Oct 11 to Nov 11 Sidehack stick pool club.

[Mikestang]

You put in a lot of work keeping track of all this Phil.  I wish the process could be more automated and save you some time.  Thanks for doing this!

[philipma1957]

You put in a lot of work keeping track of all this Phil.  I wish the process could be more automated and save you some time.  Thanks for doing this!

Well I am retired and do have some time to spare.

I also do wish to get this idea fully off the ground.

The goal for me is to get sidehack to the next level of gear and then one more level of gear.

My math shows me that a s-7 chip can be used for a .17 watt underclocked piece of gear.

maybe this could be inside a 600gh  board using 102 watts  even 120 watts.

If bitmaintech would sell sidehack enough chips to make  100 of these  we are talking 60th.

If most were hashing in a sidehack solo/club      we would hit blocks and the gear would be the most efficient gear around.

  We would turn a profit and since the chips are limited to 60th  it really would not hurt bitmaintech's bottom line.

In fact after we run this for 90 or 120 days they (bitmaintech) could use sidehack's design to mass produce  a s-7+ piece of machinery.  Every one wins on this idea.

[toptek]

You put in a lot of work keeping track of all this Phil.  I wish the process could be more automated and save you some time.  Thanks for doing this!

Well I am retired and do have some time to spare.

I also do wish to get this idea fully off the ground.

The goal for me is to get sidehack to the next level of gear and then one more level of gear.

My math shows me that a s-7 chip can be used for a .17 watt underclocked piece of gear.

maybe this could be inside a 600gh  board using 102 watts  even 120 watts.

If bitmaintech would sell sidehack enough chips to make  100 of these  we are talking 60th.

If most were hashing in a sidehack solo/club      we would hit blocks and the gear would be the most efficient gear around.

  We would turn a profit and since the chips are limited to 60th  it really would not hurt bitmaintech's bottom line.

In fact after we run this for 90 or 120 days they (bitmaintech) could use sidehack's design to mass produce  a s-7+ piece of machinery.  Every one wins on this idea.

nice ideas but bitmain being who they are now to big for there own good forgot us , in there S1 s3 days they would replace any thng you didn't have to buy it direct they just would etc then the S5 came they started going down hill in that respect . .  it would be nice if they would consider it and do it even give him a really nice price not the going rate it won't hurt them at all but greed tends to do that once they get a taste for having it all.

[AJRGale]

What am I missing here? the club has only x spots open, first come, first serve, for only a month? I can understand you can only take care of so many people.

I thought the original idea was everyone runs the sticks with the solo, if block, even split between the total people running sticks (no share counting), so if there is 50 people running 200 sticks the 50 people get 0.5BTC each which would pay back most people sticks (if all 50 people had 4 sticks each, they would profit with 0.1btc)

[philipma1957]

What am I missing here? the club has only x spots open, first come, first serve, for only a month? I can understand you can only take care of so many people.

I thought the original idea was everyone runs the sticks with the solo, if block, even split between the total people running sticks (no share counting), so if there is 50 people running 200 sticks the 50 people get 0.5BTC each which would pay back most people sticks (if all 50 people had 4 sticks each, they would profit with 0.1btc)

okay I have to go out but I will try to give a long detailed answer to you later today.

[alh]

Just to be picky, if sidehack built a BM1385 based miner, it might more likely be an S7- . Based on what we have seen, I think we all know what an S7+ will look like (i.e. a lot like an S5+).

 

[notlist3d]

What am I missing here? the club has only x spots open, first come, first serve, for only a month? I can understand you can only take care of so many people.

I thought the original idea was everyone runs the sticks with the solo, if block, even split between the total people running sticks (no share counting), so if there is 50 people running 200 sticks the 50 people get 0.5BTC each which would pay back most people sticks (if all 50 people had 4 sticks each, they would profit with 0.1btc)

okay I have to go out but I will try to give a long detailed answer to you later today.

I think at a certain point it get's to be unfun to try.  It's lotto so the difference between 30 and 50 people is not going to make a huge difference on us hitting lotto.  Are you wanting to join the group AJR?  Or just making these suggestions?

But  Phil had a pretty good setup of it being split part on no of people, and other part based on hash as so many have different amounts of sticks.

[toptek]

What am I missing here? the club has only x spots open, first come, first serve, for only a month? I can understand you can only take care of so many people.

