Dash Codename Evolution

[qwizzie]

theres lots of sites which wear the dark coin and this implementation of dash its like a new coin no i mean every wallert of dark will remain dark and dash can be traded no and mined soo nice...

Thats true, its still very much mineable with GPU's and Dash itself does what it set out to do : provide fast and anonymous transactions.
Evolution (v13) seems to be moving parts of the current core functions to protocol level, it will be interesting to see where that all leads to. 

[qwizzie]

Credits to @alex-ru Productions:
Credits to tungfa

"See you in Miami"

[TPTB_need_war]

You're sure you don't mean double payment? It's part of the payment calcs that can result in receiving 2 masternode payments in succession. I'm not sure how it got in there, it may have been a harmless bug that got left in or it could have been an intended feature but it can't be gamed and it's a nice surprise for masternode operators, a 1 in 100 chance and it balances out across the network.

Another random bug like the instamine and this one never gets fixed.

I would have to study the code before I could determine whether it can be gamed. I will not take your nor Evan's word for it.

Sorry I just have a hard time buying into these sort of denials. Why wouldn't you users demand full investigation and disclosure. Why not hire an independent programmer to go do the research. I think because you don't really want to know.

And so it is not my place to tell you otherwise. Carry on. And I won't reply if you don't reply

https://www.dashpay.io/masternodes2/

[Sub-Ether]

You're sure you don't mean double payment? It's part of the payment calcs that can result in receiving 2 masternode payments in succession. I'm not sure how it got in there, it may have been a harmless bug that got left in or it could have been an intended feature but it can't be gamed and it's a nice surprise for masternode operators, a 1 in 100 chance and it balances out across the network.

Another random bug like the instamine and this one never gets fixed.

Its not a random bug at all, this was predicted by the developers and is merely a facet of the code, you bleated on about the centralization of the reference node and now thats gone, you bleat on about a 1 in 100 chance of a double payment that evens out in time, sounds like you live in a perfect world which unfortunately the rest of us don't coexist in.
The randomness protects against hacking, and if you ran a masternode you would know it doesn't matter because all the payments balance out in the end, so its not relevent to the masternode holders but only to people like you for some reason.

[qwizzie]

a few more pieces perhaps of the cryptopuzzle thats called Dash Evolution : http://cointelegraph.com/news/115510/worlds-first-dapi-decentralized-application-programming-interface

CoinTelegraph (CT) caught up with Duffield to ask him to expound on the ideas behind the world's first DAPI.

CT: For those unfamiliar with exactly how an API works – much less how it could be called "centralized" – please explain what an API does.
CT: What functions would Dash's decentralized API – DAPI – be useful for?
CT: How is the randomly selected quorum's data compatible with a competitive Proof-of-Work system?
CT: You've called Dash the first Virtual Corporation. Is a virtual corporation different in nature from the more commonly-used term DAC (Decentralized autonomous company/corporation)?
CT: What else aside from the DAPI can we expect to see over the next few months of the Dash 'Evolution' rollout?

Answers can be found in the article.

Note : Decentralised API (or DAPI) is only part of Dash Evolution

[qwizzie]

"See you in Mexico"
credits : Minotaur

and giving an update about Evolution as we prepare for the Miami keynote.

More pieces of the puzzle there ? Lets hope so...

https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-to-speak-and-exhibit-at-the-3rd-latin-american-bitcoin-conference-mexico.6505/
 

[qwizzie]

Two more clues / discovery's came out today : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg12931574#msg12931574

Masternode Input-Age Based Quorum Layering

Quorums are created using the age of the masternodes, 25% of the quorums are more than 1.5 years old, the next 25% is more than 1 year old, the next 25% is more than 6 months old,
then the final 25% is any masternode that is newer than that. It guarantees, you can't control a quorum by just buying coins from an exchange to make new masternodes,
there will always be masternodes that are really, really old.

Update: : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg12931868#msg12931868
Q :

All good, one question regarding the use of MN age in selection of quorums.  Will they also still be selected from the hash?  I hope you can do both because I like the randomness of that.  
If you can select with both requirements, that's be impossible to game IMO Smiley

A :

Exactly. Instead of using the hash to build the quorum at all once, you do it in four steps, by age. It's still deterministic.

