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September 16, 2015, 03:25:13 PM
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Well well well. I've been wondering about how they have such a large marketcapl


I believe we are seeing a new form of scam


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September 16, 2015, 03:30:12 PM
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BanxShares.... Grin

I've just gone through the 'wall of text', and bloody hell, runpaint has assembled some interesting material.
But, he did miss the issue BanxShares had recently with inflated volume figures on CMC:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1091855.0
After some denial from BanxShares (and Bitshares), Banx admitted that their trade volume was inflated by a factor of five as a result of a 'programming error'.
Hmm..... Cool




 



Thanks for the link, that topic didn't show up in search results because the title has been redacted "after the problem was fixed".

Banx is still #7 on CoinMarketCap;  the problem hasn't been fixed.


But that thread has some good stuff:



We are currently still selling our shares to private investors and we do so at a dollar value rather than a bitcoin value.  So when the price of bitcoin changes, our share price changes. CMC list the price of coins as a bitcoin value and not a dollar value, which makes it look like our price is increasing on CMC but this is actually due to the price of bitcoin declining against the dollar. In addition to this CMC only list the shares that are in the public domain that are available to the public.

Like many companies, our activities on online platforms are limited to a select few.  We have chosen not to use Reddit very often, which we do not see as being any cause for concern.


They claim that they only sell shares privately, and that all the orders on the exchange are between individual users and not BanxCapital.  

That is not true.  

First of all, they don't allow users to sell below the ICO price.  And the ICO price changes as they see fit.

Secondly, there are orders below the ICO price, always below the price of all user sell orders.  What that effectively means is that normal users can never sell their shares.  The only executable orders must come either from BanxCapital themselves, or from people who have entered into a special relationship with BanxCapital to sell the shares under specific direction from BanxCapital.

Third, Mark Lyford himself directly sold shares at Alcurex and C-Cex.  Alcurex is quoted saying "Mark, the only BANX left at Alcurex are in your account."

So, even if the orders on the exchange are actually from investors and not placed directly by BanxCapital, the people placing the orders are acting in agreement with BanxCapital.  "We sell you the BANX, and you are the only ones allowed to sell it on the exchange for the current market price."





We are only listed on our own exchange at the moment because no one else has started to list us whilst we are still in the ICO phase. We expect this will change in the future, but it is really up to third parties.  Our wallet is available for anyone to use and add to their exchange on github since our change over to POS.  Our shares were previously available on c-cex but users on their system were involved in a hack to our blockchain, which meant that they had to be moved over to our own exchange for security purposes.


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He says that no one else has listed BANX, but 2 exchanges already listed it.  Then, after Mark himself deposited BANX into those exchanges, he forked the coin and made his own deposited coins invalid and unable to be sent to or from wallets or to Banx.io.  

Then he says C-Cex users hacked the Banx blockchain;

#1 - How do you know the hackers were from C-Cex?  If you have determined their identities, have you filed criminal charges?

#2 - What blockchain did they hack?  The one that couldn't even be mined?

#3 - How do you hack a blockchain, Mark?  Is it similar to how you said big miners hit the coin too hard and got all the coins with their mining power, and then dumped them too cheap?  (When and where did they sell these coins below the ICO price?)

#4 - Why is this information being shared now, 10 months after "the hack" happened?  You announced that C-Cex coins were invalid, but you didn't say anything about a hack:


To confirm. any BANX shares you have in CCEX wallets after the 28th Nov will be deemed non valid. All shares need to be in banx.io by 5pm GMT on the 28th. for security review and profit payouts. as per this announcement here:

http://banxcapital.s3.amazonaws.com/BANX_CAPITAL_wallet_update_announcement.pdf

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Mark


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September 16, 2015, 03:32:19 PM
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At the moment, BanxShares is better than GAW Paycoin which has lost its credibility when it fell below a dollar.
I am not sure whether BanxShares is real.


GAW and Paycoin lost credibility long before the price dropped.  They were scammers, selling nothing and calling it something.

