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September 14, 2015, 05:24:36 PM
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I have two questions for you searchtrade:

1.) your site still isn't running, correct?  I see that your link to the keyword crowd-sale is still running, but it appears that "searchtrade.com" is giving server error messages.

2.) can you go into a little more details about the "math" or algorithm to calculate the payout per search?  Is the payout per day pre-determined as a percentage of the community pool, or based on extrapolating rate of growth to last so many days, as to allow more money to enter the pool before it dries up?  How does it work?
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September 14, 2015, 10:10:52 PM
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Thanks for quick reply.

One more question about the search payout: so, if a person searches "how to rock climb" and "how", "to", "rock", and "climb" are all keywords that are owned by community members, then the person who made the search would get 400 satoshi (100 for each keyword hit)?  And if one person owned three of those four words, they would get 300 satoshi, if I understand you correctly.
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September 15, 2015, 04:44:01 AM
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Backup just a little bit; your project seems an innovative take on search business, but you say people will get paid to search? How does this work please?

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September 15, 2015, 04:47:13 AM
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Backup just a little bit; your project seems an innovative take on search business, but you say people will get paid to search? How does this work please?

that's nothing new. you can get paid by Bing for searches too. or by many other get paid to services.

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September 15, 2015, 08:05:39 AM
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How much did keywords like "sex" and "porn" cost?

Is the company going to publish info like that?

BTW how do you intend to fight back serchbots that's gonna make repeated searches with the same keyword in order to profit from that?

All keywords were sold at .4 btc flat value of these keywords will alter once system starts and users can trade with each other.

We allow individual users to make 40 paid searches a day and implementing limits to number of paid searches an individual IP can make.

why didn't you address the bitcoin proof / addresses? or is every sale a fake one? Cheesy
Mate I don't think there is any "artificially bought", you guys love to claim SCAM SCAM all over the place every time someone comes with a nice idea right?

Just chill and have a bit of patience and trust in human being

you think or do you know? they promised to show bitcoin addresses and verify them. never happened, so it's only natural to be suspicious.

Well making coins public is a good way to show that we have the money but how does one know where the coins came from where will they go. anyway am posting picture of my wallet. which has 146 btc balance. Rest of the BTC is in another wallet that we were using to sell to friends and family. As you can see we have more than half that is 96.2 btc that needs to go into pool for payouts thank you

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Posting a simple image dosen't proove anything , and definitly dosen't proove that you own this , it could be photoshoped or anything else .
I'am not even sure why someone with this huge amount keep them on Smartphone wallet , this should be kept on Cold storage or at least Two Factor authentification Desktop wallet .

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September 15, 2015, 08:22:20 AM
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How much did keywords like "sex" and "porn" cost?

Is the company going to publish info like that?

BTW how do you intend to fight back serchbots that's gonna make repeated searches with the same keyword in order to profit from that?

All keywords were sold at .4 btc flat value of these keywords will alter once system starts and users can trade with each other.

We allow individual users to make 40 paid searches a day and implementing limits to number of paid searches an individual IP can make.

why didn't you address the bitcoin proof / addresses? or is every sale a fake one? Cheesy
Mate I don't think there is any "artificially bought", you guys love to claim SCAM SCAM all over the place every time someone comes with a nice idea right?

Just chill and have a bit of patience and trust in human being

you think or do you know? they promised to show bitcoin addresses and verify them. never happened, so it's only natural to be suspicious.

Well making coins public is a good way to show that we have the money but how does one know where the coins came from where will they go. anyway am posting picture of my wallet. which has 146 btc balance. Rest of the BTC is in another wallet that we were using to sell to friends and family. As you can see we have more than half that is 96.2 btc that needs to go into pool for payouts thank you

Wallet Image

Posting a simple image dosen't proove anything , and definitly dosen't proove that you own this , it could be photoshoped or anything else .
I'am not even sure why someone with this huge amount keep them on Smartphone wallet , this should be kept on Cold storage or at least Two Factor authentification Desktop wallet .

+1. Posting an simple image doesn't prove anything. Post a signed message showing ownership of addresses

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September 15, 2015, 09:23:08 AM
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So after you psoted on my topic : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1169587.20
I only have one question now , Could you please post the adresses that you own and they contain the funds for real and sign messages from them ? that way we can be sure that this is legit and you may even get more investors .

Sure we can, Will post it here nxt week. Thanx for making the effort.


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So I can prove that I have the money and than it does not matter what we do with it. This is all that you guys are getting. If you believe we are a scam don't indulge in our business. Thank You
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September 15, 2015, 01:39:28 PM
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Trust is a precious commodity and can only be earned with work, time and effort. To put it in simple language we value people that have shown trust in us and hope with time and our work we will win trust of people who still doubt our intentions.