Sub-Ether :

Damn fine idea, time locked network hacker resistant with 51% taking over 1 year in multiple stages, is this another world first?  Cool

User / Masternode Vote Blinding

Implementation of user/masternode vote blinding, which will allow literally everyone to remain semi-anonymous on the network. Imagine you can vote privately on budgets.

[qwizzie]

[qwizzie]

https://dashtalk.org/threads/introducing-our-new-team-members.7160/

New Dash Evolution Update - LATAM Bitcoin Conference

Dash Evolution introduces new and creative ways to think about digital currency supported in a three tier architecture. We have so far made announcements of some of the concepts and features we have planned for the next big release of the Dash platform while working on the architecture.

It goes without saying that we have been working hard developing the foundation of Evolution. At this point, we feel we’re far enough in the development process to start opening it up to community feedback and conversation.

We want this to be a transparent process, all Dash Evolution documentation will be opened and all the existing code open sourced.. and we’re going to do that at the convention in Mexico, on December 5th. Up into this point, the work was experimental, now we feel we have established a solid base to build upon. We feel this will be a great time to get the community involved and gather feedback so we can revise the concepts and make any necessary changes as we are still early in the process.

This way we will have almost two months of community feedback and discussion before officially presenting a prototype to the world on The North American Bitcoin Conference in Miami.

See you in Mexico!

Disclosure of Dash Evolution imminent, T minus 9 days....

[qwizzie]

Disclosure of Dash Evolution : https://www.dash.org/evolution/



Dash Evolution creates a new type of cryptographic currency with various advanced features that assist in the creation of decentralized technology. Dash introduces a tiered network design, which allows users to do various jobs for the network, along with decentralized API access and a decentralized file system.

We will be writing the software for this project in stages, the first stage will take about 2 months to have a very early prototype for Dash Evolution that includes a basic implementation of DashDrive, Primitives, DAPI and a simple T3 wallet. In six to eight months, we should be entering testnet phase with most basic functionality. In 12-18 months, we plan for the first release version (a stable prototype).

Included below is our current work on Evolution, that adds many components such as:

• DashDrive – A decentralized shared file system that lives on the second tier network
• DAPI – A decentralized API which allows third tier users to access the network securely
• DashPay Decentralized Wallets – These wallets are light clients connected to the network via DAPI and run on various platforms
• Second Tier – The masternode network, which provides compensated infrastructure for the project
• Budgets – The second tier is given voting power to allocate funds for specific projects on the network via the budget system
• Governance – The second tier is given voting power to govern the currency and chart the course the currency takes
• Quorum Chain – This feature introduces a permanent stable masternode list, which can be used to calculate past and present quorums
• Primitives – We introduce Users, Groups and Accounts which allow a common way of interacting with the network.
• Social Wallet – By utilizing primitives, we introduce a social wallet, which allows friends lists, grouping of users and shared accounts.
• DSQL – A query language for administering the network via majority quorums (banning users, setting important network variables such as sporks on/off, etc)

Evolution Documentation Release

We’re going to try something different with the development of Dash Evolution. This is a social experiment on building an entire currency completely in the open, with extreme transparency, as such, things will change constantly. This is intended to be an open discovery process that helps us to create the best possible implementation, GUI and feature set for Dash Evolution.  Help us to flesh out these documents by editing, correcting or even coming up with new ideas that we could work into the system.

The documentation below is intended to be very high level, which should give a clear understanding of how to build and secure such a system. These aren’t really intended to be whitepapers, just simple technical documents showing the design choices and structures.

Many of these documents are outlines of ideas of how different pieces of Dash Evolution will work, they aren’t complete, feel free to add to these as well. To help us, simply click the “EDIT” button, then request access to the given documents. Please do not edit the documents directly, instead use the google docs “Suggest” feature. This is intended to be an open discussion of the technology in the documents, that will evolve with the project.

Thanks!

Evan Duffield

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We will be releasing many more documents not here yet in the near future, please keep coming back to see updates and progress of Evolution.