If you're not sure whether BanxShares is real, then go read more about Paycoin.  When an "investment" admits that it is only paying you small monthly portions of your own money that you gave them, it has no credibility.

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September 16, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
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Well well well. I've been wondering about how they have such a large marketcapl


I believe we are seeing a new form of scam


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I don't believe BanxShares has done anything that GAW and Paycoin didn't already do.

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September 16, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
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Well well well. I've been wondering about how they have such a large marketcapl


I believe we are seeing a new form of scam


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I don't believe BanxShares has done anything that GAW and Paycoin didn't already do.

Maybe. I unfortunitly don't have exactly all the details of how gaw scammed.


But this has got to make one wonder about the relationship of banx to bitshares.

Birds of a feather flock together.   Wink
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September 16, 2015, 03:47:21 PM
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More from EvilDave's link:



There is a ton of projects going on and a lot of money that has been invested by the owner, so if anyone stands to lose it’s him. He is going out on a limb with his money to make the plan a reality and when I say this I mean the man really has put his money on the line here.





OK, that is ByronP.  He's some kind of dev who runs the former AtomicTrade exchange after Banx bought it.

Just like GAW bought CoinSwap.

And ByronP always shows up to speak with authority, because he works for Banx.  Just like all the guys who worked for GAW "knew that it wasn't a scam because they worked on it every day."

He really believes in Mark.  BanxCEO does so much, risks so much, puts so much of his own money out there FOR YOU the investors!  

Just like GAWCEO was worshipped by his followers.  Take us to the promised land of getting rich, oh leader.  

"If anyone stands to lose it's him."  Really, ByronP?  Not the $2.2 million that is supposed to be raised with the ICO - that's nothing compared to the great personal sacrifices made by Mark?

Just like GAW, investors were made to feel guilty for not having enough faith in their Christ-like sacrifical leader.  If they had any questions, they were hurting everyone...but worst of all, they were hurting the man who gave his life for them!

And then when it falls apart, these same followers and employees "Didn't know what was going on in the other parts of GAW.  It was Garza's plan to scam everyone, and he had his own employees fooled."

Does that sound like the kind of statement you might make a few months from now, ByronP?

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September 16, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
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Great work here. Thank you for posting.

I think most people could see it was fairly obvious that it was basically scam/medium to long term con-job from the start. But there are a lot of people in this scene who often get taken advantage of and having a specific post like this where you point everything out is very useful and will hopefully save people some money.

Was really surprised that Bitshares was willing to associate with them. Shocked actually. It's one thing to have an open platform where anyone can use it, but it's another to publicly associate with something like this. Bitshares marketing constantly leaves me scratching my head wondering what they are thinking.
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September 16, 2015, 04:51:21 PM
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Great work here. Thank you for posting.

I think most people could see it was fairly obvious that it was basically scam/medium to long term con-job from the start. But there are a lot of people in this scene who often get taken advantage of


Pumpers and scammers work in pools, while the rest of us are here solo.  Our computers connect to peers but we don't.

If someone clicks the Altcoin Discussion board right now, maybe they'll see this topic.  But if they come along 10 minutes later, they might never see it.  I'm just one guy, and you're just one guy, and we're not planning this out.

But Banx has 4 or 5 people that all show up together and present a unified front.  They make a plan and they carry it out. 

That's why I like uCrypto.co, because it's better for making contacts and joining groups for the information you want to keep up with.  Joining a pool.    But it just launched last week, so the main thing it needs is users.


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September 16, 2015, 05:17:17 PM
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Seem to remember bigmanintown threatening to get lawyers involved for apparent slander. That reminded me of GAW, right there.

A great episode of LTB, gave a revealing insight to some of the shenanigans going on at GAW/Paycoin...   

http://bitcoin-portal.info/2015/04/11/lets-talk-bitcoin-203-digging-in/
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September 16, 2015, 06:01:51 PM
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How about this -

BANX is supposed to be in ICO, for a set price, with a set supply of coins.

