Crossing borders: with a lot of money?

[Flowz]

Hi,

I've been reading upon crossing the borders with money lately.
I'm trying to inform myself about the laws and regulations about the transport of money.

From what I've read, there is a maximum of €10,000  that you can transport over the borders WITHOUT registering it first.
(This is a regulations withing Europe)

I understand that in some way this is to prevent illicit activities etc, but it's hard to believe (for me) that you can't transport your own fucking money without telling the government.

Does anyone have more input on this subject (laws, regulations?)

~Flowz

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[Wekkel]

I understand that in some way this is to prevent illicit activities etc, but it's hard to believe (for me) that you can't transport your own fucking money without telling the government.

Welcome to the 'free' world 

Some info (scroll down): http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/common/travellers/enter_eu/index_en.htm

[moni3z]

You also have to pay attention to the currency conversion amount. Let's say you take 10,000 Euros into the US as cash on a plane. Well that's over 10,000 USD so they will seize all of it. This happens all the time Canada/USA cross border when somebody writes "10,000" on the customs paper and forgets to include the currency symbol. The box is USD only. If your CAD is worth just $0.20 over it's all getting seized.

Diamond, gourmet mushroom and gold traders routinely get on planes with bags full of cash to buy commodities will have to figure out how they do it (legally) if you want to attempt this or encrypt your wallet, upload it somewhere and get at it later after crossing the border

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

You also have to pay attention to the currency conversion amount. Let's say you take 10,000 Euros into the US as cash on a plane. Well that's over 10,000 USD so they will seize all of it. This happens all the time Canada/USA cross border when somebody writes "10,000" on the customs paper and forgets to include the currency symbol. The box is USD only. If your CAD is worth just $0.20 over it's all getting seized.

Diamond, gourmet mushroom and gold traders routinely get on planes with bags full of cash to buy commodities will have to figure out how they do it (legally) if you want to attempt this or encrypt your wallet, upload it somewhere and get at it later after crossing the border

Another reason of why bitcoin is better!

[J.Socal]

You can always send it out by mail..

[farlack]

Or you can always buy bitcoins, go to where ever you're going and have a pre-planned trade agreement with someone.

[jojo69]

it's hard to believe that you can't transport your own fucking money without telling the government.

ahhhhh, you took the red pill,

welcome

[Flowz]

You can always send it out by mail..

That's actually seems good, I'll look it up if it has some regulations.

[Flowz]

it's hard to believe that you can't transport your own fucking money without telling the government.

ahhhhh, you took the red pill,

welcome

Reality is not a bliss, but neither is ignorance.

[farlack]

You can always send it out by mail..

That's actually seems good, I'll look it up if it has some regulations.

The problem with mailing it is it has to go thru customs. You will have the same exact problem.. or worse, customs will probably put your money in their pocket.

[SaintDevil]

You can always send it out by mail..

Or keep some in online wallet.

[DoogieHouser]

I have bank accounts in two different countries.  I can either wire money between accounts, or use my ATM card to withdraw money from one country and deposit it in another.

I am also considering setting up Bitcoin exchange accounts in both countries...

[SaintDevil]

I have bank accounts in two different countries.  I can either wire money between accounts, or use my ATM card to withdraw money from one country and deposit it in another.

I am also considering setting up Bitcoin exchange accounts in both countries...

There are banks that offer no fees for withdrawing money nationwide, for example Ally.
Many places accepts visa or MasterCard and some of their credit cards do not charge you a foreign transaction fee.
With mobile technologies, possibilities are endless.

[dirtycat]

You can always send it out by mail..

That's actually seems good, I'll look it up if it has some regulations.

Don't do mail over borders.. it will get "lost"

[SgtSpike]

You can always send it out by mail..

That's actually seems good, I'll look it up if it has some regulations.

Why not Bitcoin?

I wouldn't trust any mail system to send more than a $20 bill properly.

[DoogieHouser]

You can always send it out by mail..

That's actually seems good, I'll look it up if it has some regulations.

Why not Bitcoin?

I wouldn't trust any mail system to send more than a $20 bill properly.

Not to mention that US & Canada Post (and most post offices, I imagine) both advise NOT to send cash...

[Flowz]

How about money hidden in electronic devices (in the casing for example)?

This is starting to look like a smuggling operation of your own money.

[underminer]

What about gold/goods?  You can convert into some other medium I suppose right?  A lot of $$$ is not that much precious metals, anybody besides me remember tecshare's rhodium "sale" gambit thing he was trying? 

[Arto]

Why not Bitcoin?

+1. If you need to convert (some of) it to cash at the destination, just find someone local who is looking to buy bitcoins; easy enough.

[Stephen Gornick]

Or you can always buy bitcoins, go to where ever you're going and have a pre-planned trade agreement with someone.

In the U.S., be aware of the "suspicionless, electronics search rules":

the government contends the Fourth-Amendment-Free Zone stretches 100 miles inland from the nation’s actual border.

- http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/02/electronics-border-seizures