Releases: Last Updated – December 4th, 2015




Will Dash Evolution revolutionize cryptocurrency ? Please discuss.....

[onemorexmr]

what does "Banning Users" mean exactly?

[generalizethis]

what does "Banning Users" mean exactly?

Maybe we'll know in "12-18 months"  

[onemorexmr]

what does "Banning Users" mean exactly?

Maybe we'll know in "12-18 months"  

well it sounds like...evan (as one of the biggest holder) may freeze any funds he wants ;-)
that would be the end of dash though

but i'd prefer to hear an explanation... i dont think he would make it THAT obvious that he wants to reduce the money supply even further

[DrkLvr_]

We’re going to try something different with the development of Dash Evolution. This is a social experiment on building an entire currency completely in the open, with extreme transparency, as such, things will change constantly. This is intended to be an open discovery process that helps us to create the best possible implementation, GUI and feature set for Dash Evolution.  Help us to flesh out these documents by editing, correcting or even coming up with new ideas that we could work into the system.

In other words - "we failed to implement Masternode Blinding, we have no idea what DASH is anymore except that we instamined a lot of it. So we'll call it a social experiment. Meanwhile, we'll continue collecting daily interest payments on our 1000+ instamined masternodes for the next 12-18+ months"


Wow DarkDASHstorjcoin

[smooth]

what does "Banning Users" mean exactly?

Maybe we'll know in "12-18 months" 

well it sounds like...evan (as one of the biggest holder) may freeze any funds he wants ;-)
that would be the end of dash though

but i'd prefer to hear an explanation... i dont think he would make it THAT obvious that he wants to reduce the money supply even further

What makes you think that would be the end?

There is a small group of insiders who appear willing to keep the effort going a while longer, regardless of how absurd a direction it takes or how many times stated development goals are hyped and then largely or entirely abandoned. They most if not all seem to have accounts created within a month or two of Xcoin/darkcoin/Dash launch (excluding obvious later sock puppets), with early posts on the Dash thread immediately or almost immediately. Likely most knew each other already from other "ventures" or perhaps many of those accounts are just sock puppets, it is hard to say which.

Yes, there are a few exceptions, before anyone pops up and claims to be neither an insider nor a sock puppet (not that such claims could be verified anyway), but they are just that, exceptions.

[onemorexmr]

what does "Banning Users" mean exactly?

Maybe we'll know in "12-18 months" 

well it sounds like...evan (as one of the biggest holder) may freeze any funds he wants ;-)
that would be the end of dash though

but i'd prefer to hear an explanation... i dont think he would make it THAT obvious that he wants to reduce the money supply even further

What makes you think that would be the end?

There is a small group of insiders who appear willing to keep the effort going a while longer, regardless of how absurd a direction it takes or how many times stated development goals are hyped and then largely or entirely abandoned. They most if not all seem to have accounts created within a month or two of Xcoin/darkcoin/Dash launch (excluding obvious later sock puppets), with early posts on the Dash thread immediately or almost immediately. Likely most knew each other already from other "ventures" or perhaps many of those accounts are just sock puppets, it is hard to say which.

Yes, there are a few exceptions, before anyone pops up and claims to be neither an insider nor a sock puppet (not that such claims could be verified anyway), but they are just that, exceptions.

your statements are all correct.
i still think it is the end, because i cant believe they will find buyers for a coin where somebody is able to freeze balances. crypto is about a trustless currency.
IMHO without buyers the insiders will loose interest.

i may be wrong though

but thats all speculation:
IF evan make this change
IF they are able to freeze balances (not sure what they mean by users - maybe its just for the "social part")

and how this all fits together with dashs so called "anonymity" is another thing to see

[iCEBREAKER]

what does "Banning Users" mean exactly?

Maybe we'll know in "12-18 months" 

well it sounds like...evan (as one of the biggest holder) may freeze any funds he wants ;-)
that would be the end of dash though

but i'd prefer to hear an explanation... i dont think he would make it THAT obvious that he wants to reduce the money supply even further

What makes you think that would be the end?