I thought the original idea was everyone runs the sticks with the solo, if block, even split between the total people running sticks (no share counting), so if there is 50 people running 200 sticks the 50 people get 0.5BTC each which would pay back most people sticks (if all 50 people had 4 sticks each, they would profit with 0.1btc)

Hey man I'm lost do you want a slot or some one you know that wants one . I'll give mine up for now till we get the Pods sooner or later he gonna remove me any way, i may not log in for days . if some one wants my slot just ask . I'm only here helping out, if we do hit, i was gonna tell phill to keep it . i like the GEN idea I'm able to help some how . but I'm starting to get bored with the solo idea . i mean that in a good way .

[sloopy]

What am I missing here? the club has only x spots open, first come, first serve, for only a month? I can understand you can only take care of so many people.

I thought the original idea was everyone runs the sticks with the solo, if block, even split between the total people running sticks (no share counting), so if there is 50 people running 200 sticks the 50 people get 0.5BTC each which would pay back most people sticks (if all 50 people had 4 sticks each, they would profit with 0.1btc)

Personally, I haven't properly considered the number of members. I assume there must be a cap, but I haven't considered the Pros and Cons for the community as it relates to the number. I was pretty lazy regarding the whole thing. I have said immense praise and thanks to our man Phil who is doing more than a fair bit of moving names, numbers, and keep people informed, thanks again bud. I literally setup my sticks to hash on the stick pool and have been playing with one of them seeing how high I can push it (375 was stable. Voltage max and Y cable in a hub which puts out high amperage), but in general I have been lazy about the pool. I should be more involved though, and I've always enjoyed your banter with sidehack and would appreciate your thoughts.

I did see some ideas thrown around in the other thread and since I have not put a fair amount of thought into the direction the pool should take, bare with me as I struggle through something with you.

I am going to leave the member cap alone for now, but will circle back around.

The concept is fantastic. Requiring one particular model of miner and allowing a separate worker with 'other' hash covers the best of both worlds. You have the mainstay of the compac which should and has been dominating the posts in the thread. Sharing information with Peers who may have much more experience, or sharing what you know and maybe help someone. I think it may even be something which inspires more interaction between specific people who are even more like-minded regarding other topics.
I participated in the groups of sorts. I'm sure you have seen folding @ home or the SETI project. Some fantastic groups of people can choose to have their own team so to speak and it may cause situations where it inspires some great values and interaction.

It may inspire a little healthy competition as well. Which is again great for a group. I'm not saying we are there yet, but maybe.

I think any mining machine can take advantage of the same system. For example, start a group of S3s solo mining, or make it an SP20 club and reward for best underclock. Make it somewhere you know a group of people who not only own the same miner, you can try out things and have people who are definitely interested be involved, make replies, share great information, and it gets better over time, but quickly.

Circling back around as I promised to do...
It obviously cannot be 500 people in 1 single group, but that doesn't mean that if there is a large interest of people who want to be in, that something couldn't be worked out. I think Phil is trying to be reasonable yet still keep it at a decent wow amount IF the pool hits.
There could always be second or third groups and that would invite some competition that way, and a little trash talk with the comradery.

I look forward to hearing yours and almost anyone else's opinion of how you grow the size but maintain the scale at something which could grow to be 90% socially dependant. i would also appreciate comments on the donation of additional hash which is not a compac, or GekkoScience product in many cases. Obviously that would consist of additional compac's at this point, but maybe ol' type zero may come around.

The possibilities and positive things which may grow could be great and I look forward to being more involved where possible.

[Meech]

What am I missing here? the club has only x spots open, first come, first serve, for only a month? I can understand you can only take care of so many people.

I thought the original idea was everyone runs the sticks with the solo, if block, even split between the total people running sticks (no share counting), so if there is 50 people running 200 sticks the 50 people get 0.5BTC each which would pay back most people sticks (if all 50 people had 4 sticks each, they would profit with 0.1btc)

It has been discussed on previous page but I know it can be tedious to keep track, especially one guy.
It's true more people have a better chance but like notlist3d said the more people the less of a reward.
Kinda like winning the lottery and have 20 winners sharing the pot.  More hash can be donated to push
the chances but as far as a club currently I think it has been discussed by phil to keep it low for now.
As these projects of sidehacks take off the club I'm sure will grow and more will help in tending to the club
needs.

One thing, and it has been mentioned before, is to have multiple teams mining the same pool but differentiated by team names or numbers.  Not sharing the pot if your team wins.