Yep, trust is very precious. So... I see you've now extended the pre-sale price of 0.4 per keyword to 1000 units instead of the 500 it previously was. You had said that after the block total was reached ( 000/500 ) that each block would go down by 10% each time.

As an investor, I find the moving of goal posts a touch worrying. Is there some explanation for this?
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September 15, 2015, 01:42:16 PM
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Trust is a precious commodity and can only be earned with work, time and effort. To put it in simple language we value people that have shown trust in us and hope with time and our work we will win trust of people who still doubt our intentions.


Yep, trust is very precious. So... I see you've now extended the pre-sale price of 0.4 per keyword to 1000 units instead of the 500 it previously was. You had said that after the block total was reached ( 000/500 ) that each block would go down by 10% each time.

As an investor, I find the moving of goal posts a touch worrying. Is there some explanation for this?

Yes there is one actually , this is a scam .
Him not wanting to provide a simple signed messages from one of his big adresses explains a lot of things

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September 15, 2015, 02:40:32 PM
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Trust is a precious commodity and can only be earned with work, time and effort. To put it in simple language we value people that have shown trust in us and hope with time and our work we will win trust of people who still doubt our intentions.


Yep, trust is very precious. So... I see you've now extended the pre-sale price of 0.4 per keyword to 1000 units instead of the 500 it previously was. You had said that after the block total was reached ( 000/500 ) that each block would go down by 10% each time.

As an investor, I find the moving of goal posts a touch worrying. Is there some explanation for this?

Yes there is one actually , this is a scam .
Him not wanting to provide a simple signed messages from one of his big adresses explains a lot of things

Maybe you want a couple of keywords with the BTC you earn through that signatura campaign right?

I believe that is why you are posting shit all over without further researching
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September 15, 2015, 02:52:48 PM
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I have checked your site and found it is in pre launch state. The point i like the most is that you will also pay the users who do searches. Hope to see it live within some months.
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September 16, 2015, 01:49:49 AM
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Trust is a precious commodity and can only be earned with work, time and effort. To put it in simple language we value people that have shown trust in us and hope with time and our work we will win trust of people who still doubt our intentions.


Yep, trust is very precious. So... I see you've now extended the pre-sale price of 0.4 per keyword to 1000 units instead of the 500 it previously was. You had said that after the block total was reached ( 000/500 ) that each block would go down by 10% each time.

As an investor, I find the moving of goal posts a touch worrying. Is there some explanation for this?

You missed the maybe in that, it was meant to be a broad explanation of our thinking. Anyway we will be releasing slab and pricing soon on the website for all to see. this happened unexpectedly and we have been stretched to our working limits over past 15 days.

Honestly, where money and investment are concerned, 'maybe' shouldn't even be a part of your company's vocabulary, and it certainly isn't there on your website: http://searchtrade.news/keywordowner/

'The keywords will be sold on a first come first serve basis based on price slabs from 1-100 101-500 etc. Price will be reduced after each slab since first buyers are likely to buy higher performing words.'

Now, granted, the slab 000/500 wasn't reached in view of the 500 total (yet), but you did shift the goal post to 1000 total at 0.4btc per keyword. No maybe about it. If you can just randomly change the slab total as you fancy then my confidence is less that other factors of value within my investment won't be randomly changed as you maybe choose.
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September 16, 2015, 07:17:35 AM
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Hello,

I can't find a way to buy with Paypal.
(I was searching for the option).
Your site might be in beta but it's still really dodgy Undecided. It does not inspire confidence.

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September 16, 2015, 10:23:51 AM
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Hello,

I can't find a way to buy with Paypal.
(I was searching for the option).
Your site might be in beta but it's still really dodgy Undecided. It does not inspire confidence.

Its right at checkout next to other options. Curious to know what you find doggy?



Mmmh for me the site was trying to make me deposit only with BTC. I will try again later.

Well first the sncdemo.com URL when you buy is a bit confusing. Then when I wanted to deposit, the "pay with btc" button was 15% hidden, still clickable though. I clicked then then site went a bit darker, like for a pop up but no pop up ! So even if I wanted to deposit with Bitcoin I wouldn't be able. It was on Chrome.
I will list you guys on InvestBitcoinGuide.com if you happen to be trusted by the community in the future.

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September 16, 2015, 09:24:52 PM
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I did some number-crunching after purchasing a few keywords and "scoring" my words against the search word "porn" on "google trends".  My words scored over 700% of total searches for "porn", per month (774% to be exact).

At 33.34 Satoshi per one of my keywords being searched (I divided 100 satoshi by 3, as I figure searches will probably average 3 keywords), and figuring that there are 100,000 users per month on the searchtrade search engine, each averaging about 6.667 searches, my list of keywords generated only about 0.0171 BTC after one year.

