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January 23, 2017, 03:16:17 PM
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I tend to agree that you will eventually lose in gambling always. It's better to just gamble for entertainment rather than to make money.

Most people start to gamble with an idea of having fun and entertainment in the first place. However the fun soon starts out to be an addiction due to tempting win of other players, jackpots, occasional bonuses that casino offer. In the end we have the same result - an addicted gambler about to become a beggar and ruin their live.

Its important to control your emotions while gambling. Otherwise you will have the same fate as everyone else - zero balance.
we all start gamble with no idea we are just reading mechanics or how the gamble works well if you had already experience or incounter any kind of gambling you can't say that you are professional already. Becoming addicted is when you chasing your lose from gambling or trying to hit the jackpot that can't you even get atleast 10% of it.
Well said if anyone chases their loss in gambling he/she is addicted to this gambling. Those who play for fun they will not make this mistake because they know it will not work and they will lose more money. And they invest amount only how much they can afford. Those who can not afford their loss and play gambling they are addicted gamblers. These kind of people will never make profit in long run, becasue they will not control there emotions when they are in long run win and finally they end with loss.
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January 23, 2017, 03:25:11 PM
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I will say it actually depends on the position one is looking at losses in gambling in the log run for individuals engaging in gambling like myself and couple of others, I will say yes it is true but same thing cannot be said to the gambling site which will continue to win whether short term or long term simply because 'the house will always win' for them there is never losses in the long run and that is why for the reputable gambling sites, they have stayed with us for years and still counting.
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January 23, 2017, 04:03:57 PM
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Most people start to gamble with an idea of having fun and entertainment in the first place.

There are alot of other entertainment but people choose to gamble? if you wonder why then probably you could think of the reason already, it is for money. More people is actually gamble for money instead of just having fun or atleast doing both of them, people still think that it is nice to win even when they are just having fun
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January 23, 2017, 05:00:44 PM
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Most people start to gamble with an idea of having fun and entertainment in the first place.

There are alot of other entertainment but people choose to gamble? if you wonder why then probably you could think of the reason already, it is for money. More people is actually gamble for money instead of just having fun or atleast doing both of them, people still think that it is nice to win even when they are just having fun
Yup in gambling we have two advantages one is fun, and another one is money, we will get fun with profit that is why all people like gambling. But this fun will not get every time. The profit depends on your luck but the fun and entertainment you will get a lot in gambling.
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January 23, 2017, 05:19:04 PM
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Loss is everywhere, but with gambling it stands next to us. Similar to the Op's question everyone looses in the long run. Because initially even without strategy people used to win, but when they always depend upon the luck without making strategies winning chances will go down slowly.

Yeah, whatever gambling game you are going to play, you are bound for losing. And if you think that playing casino online and real will differs, still you are bound for losing. It is just a matter on how you are going to take the advantage when you are winning while the money is still your hands, it's on how you are going to keep them.
This is false, there are casino games where you cannot win the long run like dice or games like that but there are games that if you have skill you can make profits games like poker which you can learn online or you can sports bet and make good profits.

So what do you think if 5 of you are online and playing poker and beating against each other. Do you think that it is false that all of you are going to win? Or you are going to believe that only a chosen one has the chance to win and all of you are bound for losing? And besides I don't treat gambling money as profit because you didn't work for it.
It is impossible for everyone to win since gambling it is a zero sum game, it is even possible that no one wins even in a poker table because of the rake every casino takes from every pot, but if you are against weaker players than you then your expected value it is positive and you will make some earnings in the long run, it is not about luck but about mathematics.
I doubt if you really know gambling well, in the first place, why would people gamble when it's impossible to win, knowing that it's impossible to win and still do gambling is only making them fool. I know it's very hard to win in gambling due to the edge they have and lack of discipline in our part but I don't think we cannot have a good day in gambling, we will experience a win and we have to make sure that is huge enough to quit.
At least take the time to read the post you are responding to, I did not say it was impossible to win I said it was impossible for everyone to win, some will win and some will lose, and if you took the time to read my post you will see I was talking about poker and in poker there is the possibility no one wins money in a table because in cash games the house gets a cut of every pot played and if the players are about the same level of skill then no one will obtain an edge over the other players.
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January 23, 2017, 11:39:11 PM
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Most people start to gamble with an idea of having fun and entertainment in the first place.