There is a small group of insiders who appear willing to keep the effort going a while longer, regardless of how absurd a direction it takes or how many times stated development goals are hyped and then largely or entirely abandoned. They most if not all seem to have accounts created within a month or two of Xcoin/darkcoin/Dash launch (excluding obvious later sock puppets), with early posts on the Dash thread immediately or almost immediately. Likely most knew each other already from other "ventures" or perhaps many of those accounts are just sock puppets, it is hard to say which.

Yes, there are a few exceptions, before anyone pops up and claims to be neither an insider nor a sock puppet (not that such claims could be verified anyway), but they are just that, exceptions.

Speaking of absurd:

This was conveniently left out from the published papers I suppose:

Mixing still relies on liquidity providers, which just shows how broken the system is. Even joinmarket works better. Unless DASH will implement a joinmarket-like system of course. But why use DASH then 
Joinmarket will give you better privacy than an illiquid DASH mixing system.

This is a leak from the "rough copy" Wolf talked about earlier. A lot of people had access to it before this official release:

So that would imply that mixing requires someone else who is centralized. Wow that's pretty bad.

Expect the "liquidity provider" and "network administrator" roles to be Sybil attacked until a quorum of adversaries exists.

Of course there is also the possibility the instamine-empowered Core Dev is by default the de facto adversary of the ordinary honest user...

[qwizzie]

what does "Banning Users" mean exactly?

thanks for posting that question as i too was interested in knowing the answer (i posted it on the Dashtalk forum yesterday and got a reply)

https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-evolution-discussion-thread.7231/

Maybe we'll know in "12-18 months"  

i guess i changed that 12-18 months into 1 day for you .. your welcome.

****

troll fud as usual

What makes you think that would be the end?

There is a small group of insiders who appear willing to keep the effort going a while longer, regardless of how absurd a direction it takes or how many times stated development goals are hyped and then largely or entirely abandoned. They most if not all seem to have accounts created within a month or two of Xcoin/darkcoin/Dash launch (excluding obvious later sock puppets), with early posts on the Dash thread immediately or almost immediately. Likely most knew each other already from other "ventures" or perhaps many of those accounts are just sock puppets, it is hard to say which.

Yes, there are a few exceptions, before anyone pops up and claims to be neither an insider nor a sock puppet (not that such claims could be verified anyway), but they are just that, exceptions.

Hi Risto .. why am i thinking of your cryptocurrency Monero when you type the above ?

* small group of insiders --> check
* development goals largely abandoned --> check
* a lot of sock poppet accounts --> check
 

"presenting a rough copy as the holy grail"

I suggest you focus on the official documentation that has been disclosed recentely and not some first rough draft
https://www.dash.org/evolution/

Also remember that Dash now entered a discussion period at which the official documentation is open for change
or addition at any time..
 
Anyways, nice to see all you XMR guys in here supporting my thread, warms my heart.

[onemorexmr]

what does "Banning Users" mean exactly?

thanks for posting that question as i too was interested in knowing the answer (i posted it on the Dashtalk forum yesterday and got a reply)

https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-evolution-discussion-thread.7231/

IMHO that doesnt explain anything.
what is banning? IP-ban? what is attacking dash? maybe ban DarkLover because your community doesnt like the posting?

i just want to know what banning means. if i am banned:
 - am i able to send funds?
 - am i able to run a node?
 - am i able to run a masternode?

Disclaimer: I dont own Dash and dont plan to buy. Just interested.

[qwizzie]

what does "Banning Users" mean exactly?

thanks for posting that question as i too was interested in knowing the answer (i posted it on the Dashtalk forum yesterday and got a reply)

https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-evolution-discussion-thread.7231/

IMHO that doesnt explain anything.
what is banning? IP-ban? what is attacking dash? maybe ban DarkLover because your community doesnt like the posting?

i just want to know what banning means. if i am banned:
 - am i able to send funds?
 - am i able to run a node?
 - am i able to run a masternode?

Disclaimer: I dont own Dash and dont plan to buy. Just interested.

I'm not totally sure myself but i suspect that banning has to do more with control over masternodes and miners and not to do with the endusers.
I will get back on this... or hopefully someone can comment on this who knows more of the specifics.

ref : https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-evolution-discussion-thread.7231/page-2#post-75962