So, according to my calculations, unless the value of Bitcoin shoots through the roof (over $10,000 per Bitcoin...staying there), searchtrade's search engine must achieve 10 million users per month, or more, to be profitable to the community pool (keyword owners).  

At 10,000,000 users (or 66.67 million searches) per month, my keyword list would generate about 1.71 BTC per year, meaning that the word "porn" would generate 1.71 BTC divided by 7.74, or 0.221 BTC per year ($50.35 per year at Bitcoin's current price), since my list is projected to generate 774% of "porn" searches - this all assuming the same distribution of search "habits" for visitors between searchtrade's search engine and Google's.

BTW, there are roughly 5.8 billion searches per day on Google's search engine.  This would likely equate to around 870 million users of the Google search engine per day, using the same math from earlier (total searches/ 6.667 searches per user = number of users).

This is valuable information to have as an investor in this, which is why I chose to share it here.

*edit:

Another bit of interesting info for you: this same list of keywords would generate about 12.26 BTC per day on Google's search engine, at 1,103,172,409 searches per month for my keywords!  I wouldn't mind it if searchtrade could grow to that size... Grin

*edit 2:

I likely used a low-ball figure for the number of searches for the word "porn", per month.  According to "google adwords", the word "porn" is searched about 124 million times per month, currently.  Since "porn" scores an 87 at the moment on "google trends", when it was at its peak (100) it would have been searched about 142.5 million times per month (assuming the google adwords estimate is reliable).

The problem with using google adwords is that, I believe, it only counts how many times the word is searched, alone (without other words included in the search query...so, for instance, the search "hot porn" wouldn't count as a search for "porn", since another word is included) ...which would likely make this a VERY low-ball figure.

But even if the word "porn" is searched ten times as often as google adwords suggests, putting the total searches per month at 1.24 billion, 1.42 billion at its peak, it would still only generate about 0.0244 BTC per year for the word "porn", at 667,000 searches per month (what I figured to be the number of searches for 100,000 users).

The planned payout system requires that there be tens of millions of searches per month for this to become profitable.  At hundreds of millions of searches per month it would become very attractive for those who hold keywords that generate a high number of searches relative to the pool of keywords (words like "the", "porn", "sex", "facebook", "youtube", etc).  At billions of searches per month, if Bitcoin can maintain above $200, this might be able to replace your job for income with a high scoring word and give a decent yearly profit for even average scoring words.  At tens of billions of searches per month, one can retire and live beyond his/her means with a high scoring word and perhaps replace their job's income with one or two average scoring words.  At hundreds of billions, you might make it onto Forbes magazine with the highest scoring words!
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September 16, 2015, 11:13:47 PM
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I did some number-crunching after purchasing a few keywords and "scoring" my words against the search word "porn" on "google trends".  My words scored over 700% of total searches for "porn", per month (774% to be exact).

At 33.34 Satoshi per one of my keywords being searched (I divided 100 satoshi by 3, as I figure searches will probably average 3 keywords), and figuring that there are 100,000 users per month on the searchtrade search engine, each averaging about 6.667 searches, my list of keywords generated only about 0.0171 BTC after one year.

So, according to my calculations, unless the value of Bitcoin shoots through the roof (over $10,000 per Bitcoin...staying there), searchtrade's search engine must achieve 10 million users per month, or more, to be profitable to the community pool (keyword owners).  

At 10,000,000 users (or 66.67 million searches) per month, my keyword list would generate about 1.71 BTC per year, meaning that the word "porn" would generate 1.71 BTC divided by 7.74, or 0.221 BTC per year ($50.35 per year at Bitcoin's current price), since my list is projected to generate 774% of "porn" searches - this all assuming the same distribution of search "habits" for visitors between searchtrade's search engine and Google's.

BTW, there are roughly 5.8 billion searches per day on Google's search engine.  This would likely equate to around 870 million users of the Google search engine per day, using the same math from earlier (total searches/ 6.667 searches per user = number of users).

This is valuable information to have as an investor in this, which is why I chose to share it here.

*edit:

Another bit of interesting info for you: this same list of keywords would generate about 12.26 BTC per day on Google's search engine, at 1,103,172,409 searches per month for my keywords!  I wouldn't mind it if searchtrade could grow to that size... Grin

*edit 2:

I likely used a low-ball figure for the number of searches for the word "porn", per month.  According to "google adwords", the word "porn" is searched about 124 million times per month, currently.  Since "porn" scores an 87 at the moment on "google trends", when it was at its peak (100) it would have been searched about 142.5 million times per month (assuming the google adwords estimate is reliable).

