The Singularity

[myrkul]

Bitcoin has been part of my singularity plans since I had heard of it.

Having plans for the post singularity world is a logical fallacy for a human intelligence.

That implies that Hex there is of human intelligence. How do you know that they're not an AI?

He has to few posts to be a bot.

I said AI, not bot. Bot is human-programmed. AI programs itself.

[Luno]

Bitcoin has been part of my singularity plans since I had heard of it.

Having plans for the post singularity world is a logical fallacy for a human intelligence.

That implies that Hex there is of human intelligence. How do you know that they're not an AI?

He has to few posts to be a bot.

I said AI, not bot. Bot is human-programmed. AI programs itself.

Now we are getting somewhere. So you believe that intelligence is an entity on it self that can evolve independently? Intelligence or consciousness is evolution hard wired in us based on external stimuli for generations. Our own sense of "Me" is a social adaptation in primate evolution. Whenever I see an example of a convincing A.I. I always wonder if it is not me who is tricked into feeling that this artificial presence is intelligent. I could just be like a cat in front of a mirror.

[myrkul]

Bitcoin has been part of my singularity plans since I had heard of it.

Having plans for the post singularity world is a logical fallacy for a human intelligence.

That implies that Hex there is of human intelligence. How do you know that they're not an AI?

He has to few posts to be a bot.

I said AI, not bot. Bot is human-programmed. AI programs itself.

Now we are getting somewhere. So you believe that intelligence is an entity on it self that can evolve independently? Intelligence or consciousness is evolution hard wired in us based on external stimuli for generations. Our own sense of "Me" is a social adaptation in primate evolution. Whenever I see an example of a convincing A.I. I always wonder if it is not me who is tricked into feeling that this artificial presence is intelligent. I could just be like a cat in front of a mirror.

The same could be said of your friends and family. How do you know that anyone other than yourself is a thinking, conscious being?

[Luno]

Yep Myrkul, and your own brain cannot judge your own intelligence on any scale. Cats most likely think they are smarter than us Except for the ones that get fooled by their own reflection.

my point: You cannot have an intelligence separated from the environment. You need breeding and natural selection to evolve intelligence. A single entity getting smarter by itself is a Si-Fi myth.

Intelligence is evolution as everything else. Social primates as us which depends on a community group, have evolved competition within our own spieces. We serve the group as we serve self interests. This is what we percieve as own intelligence.

The first true A.I. will not be build, it will be discovered. It will be a mutated computer virus that is so fundamentally different from anything programmed by a human, that there can be no doubt. This will be initiated by some garbage code made in a glitch in some ramstick somewhere.

This is how biological life started and this is how A.iI. will start.

A naturally parallel to such a scenario would be the "Jacob Creutzfeldt disease"; a mutated protein that has a mechanism for self replication in the infected cells. It is not even a virus , even less alive than a virus. It's a mirror image of a common protein that gets accumulated in the infected cell to a slightly larger extent that the correct protein, until the cell dies and spreads it proteins to infect other cells. There are really no drugs that can combat this protein.

To have a walking talking A.I  You need several primitive computer life forms that can evolve and exchange code (sex). Later on you need more complex artificial lifeforms in communities that can evolve culture and intelligence. If This A.I. culture gets smart enough and discovers that the universe it lives in is man made. It might try to decode human language and send us an email or start a religion.

You can argue that every time we have some unpredicted behaviour in a computer model, it is a reminder That the computer really doesn't care it has found a shorter path for it' electrons through it's gates totally oblivious to the fact that it is trying to predict the weather next Thursday.

Computers are confined to the natural world and the laws of physics and as such they also are predisposed to evolve life if they are given enough time and no opposition from us.

 - Another argument to deregulate the internet.