But according to CoinMarketCap, the marketcap has increased from under $2 million to over $12 million.  During the ICO period.

How can the market cap change so much, if the price and supply are fixed? 

CMC says the current price is $1.74.  Mark says the price is set in dollars, not BTC.  But it's not set in either, because BANX launched for under $1.00 no matter what exchange rate you use.

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September 16, 2015, 08:25:37 PM
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I eye this shit since it passes the 5 million market cap.
Unbelievable!
- Only the own exchange that is pushing the price
- many users complain about not being able to sell there
- Sell orders are being "removed" before raising the price... ridiculous

Hopefully it will vanish soon from this position, because there are surely enough idiots that drop their money there, as long at it's present.
And it will stay, as long as there are coming more of those idiots...
I don't even know, why coinmarketcap added them...
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September 16, 2015, 08:40:15 PM
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So the price is indexed from their own exchange that creators of the coin control? Why does CMC even allow that? I'll link to this thread to CMC's thread and perhaps they'll list the actual exchange where trades happen...

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September 16, 2015, 09:31:54 PM
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I'm sorry for posting so many quotes, I didn't want to create a TLDR wall of text.

But there's just so much to quote!  Every page has something unbelievable, I'm only quoting the highlights.


Customer Service at its finest:



Still no payout for July. Is there any problem?

Arne, the reason you didn't get a payout is because you tried to screw us again last month. Your account has now been set to Banx payout so you will receive your payout in the next cycle.

If you have any issues with that then speak to Mark directly.

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There you go.  If you try to screw them, you don't get a payout this month.

Well all i did was internal transfer within exchange and that cost me 1 months pay and public humiliation by my real name.

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September 16, 2015, 11:21:31 PM
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The main selling point is that the CEO Mark Lyford says he ran 32,000 porn websites and made millions of dollars.  Therefore, he knows how to make money;  therefore, buy BanxShares.


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They tried to start it off as a crypto currency but its is just centralized crap with no wallet and a seemingly endless ICO selling phase.

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Great work here. Thank you for posting.

I think most people could see it was fairly obvious that it was basically scam/medium to long term con-job from the start. But there are a lot of people in this scene who often get taken advantage of and having a specific post like this where you point everything out is very useful and will hopefully save people some money.

Was really surprised that Bitshares was willing to associate with them. Shocked actually. It's one thing to have an open platform where anyone can use it, but it's another to publicly associate with something like this. Bitshares marketing constantly leaves me scratching my head wondering what they are thinking.

As a relatively long time BitShares community member, I do not remotely trust BanxShares.  If it is a scam, I don't know why they'd move it onto an open platform they do not control, but I guess we can wait and see what they do with it.  Anything they do to manipulate their token supply will be more transparent than it is now.  It's not like we can stop them from using our chain since it is an open platform.

As for public association between BitShares and BanxShares, BitShares has historically had great technology/developers and horrible marketing.  More people and businesses are just now beginning to seriously notice BitShares, and I think BitShares marketers are thrilled to announce any business endorsing the BitShares chain as a superior platform and moving onto it.  I agree they should be more careful not to let that come across as endorsement of anything they have no reason to believe is legitimate.
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I'm sorry for posting so many quotes, I didn't want to create a TLDR wall of text.

But there's just so much to quote!  Every page has something unbelievable, I'm only quoting the highlights.


Customer Service at its finest:



Still no payout for July. Is there any problem?

Arne, the reason you didn't get a payout is because you tried to screw us again last month. Your account has now been set to Banx payout so you will receive your payout in the next cycle.

If you have any issues with that then speak to Mark directly.

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There you go.  If you try to screw them, you don't get a payout this month.

Well all i did was internal transfer within exchange and that cost me 1 months pay and public humiliation by my real name.


That's the kind of tactic they use in cults to maintain power

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Great work here. Thank you for posting.