The problem with using google adwords is that, I believe, it only counts how many times the word is searched, alone (without other words included in the search query...so, for instance, the search "hot porn" wouldn't count as a search for "porn", since another word is included) ...which would likely make this a VERY low-ball figure.

But even if the word "porn" is searched ten times as often as google adwords suggests, putting the total searches per month at 1.24 billion, 1.42 billion at its peak, it would still only generate about 0.0244 BTC per year for the word "porn", at 667,000 searches per month (what I figured to be the number of searches for 100,000 users).

The planned payout system requires that there be tens of millions of searches per month for this to become profitable.  At hundreds of millions of searches per month it would become very attractive for those who hold keywords that generate a high number of searches relative to the pool of keywords (words like "the", "porn", "sex", "facebook", "youtube", etc).  At billions of searches per month, if Bitcoin can maintain above $200, this might be able to replace your job for income with a high scoring word and give a decent yearly profit for even average scoring words.  At tens of billions of searches per month, one can retire and live beyond his/her means with a high scoring word and perhaps replace their job's income with one or two average scoring words.  At hundreds of billions, you might make it onto Forbes magazine with the highest scoring words!

Your also forgetting keywords popularity if its competitive, in google there are keywords worth millions.
So that being said even on a small network scale each keyword advertising section could go up in value do to rate of growth and competitiveness for keywords.
Also they plan on doing advertising network and values of countries, keywords could change over time meaning if the site does well.
Your calculation is a bit flawed your going off basic numbers. Values go up as new companies and products/services show up on the market.
If they will also be going into more unique kind of advertising like Twitter, YouTube, Instagram  stuff like that showing up with ad's advertising funds and payouts could see growth.
This is already has at start multiple markets it can gain advertising, affiliate based marketing, work at home, and bitcoin related products and many more.
Ultimately market space is what determines what its worth, how else do you think coindesk offers 5,000 a month for an advertising spot a week.
It all depends what markets this can feed.  

So at the start of a company or service like this there is real risk, but if the business and marketing model is worked and looked at it could do very well.
Even google and other search engines had huge hick ups i hope they are smart enough to see those burns and issues and spend wisely.
But ultimately advertising this world wide is ultimately going to make or break this company.
Also working with ap developers could help since everything it seems is going mobile.

Don't get me wrong this could make or break pockets.
Ultimately the money used gained from presale is probably not going to cover everything and they will likely need to get private investors.
All we can do is wait.

Also in this market you shouldn't be spending any money if its going to hurt your income/lifestyle you live if it crashes and burns.



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September 17, 2015, 12:39:59 AM
Last edit: September 17, 2015, 12:50:41 AM by silentwitness
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Thanks for that input, searchtrade.  The things you shared on this post are the type of things that the investors (in keywords) need to know, IMO.  The more detailed your plan, the less the perceived risk, so long as the plan seems feasible.  The more that's left in the dark, the greater the risk appears.

I think what you lay out could work.

The one caveat being: I believe it would be less risky for you, and give your company better chances at success in the long-run, if you start (pre-launch and early post launch) by focusing most of your attention/ money/ ads domestically (in your area and maybe India, as well), wherein, I'm assuming costs will be much lower compared to trying to reach a global market, at least, in terms of running radio and television ads.  This will allow you to experiment with different types of approaches at advertising (should we go late night, low cost, for many months or burn more for day-time television, running for a week?) without burning all of the money on, essentially, a hope and a prayer.

Which leads me to my next question(s):

If you don't mind sharing, what are your plans for advertising?  Is it going to be solely online ads?  Television, locally? Radio?  Billboards? Combination of all of the above?

I like the videos you run on youtube and think that they'd make good television ads for the US market, but I'm sure costs would be quite high to run on a popular television channel here in the US.

Also, do you plan to use a good percentage of the keyword earnings to pump this up before the launch, or do most of your plans involve post launch spending?

If your product is already great, then it might be a good idea to drive as many eyes at it as possible, ASAP.  But if it still has glitches, then it might be a better idea to treat the "first wave" of users as "beta testers", touching it up a bit, before really throwing money at it.


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The thing i noticed is that everyone is just buying the English words.
From what i understand you can buy other languages for keywords that are taken.
So Chinese, Spanish, Japanese, Korean and so on.
If this is world wide not everyone is just going to use English.



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When i check search trade it is still in pre-launch state. It will be nice to see how it works, i can't wait to try their search in my apps to make some extra income. It says more than 90 days is left for launch, will check it after its launch.

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The thing i noticed is that everyone is just buying the English words.
From what i understand you can buy other languages for keywords that are taken.
So Chinese, Spanish, Japanese, Korean and so on.
If this is world wide not everyone is just going to use English.

It's interesting that you say that, because two of the most recent words purchased are Spanish: el and la.

Wouldn't happen to be yours, would they?  Grin
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