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September 16, 2015, 09:59:57 AM
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Recently Quickseller one of the biggest scam buster was removed from default trust list and all his trust feedbacks to proven scammers were turned to "Untrusted feedback" that doesn't change their trust score.

Some of the Scammers he found in past and given them negative trust got either neutral trust score or green trust after he got removed from default trust that is not good for forum,those scammers got another chance to scam some other honest users on forum, thats what they have done in past

Check Quickseller trust page
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=358020

you will find many scammers have black or green trust even there are proofs they are scammer
We all know he is a good scam buster, but his trust feedback doesn't affect scammer's score now so we need some other default trust members to check trust page on QS and if any users was proven scammer then mark them again(only users with proofs).


I think there are high chances that they will do scam again, let me know what you think.

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September 16, 2015, 10:08:29 AM
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Here is what I think , I think that the Trust system on Bitcointalk is one of the worst trust systems I've seen on many forums on the internet , and I don't understand why Theymos is sticking to it , it's not like there isn't the necessary funding to make this system better . we could simply have the ability to give either Positive or negative feedback to members with mentioning how much we traded and that's it .. without increasing Trust during the months or whatever however we should only allow Senior member or Hero members (with 1500 posts or above for example) and above to give that otherwise their would be a lot of abuse .

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September 16, 2015, 10:19:30 AM
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If the evidences are so strong, why did they received only 1 negative?

When I see really strong proofs against someone, they usually receive 2 or more trusted negative trusts
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September 16, 2015, 10:31:39 AM
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I said a while back that, seeing as Quickseller was effectively Tomatocage's hitman (whether or not you believe they are different people), then when TC reluctantly removed QS from his trust, I believe he had an obligation to the forum to address the effect of that action and personally revisit the accounts which have benefited from QS's downgrading, reconfirming (or not) trust on a case by case basis. He doesn't appear to have done that.

....without increasing Trust during the months or whatever however we should only allow Senior member or Hero members (with 1500 posts or above for example) and above to give that otherwise their would be a lot of abuse .


All that would do would increase the value of those enabled accounts.
The crux of all these problems is the transferability of accounts, giving them a value. The official line is that it can't be stopped, so it's allowed.
Until that changes, nothing else will.

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September 16, 2015, 10:47:25 AM
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If the evidences are so strong, why did they received only 1 negative?

When I see really strong proofs against someone, they usually receive 2 or more trusted negative trusts

Because people don't bother themselfs , also it's useless if you are aren't on the DefaultTrust it won't really affect on them . take the Investement based-game section for example ,most of them if not all are scammers  , it would take shitload of time to give them all negative trust and they may comeback and comeback .


I said a while back that, seeing as Quickseller was effectively Tomatocage's hitman (whether or not you believe they are different people), then when TC reluctantly removed QS from his trust, I believe he had an obligation to the forum to address the effect of that action and personally revisit the accounts which have benefited from QS's downgrading, reconfirming (or not) trust on a case by case basis. He doesn't appear to have done that.

....without increasing Trust during the months or whatever however we should only allow Senior member or Hero members (with 1500 posts or above for example) and above to give that otherwise their would be a lot of abuse .



All that would do would increase the value of those enabled accounts.
The crux of all these problems is the transferability of accounts, giving them a value. The official line is that it can't be stopped, so it's allowed.
Until that changes, nothing else will.

Agree on this one but this is why I gave an example for 1500 (it could be more) , someone with much high quality posts will be more then likely known on the community and made a reputation for him self , so he will definitly not sell his account . but again .. yes agree most of the website that use this kind of system don't allow Proxy & VPN's and double accounts .

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September 16, 2015, 11:21:02 AM
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People need to check the untrusted feedback as well before trading. Also, those who are on DT list should check QS's ratings and mark a negative on those accounts they consider as scammers which I guess should be done soon.




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September 16, 2015, 12:07:57 PM
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If the evidences are so strong, why did they received only 1 negative?

When I see really strong proofs against someone, they usually receive 2 or more trusted negative trusts

Most scammers with proof do have 2+ DT negative feedback. Others don't because he left the feedback silently. Normally a non-DT member opens a scam accusation and the offender get a lot of negative trust. That doesn't always apply when a DT member finds the scam attempt.

I've already checked the latest QS' left feedback a few days ago and left negative feedback to several proven scammers/'attempters'. When I have more time I'll go further in the list.

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