[philipma1957]

Well ajrgale  I got back to write my answer. Seems like a lot of people have given answers that are pretty close to what I have to say.


we are maxed at 30 at this time.  we have 29 right now with 2 not mining so we have 3 empty spots.

all members have at least 1 stick  check

we have more then 3th                check

we are a rare pool that you don't lose  all your  shares if you stop during the 30 day run. Part A ends after 1 day   Part B just dilutes check

we allow you the miner  a minimum of 1 stick  check

we allow you the miner no max hash as high as you want check



I went away from sticks only 1 with a max of 50  because 50 x 10gh  or 50 x 8gh or 50 x 18gh   are all too small to let us ever really hit a block.

This setup allows you to mine 1 stick 24/7/30 .  It  costs  you  at 20-30  cents a kwatt for a month =    2 to 3 usd per month if you use a rasp pi,   plus 25 usd for the stick or 28 bucks.  If you do this  for 3 months  = 25 + 9 = 34 bucks  if we hit you get .4 btc  at worst.

we are doing 3.75th average  this is about a 10 percent chance for a block if you do it 90 days.

The goal is to get a 1385 chip miner in the 600 to 1000gh size that does .20watts or less.
The goal is to get 25th -50th in the club.
This is more viable way for a small miner to mine then any other method available.
If we can get to this good if not also good.  At least we tried a way to keep home mining around in an affordable manner.

[AJRGale]

Well ajrgale  I got back to write my answer. Seems like a lot of people have given answers that are pretty close to what I have to say.

Yeah, reading it over..

we are maxed at 30 at this time.  we have 29 right now with 2 not mining so we have 3 empty spots.

all members have at least 1 stick  check

we have more then 3th                check

we are a rare pool that you don't lose  all your  shares if you stop during the 30 day run. Part A ends after 1 day   Part B just dilutes check

we allow you the miner  a minimum of 1 stick  check

we allow you the miner no max hash as high as you want check

I understand this.

I went away from sticks only 1 with a max of 50  because 50 x 10gh  or 50 x 8gh or 50 x 18gh   are all too small to let us ever really hit a block.

no comprehension, other then sticks only doesn't give best hashes, fare enough there, donate a PH or 2,

This setup allows you to mine 1 stick 24/7/30 .  It  costs  you  at 20-30  cents a kwatt for a month =    2 to 3 usd per month if you use a rasp pi,   plus 25 usd for the stick or 28 bucks.  If you do this  for 3 months  = 25 + 9 = 34 bucks  if we hit you get .4 btc  at worst.

I don't care about running costs, its going to be parasitic to the other miners of mine anyway.

we are doing 3.75th average  this is about a 10 percent chance for a block if you do it 90 days.

mean time calculation? so 900 days there is 75% chance give or take difficulty..

The goal is to get a 1385 chip miner in the 600 to 1000gh size that does .20watts or less.
The goal is to get 25th -50th in the club.
This is more viable way for a small miner to mine then any other method available.
If we can get to this good if not also good.  At least we tried a way to keep home mining around in an affordable manner.

long term goals for the club.

but, its all based on shares yes? so if i throw 1PH/s at the pool I basically get most of the winnings, like a normal PPS pool (if i wasn't donating to it)

As I said, the way i though it was going to run, was if we all sign up, throw our names in the hat with what we can hash, if we get a block, 25BTC/stick, who cares what hashing work people put in, if you have a stick, its a ticket into the pool.

but im not telling you to run it that way, no no! I was wondering how it is run, it seems to be a monthly run, with so many seats, if a block in that time, reward divided by shares less donations.

It has been discussed on previous page but I know it can be tedious to keep track, especially one guy.
It's true more people have a better chance but like notlist3d said the more people the less of a reward.
Kinda like winning the lottery and have 20 winners sharing the pot.  More hash can be donated to push
the chances but as far as a club currently I think it has been discussed by phil to keep it low for now.
As these projects of sidehacks take off the club I'm sure will grow and more will help in tending to the club
needs.

One thing, and it has been mentioned before, is to have multiple teams mining the same pool but differentiated by team names or numbers.  Not sharing the pot if your team wins.

i was basically wondering how the pot was divvied up. as mentioned, it looks to be per share.