There are alot of other entertainment but people choose to gamble? if you wonder why then probably you could think of the reason already, it is for money. More people is actually gamble for money instead of just having fun or atleast doing both of them, people still think that it is nice to win even when they are just having fun
Yup in gambling we have two advantages one is fun, and another one is money, we will get fun with profit that is why all people like gambling. But this fun will not get every time. The profit depends on your luck but the fun and entertainment you will get a lot in gambling.

If you win alot then you will be happy and will be having fun on the site , that is for sure however if you lose then you wont be happy at all. There is no fun in gambling if there is a real money involved in it and if you are risking your money then you should be taking it seriously instead of just having fun with it
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January 23, 2017, 11:47:12 PM
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Most people start to gamble with an idea of having fun and entertainment in the first place.

There are alot of other entertainment but people choose to gamble? if you wonder why then probably you could think of the reason already, it is for money. More people is actually gamble for money instead of just having fun or atleast doing both of them, people still think that it is nice to win even when they are just having fun
Yup in gambling we have two advantages one is fun, and another one is money, we will get fun with profit that is why all people like gambling. But this fun will not get every time. The profit depends on your luck but the fun and entertainment you will get a lot in gambling.

Not all the time a gambler can guaranteed that gambling for fun only. Because there are times that can we can be tempted and always want to get some profit when we gamble. That's why we already know that gambling will just make us lose in the end and if you are wise enough and you already won some winnings better to stop that time.

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January 25, 2017, 12:15:18 AM
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I've read lately somewhere that one should not only consider how much you are willing to lose when you enter a casino but what's the limit in terms of profits. I definitely agree with this since most of the times you bet, at least one time you're in the green, but you keep playing and lose it all. The hardest thing is walking away with just 10-20% profit.
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January 25, 2017, 12:27:04 AM
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I've read lately somewhere that one should not only consider how much you are willing to lose when you enter a casino but what's the limit in terms of profits. I definitely agree with this since most of the times you bet, at least one time you're in the green, but you keep playing and lose it all. The hardest thing is walking away with just 10-20% profit.

That is not even the hardest thing I've ever heard 10-20% of profit is already a good reward for you. Why not try to consider those gamblers who are walking away without something and even lose a lot plus with debts pending to be paid by them? If you won 10%-20% that's a good thing that you should be thankful because most of us are just losing in the end.

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January 25, 2017, 01:49:25 AM
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Well, that's not always the case. Sometimes even if you have techniques or whatever that we do to make losing slow down, if not prevented it's not enough, remember, when we are betting, we depend on luck and not just any beliefs to win.

There is no such thing as believing that you will win. If everyone keep losing and no one wins then how is it possible that people keep coming back to the site? There is a thin line between a smart and a lousy gambler, for me I dont keep on rampaging my money when I lose in fact I tend to find and gamble EV + bet
Not noone wins , but most people who gamble is always in losing.
It is like there is 10 player, a casino gives 1 player to win and actually the funds is taken from the rest of 9 player.
Because there is house edge , then they take percentage from there , that's why it called 'everyone lost'.
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January 25, 2017, 02:22:47 AM
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Well, that's not always the case. Sometimes even if you have techniques or whatever that we do to make losing slow down, if not prevented it's not enough, remember, when we are betting, we depend on luck and not just any beliefs to win.

