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September 11, 2015, 04:56:59 PM
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do you think it is OK to have a 16 years old girlfriend with the age of 22?
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September 11, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
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It is to big a age gap.

Mental maturity is a major factor in the age gap and if I had a daughter that was seeing a guy that big of a gap,he would be riding in my trunk for a visit up at our cabin. Maybe helping me dig a hole in the back for the new shitter and maybe he might trip into it,maybe I dont say anything and maybe I wait a few days to make sure he is unwilling to come out of hole before deciding I dont need a new shitter.

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September 11, 2015, 05:02:14 PM
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Probably depends on your local laws. I think it's illegal in the US but legal in the UK. Some countries even have 14 years old as their limit. Personally 16 is too young for you but I guess depends how mature she is.
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September 11, 2015, 05:46:00 PM
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i honestly don't think thats ok yet. maybe if you guys get a bit older the age gap doesnt seem that significant but at this age its wayy too big
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September 11, 2015, 05:52:30 PM
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i honestly don't think thats ok yet. maybe if you guys get a bit older the age gap doesnt seem that significant but at this age its wayy too big

comon thats only 6 years different, i dont think its to big.
also i am looking very young for my age
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September 11, 2015, 06:12:17 PM
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i honestly don't think thats ok yet. maybe if you guys get a bit older the age gap doesnt seem that significant but at this age its wayy too big

comon thats only 6 years different, i dont think its to big.
also i am looking very young for my age

for a second there I thought that guy on your avatar is really you.

I know a 24 years old dude who is currently dating a 10th grade girl. so 6 years should be okay enough... maybe...

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September 11, 2015, 06:14:19 PM
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if on that picture under your nickname is you, than u one hell old 22 year old fella i ever seen.

plus if that's your photo, try maybe good dental practice or at least hairdresser.
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September 11, 2015, 06:53:20 PM
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In some countries 16 is the legal age.
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September 11, 2015, 07:21:54 PM
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nope, I'll report you to the police department
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September 11, 2015, 07:33:01 PM
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I think not much difference 6 years but you need to know limits
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September 11, 2015, 07:35:41 PM
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do you think it is OK to have a 16 years old girlfriend with the age of 22?
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I think it's ok nowadays. And 16 is too old for pedophiles and you're not a pedophile, you're an ephebophile Wink (don't be confused with pedophile, hebephile and ephebophile, they are different in terms of their preferred ages)
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September 11, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
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The word pedophilia is very commonly and mistakenly used to refer to people who have sex with individuals below what the law determines as the "age of consent" in a given place. However, pedophilia is not a legal term, it's a medical (psychiatric) term. You're either a pedophile or you're not, and that doesn't change depending on what the age of consent laws are where you live.

That being said, I'll quote the Comprehensive Textbook Of Psychiatry, vol.1, by Harold I. Kaplan, MD, and Benjamin J. Sadock, MD:

" Pedophilia involves preferential sexual activity with children, either in fantasy or actuality.  Adult sexual activities or fantasies involving prepubertal children, the essential behavior in pedophilia, may be exclusively homosexual or heterosexual, or a mixture of both, and may occur within the family, among acquaintance groups, or between strangers.

Diagnostic criteria for pedophilia:

A - Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviours involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).

B - The fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviours cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

C - The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.  Note: do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old. "


So, no, you couldn't possibly be a pedophile for dating a 16 y.o., although you might be breaking the law in some US States if you had sex with her. I'm guessing that's where you're from, since teenage sexuality is a big taboo in the US, while in Europe ages of consent vary between 14 and 16, the sole exception being Ireland where the age of consent is 17.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America

Recommended reading:

Adolescent Sexual Health in Europe and the US

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September 11, 2015, 08:19:14 PM
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IF you have a rapper & rich ... Not okay
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September 11, 2015, 09:29:17 PM
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hi pEdo,
yes of course dont let your age gap force you to leave your love one but please make sure and wait till he get to legal age atleast hide your relationship first and wait until 18 of the girl. i have cousin their gap is 10 years and they are still happy and have 1 son and daughter.
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September 11, 2015, 09:36:49 PM
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Nice information, I didn't know that (Then again, I don't go researching this).
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September 13, 2015, 06:49:33 AM
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legal in most parts of the world, a 16 year old is a woman, of course its ok

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September 13, 2015, 06:53:49 AM
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do you think it is OK to have a 16 years old girlfriend with the age of 22?
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At your age, the difference is a bit much, but you're definitely not a pedophile.  Pedophiles like pre-pubescent children.

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September 13, 2015, 09:18:13 AM
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It is OK, they 16 yo girls are in the best of their bodies and are easier to be manipulated.

Worst case scenario you'll have to wait 2 years to do things with her pussie, but have her as GF is not illegal
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September 13, 2015, 11:17:05 AM
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do you think it is OK to have a 16 years old girlfriend with the age of 22?
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At your age, the difference is a bit much, but you're definitely not a pedophile.  Pedophiles like pre-pubescent children.

Maybe the difference is somewhat high but we gotta take in count that the girl is 16 which is pretty close to 18 and lets be honest, from 16 to 18 there is not much change mentally, and phyisically girls at 16 are already mature enough.

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September 13, 2015, 01:50:01 PM
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maybe a 16yrs old girl is a lil bit too young, though some of them are probably have matured mentally, but still, wait till 18 is better, the gap doesnt matter in my opinion, dont know about the law
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September 14, 2015, 01:29:32 AM
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It is OK, they 16 yo girls are in the best of their bodies and are easier to be manipulated.