Personally, I haven't properly considered the number of members. I assume there must be a cap, but I haven't considered the Pros and Cons for the community as it relates to the number. I was pretty lazy regarding the whole thing. I have said immense praise and thanks to our man Phil who is doing more than a fair bit of moving names, numbers, and keep people informed, thanks again bud. I literally setup my sticks to hash on the stick pool and have been playing with one of them seeing how high I can push it (375 was stable. Voltage max and Y cable in a hub which puts out high amperage), but in general I have been lazy about the pool. I should be more involved though, and I've always enjoyed your banter with sidehack and would appreciate your thoughts.

Phil has always done a lot for this community

I did see some ideas thrown around in the other thread and since I have not put a fair amount of thought into the direction the pool should take, bare with me as I struggle through something with you.

I am going to leave the member cap alone for now, but will circle back around.

The concept is fantastic. Requiring one particular model of miner and allowing a separate worker with 'other' hash covers the best of both worlds. You have the mainstay of the compac which should and has been dominating the posts in the thread. Sharing information with Peers who may have much more experience, or sharing what you know and maybe help someone. I think it may even be something which inspires more interaction between specific people who are even more like-minded regarding other topics.
I participated in the groups of sorts. I'm sure you have seen folding @ home or the SETI project. Some fantastic groups of people can choose to have their own team so to speak and it may cause situations where it inspires some great values and interaction.

It may inspire a little healthy competition as well. Which is again great for a group. I'm not saying we are there yet, but maybe.

I think any mining machine can take advantage of the same system. For example, start a group of S3s solo mining, or make it an SP20 club and reward for best underclock. Make it somewhere you know a group of people who not only own the same miner, you can try out things and have people who are definitely interested be involved, make replies, share great information, and it gets better over time, but quickly.

Circling back around as I promised to do...
It obviously cannot be 500 people in 1 single group, but that doesn't mean that if there is a large interest of people who want to be in, that something couldn't be worked out. I think Phil is trying to be reasonable yet still keep it at a decent wow amount IF the pool hits.
There could always be second or third groups and that would invite some competition that way, and a little trash talk with the comradery.

I look forward to hearing yours and almost anyone else's opinion of how you grow the size but maintain the scale at something which could grow to be 90% socially dependant. i would also appreciate comments on the donation of additional hash which is not a compac, or GekkoScience product in many cases. Obviously that would consist of additional compac's at this point, but maybe ol' type zero may come around.

The possibilities and positive things which may grow could be great and I look forward to being more involved where possible.

Yes, I was half tempted to set up something like this myself, with the compacs, I  talked to my boss to see if there was a way to setup a "solo-pool" using Cons software, with the infrastructure here, it wasn't feasible, then I spotted this one.

i can see "this only miner pool" sprouting up, maybe I might just play with a U3 only pool..

I think OgNasty had his pool running seats and 1Oz silver tokens for auction every year/quater/months (one of them?) which is almost the same, a private pool with so many slots. so the concepts of set seats to a pool doesn't bother me, its basically based on what one can support.

I think at a certain point it get's to be unfun to try.  It's lotto so the difference between 30 and 50 people is not going to make a huge difference on us hitting lotto.  Are you wanting to join the group AJR?  Or just making these suggestions?

But  Phil had a pretty good setup of it being split part on no of people, and other part based on hash as so many have different amounts of sticks.

when I get my sticks yes, I'll join in.
And no I'm not making suggestions, only questioning to what I know and observed.

And back to Phil.
Have you got a system that collates the hashes/users/donation properly? do you want to see if I can get someone to make a little website that shows everyones details and calculates a final winning output per person? i think Con has a decent plain text output that could pull info off.

[VirosaGITS]

Have you got a system that collates the hashes/users/donation properly? do you want to see if I can get someone to make a little website that shows everyones details and calculates a final winning output per person? i think Con has a decent plain text output that could pull info off.

^ this would be awesome and you can use the ckpool pool api-like return data using a list of the miners here. Phil would just need some sort of access to add/remove miners as needed.

For the shares, if you gave us 1PH we would definitively get a block at some point, and if nothing changed then you'd get nearly half for having 98%+ of the shares done. The other half would be shares evenly at 1 per person. 1/27 right now.

You'd thus get in the vicinity of 28/54 shares.

TLDR: Last a heard. Half of the reward is divided evenly, the other half is divided on the share count that is being counted at the moment.

[aarons6]

Have you got a system that collates the hashes/users/donation properly? do you want to see if I can get someone to make a little website that shows everyones details and calculates a final winning output per person? i think Con has a decent plain text output that could pull info off.