There is no such thing as believing that you will win. If everyone keep losing and no one wins then how is it possible that people keep coming back to the site? There is a thin line between a smart and a lousy gambler, for me I dont keep on rampaging my money when I lose in fact I tend to find and gamble EV + bet
Not noone wins , but most people who gamble is always in losing.
It is like there is 10 player, a casino gives 1 player to win and actually the funds is taken from the rest of 9 player.
Because there is house edge , then they take percentage from there , that's why it called 'everyone lost'.
There's plenty of games that has no house edge, one of them are sports betting or those that we call as skilled based games. It is not only the house edge that made us lose in the long run but the lack of discipline in gambling, we always want it instant and that makes us greedy. If we think it is easy to win in gambling then that would only make us lose as we will not work hard to discover a working method.

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January 25, 2017, 05:23:06 AM
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Well, that's not always the case. Sometimes even if you have techniques or whatever that we do to make losing slow down, if not prevented it's not enough, remember, when we are betting, we depend on luck and not just any beliefs to win.

There is no such thing as believing that you will win. If everyone keep losing and no one wins then how is it possible that people keep coming back to the site? There is a thin line between a smart and a lousy gambler, for me I dont keep on rampaging my money when I lose in fact I tend to find and gamble EV + bet
Not noone wins , but most people who gamble is always in losing.
It is like there is 10 player, a casino gives 1 player to win and actually the funds is taken from the rest of 9 player.
Because there is house edge , then they take percentage from there , that's why it called 'everyone lost'.
There's plenty of games that has no house edge, one of them are sports betting or those that we call as skilled based games. It is not only the house edge that made us lose in the long run but the lack of discipline in gambling, we always want it instant and that makes us greedy. If we think it is easy to win in gambling then that would only make us lose as we will not work hard to discover a working method.
i guess there's also house edge from sports betting if you can see the diff from odd that's consider the house edge, and regarding to your statement it is correct that we make our loses because of lack of discipline when we are in the game we always wanted to win and to keep winning greediness follows and thats why we keep on losing.
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January 25, 2017, 05:50:43 AM
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Well, that's not always the case. Sometimes even if you have techniques or whatever that we do to make losing slow down, if not prevented it's not enough, remember, when we are betting, we depend on luck and not just any beliefs to win.

There is no such thing as believing that you will win. If everyone keep losing and no one wins then how is it possible that people keep coming back to the site? There is a thin line between a smart and a lousy gambler, for me I dont keep on rampaging my money when I lose in fact I tend to find and gamble EV + bet
Not noone wins , but most people who gamble is always in losing.
It is like there is 10 player, a casino gives 1 player to win and actually the funds is taken from the rest of 9 player.
Because there is house edge , then they take percentage from there , that's why it called 'everyone lost'.
There's plenty of games that has no house edge, one of them are sports betting or those that we call as skilled based games. It is not only the house edge that made us lose in the long run but the lack of discipline in gambling, we always want it instant and that makes us greedy. If we think it is easy to win in gambling then that would only make us lose as we will not work hard to discover a working method.
i guess there's also house edge from sports betting if you can see the diff from odd that's consider the house edge, and regarding to your statement it is correct that we make our loses because of lack of discipline when we are in the game we always wanted to win and to keep winning greediness follows and thats why we keep on losing.
Maybe what you are referring is the juice of 10%, yeah, maybe it can be considered as house edge but you can still choose to have an odds like 2.0 or higher. If you always take the odds of 1.90, in the long run you will really lose. It is quite bigger than what the dice sites are offering.

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January 25, 2017, 06:06:02 AM
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when we are in the game we always wanted to win and to keep winning greediness follows and thats why we keep on losing.

Everyone wants to win and that is just normal however if you hope to keep on winning everytime than that is just not possible unless you are actually playing an EV + game then you might ended up winning. We will always lose in the long run and unless variance happen when you are still gambling.
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January 25, 2017, 07:33:25 AM
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Most people start to gamble with an idea of having fun and entertainment in the first place.