Worst case scenario you'll have to wait 2 years to do things with her pussie, but have her as GF is not illegal

Sure he'll wait  Tongue

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September 14, 2015, 01:43:25 AM
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maybe a 16yrs old girl is a lil bit too young, though some of them are probably have matured mentally, but still, wait till 18 is better, the gap doesnt matter in my opinion, dont know about the law

Actually they have not matured mentally,why do you think teenagers act out in such bizarre manners! The brain is not fully wired. I can find you a study on the teenage brain that is pretty cool to read. Actually I will,brb if I do not get sidetracked. Cool
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Many parents do not understand why their teenagers occasionally behave in an impulsive, irrational, or dangerous way. At times, it seems like they don’t think things through or fully consider the consequences of their actions. Adolescents differ from adults in the way they behave, solve problems, and make decisions. There is a biological explanation for this difference. Studies have shown that brains continue to mature and develop throughout childhood and adolescence and well into early adulthood.

Scientists have identified a specific region of the brain called the amygdala which is responsible for instinctual reactions including fear and aggressive behavior. This region develops early. However, the frontal cortex, the area of the brain that controls reasoning and helps us think before we act, develops later. This part of the brain is still changing and maturing well into adulthood.

Other specific changes in the brain during adolescence include a rapid increase in the connections between the brain cells and pruning (refinement) of brain pathways. Nerve cells develop myelin, an insulating layer which helps cells communicate. All these changes are essential for the development of coordinated thought, action, and behavior.

Changing Brains Mean that Adolescents Act Differently From Adults

Pictures of the brain in action show that adolescents’ brains function differently than adults when decision-making and problem solving. Their actions are guided more by the amygdala and less by the frontal cortex. Research has also demonstrated that exposure to drugs and alcohol before birth, head trauma, or other types of brain injury can interfere with normal brain development during adolescence.

Based on the stage of their brain development, adolescents are more likely to:

    act on impulse
    misread or misinterpret social cues and emotions
    get into accidents of all kinds
    get involved in fights
    engage in dangerous or risky behavior

Adolescents are less likely to:

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    pause to consider the potential consequences of their actions
    modify their dangerous or inappropriate behaviors

These brain differences don’t mean that young people can’t make good decisions or tell the difference between right and wrong. It also doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be held responsible for their actions. But an awareness of these differences can help parents, teachers, advocates, and policy makers understand, anticipate, and manage the behavior of adolescents.



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"It's the part of the brain that says: 'Is this a good idea? What is the consequence of this action?' " Jensen says. "It's not that they don't have a frontal lobe. And they can use it. But they're going to access it more slowly."

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He liked to groom younger girls and thats really whats going on if you get in a relationship with a young girl.
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Im waiting for Gleb to chime in on this conversation, he always has something interesting to say on subjects like this, Gleb?
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September 14, 2015, 07:56:50 AM
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maybe a 16yrs old girl is a lil bit too young, though some of them are probably have matured mentally, but still, wait till 18 is better, the gap doesnt matter in my opinion, dont know about the law

Actually they have not matured mentally,why do you think teenagers act out in such bizarre manners! The brain is not fully wired. I can find you a study on the teenage brain that is pretty cool to read. Actually I will,brb if I do not get sidetracked. Cool

Do you have any study about how to wire teen's brains in the best way for my me?

The grow up ones already have their brains wired in the worst way, making them inutilized for relationship
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September 14, 2015, 08:54:17 AM
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do you think it is OK to have a 16 years old girlfriend with the age of 22?
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lol, wow - the answers here are very different. in my country that is not all problem and you are 100% not a pedo!  Smiley

woman always choose older men - that is normal. enjoy your time.

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September 14, 2015, 02:04:59 PM
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You're only a pedo if you have an attraction to pre-teen children. Do you? If you do then yes.
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September 14, 2015, 03:36:23 PM
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Look Pedo ,

Just follow what is you know right your old enough to understand simple law and respect. if you really love the girl that feel free to express you thought and love.
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Yes. It's just okay.
Age doesn't really matter if you really love each other.
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October 23, 2015, 09:41:35 AM
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Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.

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October 23, 2015, 10:04:04 AM
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In some countries 8 yrs girls goes to marry 30 yrs people... well you are surely not a pedo.

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October 23, 2015, 07:05:01 PM
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In some countries 8 yrs girls goes to marry 30 yrs people... well you are surely not a pedo.

its their culture they have no choice this guy is a pedo, but what i have said. .just follow your heart.
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October 23, 2015, 10:11:15 PM
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do you think it is OK to have a 16 years old girlfriend with the age of 22?
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October 23, 2015, 10:24:16 PM
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A pedo is a person that likes prepubescent humans, which would be children age 0-12.

If the girl has her period, you're technically an ebophile, which is a person that is attracted to teenagers.
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October 24, 2015, 12:26:09 AM
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I believe that most guys are attracted to teenagers (16 - 19 years).
But not for being in a relationship. Just physically. There is an entire porn library dedicated to Teens.

Ask the stranger he knows who you really are.
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November 04, 2015, 12:24:19 PM
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In some countries 8 yrs girls goes to marry 30 yrs people... well you are surely not a pedo.
That doesn't make it right.
Maybe many years ago relationships had to start earlier because people didn't live as long but this is a differant time and humans should be beond that now. A child these days has heaps of pressor and they dont need a relationship with an old man messing up their lives.
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November 04, 2015, 01:19:02 PM
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do you think it is OK to have a 16 years old girlfriend with the age of 22?
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depends is she hot ?

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November 08, 2015, 10:05:32 PM
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It's ok if your only 22. If you were 42 it would be weird.

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November 09, 2015, 12:50:37 AM
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do you think it is OK to have a 16 years old girlfriend with the age of 22?
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16 is a legal age for marriage in Russian Federation

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