^ this would be awesome and you can use the ckpool pool api-like return data using a list of the miners here. Phil would just need some sort of access to add/remove miners as needed.

For the shares, if you gave us 1PH we would definitively get a block at some point, and if nothing changed then you'd get nearly half for having 98%+ of the shares done. The other half would be shares evenly at 1 per person. 1/27 right now.

You'd thus get in the vicinity of 28/54 shares.

TLDR: Last a heard. Half of the reward is divided evenly, the other half is divided on the share count that is being counted at the moment.

there is already a site that probably has all the info..
http://ckpoolmonitor.zachmonroe.com/userhashrate.php

wonder if the site owner will put cksolo pool in there as well. its probably the same api

[kano]

...
wonder if the site owner will put cksolo pool in there as well. its probably the same api

No, the kano.is API is different, since I keep track of a lot more information.

[philipma1957]

Have you got a system that collates the hashes/users/donation properly? do you want to see if I can get someone to make a little website that shows everyones details and calculates a final winning output per person? i think Con has a decent plain text output that could pull info off.

^ this would be awesome and you can use the ckpool pool api-like return data using a list of the miners here. Phil would just need some sort of access to add/remove miners as needed.

For the shares, if you gave us 1PH we would definitively get a block at some point, and if nothing changed then you'd get nearly half for having 98%+ of the shares done. The other half would be shares evenly at 1 per person. 1/27 right now.

You'd thus get in the vicinity of 28/54 shares.

TLDR: Last a heard. Half of the reward is divided evenly, the other half is divided on the share count that is being counted at the moment.

yes  part a 12 coins  1 share per member   ===  1/27  x 12 or .4444 btc  worse case is 1/30 x 12 = .4   

part b    12 coins  based on total hash rate   so the 1 ph fuck it I making us hit a block  would get  say 95% of those 12 coins =  11.4


total for the 1 stick guy  would be        Part A  0.4444  +    part B 0.026 = .4704
total for the 1 stick 1ph guy   would be Part A 0.4444  +    part B 11.4   = 11.8444

what is nice you the member can be the 1 stick guy  or the  whale or something in between.

 I think this is  a unique idea.


Tracking part A is easier then part B

Tracking part B is not easy  and help could be used. 


A simple website  that shows this:


member name
stick   total     shares
grand total     shares

pool total shares


updates 4-24 times a day



This would help as I would not have to post here manually  1 or 2 times a day .


Simple rules  for part A miss 24 hours of hash you are not getting a piece of part A coins
Simple rule for Part B  your hash shares stay for the 30 day run.  Stopping hashing cost you by dilution only.


We only need 4-24 updates a day,  since  Part A needs you to mine a stick  and I can tell if someone is trying to game system by turning stick on and off.

A running total of stick and donation  that auto updates more then 4-24 x a day(say every 10 minutes)

 is better  as it would be next to impossible to game the system with 1 lone stick

After the 30 day/1 month   run everything resets to zero.

Active miners can renew for the next run.

[philipma1957]

If you look at bitminters full stat page something like this .   ( I will remove image if the pool op wants me to)



you need a user list

and 2 share totals for the user

sticks total

total hash total

[Jake36]

A rental of ~1.05TH for 60 hrs and pointed at

http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.Jake36donation

Also added a U3 onto it for the rest of the run.

[philipma1957]

A rental of ~1.05TH for 60 hrs and pointed at

http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.Jake36donation

Also added a U3 onto it for the rest of the run.

Nice thanks

[philipma1957]

team totals

http://solo.ckpool.org/users/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX

455,201,852 --------------------492,148,006--------------------- 628,319,171 ------------753,716,574/ 964718590




___________________________Oct 10 2015 shares ------------------Oct 11 2015 starting sharepoint


1)   philipma1957donation  ------      216,497,545 ---------------------237,028,874-------------- 362,515,894/425771515
1A) philipma1957sticks  -----------      28,820,507---------------------  33,155,243 --------------  44,950,747/56639585
1B) philipma1957s7   --------------             0 -------------------------- 0  -------------------------

2)   edonkeystick  ------------              1,880,786 --------------------- 2,169,578------------------   2,910,266/3635258

3)  VirosaGITSdonation  ----------       14,999,338 -------------------- 17,273,170----------------    23,375,103/29427240
3A) VirosaGITSstick  ----------------      1,031,328 --------------------  1,185,552----------------     1,602,135/1981980

