (with what goal???), there would be many persons involved. Four on the spot of the crime. All relatives. All employees. A lot of cops. All this only to make a political statement regarding gun controls? That is just plain paranoia...

It was a Glock 9mm seen in the video, not a .22

[RealMalatesta]

I should invest in tinfoil instead of Bitcoins... with all these conspiracy theorists, I could make a fortune....

Could well be a .22 gun. If you take the video and analyse the frames, you see that a bullet is moving her clothes. So there is an impact. And for all the desktop-soldiers who know shooting wounds only from their video games: If you hit the stomach with a .22 bullet, the victim isn't killed immedeately. Also, there is normally not a lot of blood splattering around as you may know it from video games. Often, the bleeding starts after some seconds because the projectile hasn't so much velocity on impact with a smaller gun and the there is a compression of the structures when the bullet enters.

In this video, it looks as if the first shoot hit the lower abdomen, i.e. the inner organs were hit. This doesn't kill immedeately, but will easily kill you.

And just use some logics: IF this were a conspiracy (with what goal???), there would be many persons involved. Four on the spot of the crime. All relatives. All employees. A lot of cops. All this only to make a political statement regarding gun controls? That is just plain paranoia...

It was a Glock 9mm seen in the video, not a .22

You most probably are right. And this would also explain why there's no blood visible and why the shoots were deadly. There are, of course, a lot of factors when you examine the wound of a shooting. However, a good base in forensics is the vulnerability index. A 9mm bullet in laboratory conditions has its biggest effect about 5 centimeters in the body. Then, the bullet loses most of energy. For those who are interested: There's a lot of scientific material available regarding "relative incapacitation index". This is partly outdated, but gives an idea about the effectivity of bullets. In correlation with the "vulnerability index", you will understand why the reality hasn't a lot to do what we see in movies and games.

[apollofire]

Congress is remain silent on Gun Control. What they are waiting for? Such tragedies should not happen with anyone.

[Elwar]

Congress is remain silent on Gun Control. What they are waiting for? Such tragedies should not happen with anyone.

They are also silent on anti-depressant control.