I think most people could see it was fairly obvious that it was basically scam/medium to long term con-job from the start. But there are a lot of people in this scene who often get taken advantage of and having a specific post like this where you point everything out is very useful and will hopefully save people some money.

Was really surprised that Bitshares was willing to associate with them. Shocked actually. It's one thing to have an open platform where anyone can use it, but it's another to publicly associate with something like this. Bitshares marketing constantly leaves me scratching my head wondering what they are thinking.

As a relatively long time BitShares community member, I do not remotely trust BanxShares.  If it is a scam, I don't know why they'd move it onto an open platform they do not control, but I guess we can wait and see what they do with it.  Anything they do to manipulate their token supply will be more transparent than it is now.  It's not like we can stop them from using our chain since it is an open platform.

As for public association between BitShares and BanxShares, BitShares has historically had great technology/developers and horrible marketing.  More people and businesses are just now beginning to seriously notice BitShares, and I think BitShares marketers are thrilled to announce any business endorsing the BitShares chain as a superior platform and moving onto it.  I agree they should be more careful not to let that come across as endorsement of anything they have no reason to believe is legitimate.

I have resisted replying to any part of this thread up until now. And my policy of responding to trolls posting total inaccuracies and many quotes out of context will remain the same. I don't respond to them.

But I would like to address your specific post. I would like to say that we are always looking for ways to build more transparency to ease the healthy skepticism that this community has toward almost every competing asset.  So our forthcoming move to BitShares helps to address that essential trust issue by making our every move more auditable.
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And my policy of responding to trolls posting total inaccuracies and many quotes out of context will remain the same. I don't respond to them.



Except you do respond, by calling people trolls. 

You see your own business practices laid out for everyone to see, displaying the same patterns of failure and disaster that we've seen before;  you respond by dismissing it all as "out of context" or "inaccurate". 

But all of the quotes include links to the full original context, and you cannot name a single inaccuracy.

And you cannot answer the most basic of questions about what you're doing with other people's money.






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Mark. Can you not see how keeping banx in just your exchange appears to be some form of manipulation?

Also, how much did you bribe Gliss at coinmarketcap to keep your centralized asset in the top 10.

Maybe you shouldnt take our criticism as anything personal. After the whole mt gox fiasco it should be understood that things that feel fishy will make our hair bristle.

Allow proper trading of your asset without the actions that are seen as manipulative and then well talk



Great work here. Thank you for posting.

I think most people could see it was fairly obvious that it was basically scam/medium to long term con-job from the start. But there are a lot of people in this scene who often get taken advantage of and having a specific post like this where you point everything out is very useful and will hopefully save people some money.

Was really surprised that Bitshares was willing to associate with them. Shocked actually. It's one thing to have an open platform where anyone can use it, but it's another to publicly associate with something like this. Bitshares marketing constantly leaves me scratching my head wondering what they are thinking.

As a relatively long time BitShares community member, I do not remotely trust BanxShares.  If it is a scam, I don't know why they'd move it onto an open platform they do not control, but I guess we can wait and see what they do with it.  Anything they do to manipulate their token supply will be more transparent than it is now.  It's not like we can stop them from using our chain since it is an open platform.

As for public association between BitShares and BanxShares, BitShares has historically had great technology/developers and horrible marketing.  More people and businesses are just now beginning to seriously notice BitShares, and I think BitShares marketers are thrilled to announce any business endorsing the BitShares chain as a superior platform and moving onto it.  I agree they should be more careful not to let that come across as endorsement of anything they have no reason to believe is legitimate.

I have resisted replying to any part of this thread up until now. And my policy of responding to trolls posting total inaccuracies and many quotes out of context will remain the same. I don't respond to them.

But I would like to address your specific post. I would like to say that we are always looking for ways to build more transparency to ease the healthy skepticism that this community has toward almost every competing asset.  So our forthcoming move to BitShares helps to address that essential trust issue by making our every move more auditable.
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