4) notlist3dstick    -------------               4,360,747  ------------------  4,686,183 ----------------    6,897,944/8258360

5)   larry12stick  ----------------                   0   ------------------------ 0  ------------------------            0    never mined this run
5A) larry12s5donation    -------                   0 -------------------------- 0 -------------------------           0     "           "       "    "

6)   vapourminerstick -------------            1,098,278-------------------1,262,436 ----------------      1,705,599/2145441

7)   fullzerostick -------------------            1,221,251 ------------------ 1,414,803 ----------------      1,878,893 / 2286647

8 )  Jake36stick  -------------------             4,748,027 ----------------- 5,979,026  ---------------      9,296,307 / 12604047
8a) Jake36donation ------------------------------- 0-------------------------------------------------------------0---- / 4889692

9)   TheRealStevestick -----------------------  674,480 ------------------ 779,696 -----------------      831,528 -----------Stick is offline
        
10)  alienesbstick  -------------------------     3,405,847------------------ 3,902,390 -------------        5,267,418 / 6576651

11)  Chris_Sabianstick ---------------          1,000,798 ------------------ 1,141,844 -------------           1,520,194 / 1882264

12) ecnadstick -------------------------------  5,336,815------------------  6,032,478-----------------      7,983,065 / 9840890
12a)ecnaddonate --------------------------- 48,234,563  ----------------  54,665,536------------------    72,699,637 / 92090789

13)   bmoscatosticks ------------------------  7,070,002 ------------------  8,037,748-----------------   10,830,546 / 13664946

14)   mikestangstick -------------------------  2,417,366 ------------------ 2,754,412-------------------  3,692,218 / 4618301
14A) mikestangdonation -------------------------0------------------------------0-----------------------  396,793 / 1554359




15)   baktegonStick -------------------------- 2,565,508  ------------------ 2,975,069----------------  4,165,917 / 5361894

16)   slimepuppysticks -----------------------  186,539 -------------------- 186,539-----------------  186,539---------- offline entire run
16A) slimepuppydonation -------------------- 15,971,720 ----------------- 15,971,720---------   15,971,720----------   "        "          "


17)   peptostick  ------------------------------    3,033,068 ---------------- 3,413,069 ----------            4,480,646 / 5555762

18)   kipper01  ---------------------------------- 1,168,831 ---------------- 1,329,689------------        1,804,529 / 4488476
18a) kipper01doation---------------------------0-----------------------------0 ---------------------       41,068,845 / 89719845

19)   valkirstick ---------------------------------  1,560,973 ---------------- 1,801,547-----------       2,491,308 / 3191205
19A) valkirdonation ----------------------------   2,922,286 ---------------- 0 -------------------        3,044,138 /  3044138


20)   sidehackdonatedstick --------------------  1,489,204 ----------------- 1,776,664-----------       2,609,986 / 3426136  


21) sloopystick ---------------------------------  5,746,473 -----------------  6,587,858--------------8,917,313 / 10841452
21a) sloopydonation ----------------------------   0-------------------------------0------------------------195258 / 763854

22) aarons6 ------------------------------------ 49,192,600 -----------------  54,201,712-----------73,814,960 / 92677828
22a) arons6stick ------------------------------- 0 ----------------------------   179,254------------790,597 / 982513 replaced with correct name
22aa) arrons6stick-------------------------------0--------------------------------0 ------------------0 /  124978

23)HerbPeanStick ------------------------------ 804,574 ---------------------  904,078-------------1,210,990 / 1505150
23a)HerbPeanDontation--------------------------    0  -------------------------    0 ------------------- 3,072 / 3072


24) therocks36Stick ---------------------------- 742,541 --------------------- 845,294---------------1,142,941/ 1436584

25) FinksySticks  -------------------------------    1,324,946 ----------------- 1,542,607-------------2,147,814 / 2691522

26) alh ------------------------------------------    7,465,034 -----------------7,809,466----------------8,768,578 / 9721858

27) Meech---------------------------------------      6,582,638----------------- 7,557,395----------------10,423,811 / 13231550

28) toptek---------------------------------------0------------------------------------1000----------------8,861,083 / 16434231
28a) toptekstick---------------------------------0------------------------------------ 0-------------------216,071 / 373061 -------stick is off line

29)cryptoglancestick ------------------------------0----------------------------------------------------1033115



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