There are alot of other entertainment but people choose to gamble? if you wonder why then probably you could think of the reason already, it is for money. More people is actually gamble for money instead of just having fun or atleast doing both of them, people still think that it is nice to win even when they are just having fun
Indeed because having fun along with the possibility of getting the money with interest is possible only with gambling. Watching a movie cannot give you pay back in any form rather its a simple cost of entertainment, but problem with gambling is that we just bet much more than we can afford and hence its such a big issue in the society now. Consider someone spending like 10-20 dollars a week on gambling then no issues cause they could easily have spent that much on other activities.

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January 25, 2017, 12:24:17 PM
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Well, that's not always the case. Sometimes even if you have techniques or whatever that we do to make losing slow down, if not prevented it's not enough, remember, when we are betting, we depend on luck and not just any beliefs to win.

There is no such thing as believing that you will win. If everyone keep losing and no one wins then how is it possible that people keep coming back to the site? There is a thin line between a smart and a lousy gambler, for me I dont keep on rampaging my money when I lose in fact I tend to find and gamble EV + bet
Believing that we will win is the only reason why all gamblers actually gamble, no ?
And maybe that's why he said that. But yeah actually loosing in gambling is better because you then get bored with it while when you win you get addicted. The loose and wins often is what keeps the gambler disturbed and addicted at the same time.
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January 25, 2017, 12:53:14 PM
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I tend to agree that you will eventually lose in gambling always. It's better to just gamble for entertainment rather than to make money.
yeah actually it has proven by a lot of research about how much chance a player can win against house edge? the answer was below 1 percent or so. pretty clear i guess for everyone to avoid gambling for making profit . do it for entertainment purpose only , it wouldn't be a matter at all even you always lost.

I don't even think that it is going to be lesser than 1 percent because most of the time we are less fortunate with gambling and it is making us lose all the time.

No matter how we are going to be good at any gambling game, higher chances of losing is always there.

There might be people who are really lucky enough but they are really one of the kind and that's not going to happen to us.
as long as you play on a game that have a house edge which it's has -EV , i'm sure you wouldn't have fun at all and never get profit in the long run. but you can try a game like poker or sportsbetting which has +EV , at least you would have better chance to fight for your luck there instead against house edge that honestly i think it's never ending.

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January 25, 2017, 12:59:32 PM
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Would be very difficult to win some profits by gambling, if you can gamble for fun and know when to stop, you will not suffer huge losses.

As quoted profiting from gambling is really hard. Lucky people get it easy, but luck too won't stand long. While understanding the real facts and knowing the limits user could have lost some amount on gambling. Gambling for fun alone gives a positive vibe as well an excitement.

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January 25, 2017, 01:53:05 PM
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Would be very difficult to win some profits by gambling, if you can gamble for fun and know when to stop, you will not suffer huge losses.

As quoted profiting from gambling is really hard. Lucky people get it easy, but luck too won't stand long. While understanding the real facts and knowing the limits user could have lost some amount on gambling. Gambling for fun alone gives a positive vibe as well an excitement.

It is not requisite that everything is based on luck alone. Luck part matters a lot, but people who don't understand anything should not think of touching it. I mean if you are not good at dice, don't play it when you know that you are better at poker. Same applies to sports betting as well, if you don't know basketball, don't try to be over-smart by betting on intuitions, but you should concentrate on sports that you know well and bet on the same, as here, luck factor is not needed much because you will have analysis as well as knowledge of it.
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January 25, 2017, 01:54:13 PM
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Would be very difficult to win some profits by gambling, if you can gamble for fun and know when to stop, you will not suffer huge losses.

As quoted profiting from gambling is really hard. Lucky people get it easy, but luck too won't stand long. While understanding the real facts and knowing the limits user could have lost some amount on gambling. Gambling for fun alone gives a positive vibe as well an excitement.

Not gambling at all is the only positive vibe.
Controlling your addictions is the only positive vibes.
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