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October 12, 2015, 12:04:06 AM
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Actually I've had those thoughts with Bitcoin for a better world around two weeks ago. Thats why I agreed so quickly. Sloopy is absolutely right about that, there are a lot of people out there (middle and south america, north korean, africa ...) who really could use bitcoins for a better living and that we have to stick together.

Woot, isnt this the reason why people get into bitcoin? Cmon guys, the get rich train is gone! ^^ (Not really, but hey)

This is a little off-topic, but I really want to recommend these video's for informational purposes:

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/bitcoindoc/109974663 - The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin.
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/bitcoin/133011651 - The end of money as we know it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrRXP1tp6Kw - Propaganda, but this is really what btc is all about.

And while I'm at it I want to recommend these videos by Hans Rosling, a swedish professor who really knows his shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ks064fU7_M - "Don't panic", he talks about population growth, and how the world has changed. If you watch this 1 hour video, I promise, you will learn something new, and your world view will change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm5xF-UYgdg - How not to be ignorant about the world.

Rosling's videos are not Bitcoin related, but it helps you understand the world, and might give you a few ideas how bitcoin could be used in the future.
2,000,000,000 people n this world are un-banked, meaning they don't have access to a bank/financial system, with all the possibilities that provides. Many of them however have access to smartphones, which enables banking thru Bitcoin. Think about it.

If you really want to understand how being denied access to financial services affects people, you should watch this as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmQujWTMuC8

And finally, if you want to enable people to succeed, you should check out btcjam.com, a peer-to-peer lending platform. Success story: http://blog.btcjam.com/2014/12/03/borrower-story-mombasa-kenya/
Warning: Be prepared to lose your money if you lend them to people on btcjam, there are a lot of scammy people.

 
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October 12, 2015, 03:41:28 AM
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+1 sloopy

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October 12, 2015, 09:50:19 AM
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On units that they missed their (VERY LAX) shipping target date, they should at least offer a refund down to the Batch 2/3 level pricing, or the option to cancel your order for a FULL refund.

 Their "give you hashrate" offer is a joke, given their HIGH charge for electric they will be taking out of that "offer" - I dount there are very many folks with 8c/KWH or higher electric cost that bought S7s.


 Makes me VERY happy I decided to ignore the S7.

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October 12, 2015, 07:13:06 PM
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There was a time Bitmain had competition and their service was a little more considerate.
But now they are the only company you can buy a miner from that MAY make a profit.
They essentially have a monopoly when it comes to small miners like ourselves.  There is no where else to go if we are unhappy and they know it.
So don't expect them to go out of their way to "do what is right."
Just know when you buy something from them that if a benefit is not explicitly in writing, it won't happen.
Cry about it all you want.  But they have no incentive to work hard for our good will.  Buyer beware.

"Don't expect them to go out of their way to "do what is right"
Unfortunately, I have to agree. We cannot expect bitmain to do what is right.

Now if you are referring to me about crying about it, you are mistaking me stating my involved opinion for crying. I very much have a right to be pissed off at this company for their actions that we agree are wrong. I am personally impacted by their inability to work hard for good will and I plan to continue to call them out at every turn. I have every intention of placing a spotlight on this and I also have every right to do so. I ordered a miner in batch 1 and am a victim of their lack of doing the right thing. I plan to make sure this is discussed on a larger scale than what we have here.

I previously did expect them to do right. It is stupid to think there will not be competition again, because there will be another SPtech. There are other companies in the mining game who will take a leap at selling miners to the public.

We will see how far this lack of incentive to work hard for our good will gets companies when there is competition again. I have no doubt there will always be people who overlook, defend, and say whatever in these situations, they haven't lost anything, what do they care. I care even if I haven't been ripped off. I care because I would like to see something succesful happen here. IF this was about making a profit I wouldn't have bought the miners I have, and certainly wouldn't have purchased the S7, this is about being treated correctly and seeing my fellow community members, and this experiment in currency growing into something formidable. This ecosystem needs to be powered by people and companies who are less selfish and are part of the community, not leaching from it. We need partners in this effort, not companies where we are unable to expect them to make the right choices for themselves as a proper business.

We should have higher expectations of these companies, and especially bitmain.

For the gentleman calling this "nerd stuff", I respectfully disagree. This "nerd stuff" has the potential to be life changing for some extremely poor people around the world. I think many people fail to see how these decisions by bitmain are not only a lack of good will, but a sheer lack of even them caring about their own business, and not caring how they are portrayed in the media. This gives the media yet another example of how the bitcoin community is nothing but a bunch off druggies, scam artists, and rip offs. This shows them how we support such. How are people supposed to feel their money is safe in bitcoin when the only company where you can purchase the very thing that secures the network, well, that company doesn't care much about that, they have no concern about doing what is right, and what they do care about is instant gratification, among other things which certainly have little to do with customer service and reputation.

No one is saying this is a good thing, but we can have in-fighting regarding the severity of how bad it is. That in itself is confusing and speaks volumes to the outside world looking in.

Maybe more people could spend a minute thinking of why they are involved with bitcoin. I apologize, because I thought most of us are here to take part in making something better. Normally in my life that is the reason I take part in a project, to make it a better overall experience for all of us who care and want to possibly experience something which has the power to change our current way of thinking about currency. It all starts and ends with the small building blocks along the way.

I believe we have seen very few people who are happy with the few S7s which have shipped. Finally bitmain have admitted the issue publicly, but the plan to resolve it, and how they intend to complete the sale is not what I agreed to when I sent my money. If someone thinks I am unreasonable in my expectations, I think they should evaluate theirs.
I do expect to receive what I paid for without resorting to fine print being twisted and if that is the world some of you wish to live in then keep making those choices, and keep allowing that for yourself, but do not tell me I am wrong for expecting to be treated as any paying customer should be.

This is another building block for bitcoin, and if we want a successful bitcoin environment we must not only ask for it, but fight for it. Accepting it is now the status quo to be taken advantage of is not on my agenda, but I respect anyone else's right to be happy with low expectations. If you are happy with such, you have an S7 miner on order, and do not think there is anything to be done, hey that is your right. I will defend your right to be happy with such, but please respect my right to be extremely unhappy. Call it crying if you want, I call it reasonable dialog regarding something which could be a stepping stone in a life changing protocol. I hope you respect my right to voice concerns when my mining peers are treated as though they are nothing and do not matter.



Not referring to anyone "crying" in particular. 
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October 16, 2015, 12:00:45 PM
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I HAVE THE SAME SITUATION.

Yesterday Bitman reply me a email saying that week will be shipped but today continue Batch 1 UNSHIPPED.

How i can reclaim hasnnest fee that they say will offer for delay?

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anybody got a support contact at bitmain.

my s7 batch 1 order was placed 2015-09-16 20:16:08 and website shows it still as un-shipped.

i am very disappointed at this purchase, looks like I'm getting batch 3 units at batch 1 prices. this looks like my 1st and last order from bitmain.

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October 17, 2015, 03:52:19 AM
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How i can reclaim hasnnest fee that they say will offer for delay?

By waiting for more information. This is something they'll sort out much after.

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October 17, 2015, 05:02:28 AM
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What bothers me about the compensation plan they have in place is that at the end of the day, they have clearly encountered a road bump as orders did not ship out in time.  But the compensation plan that is in place (with the full market rate of $0.098/kWh for "hosting") costs them essentially nothing out of pocket.  It's the same earnings that we would have been had if we had bought S7's through Hashnest (in fact less, because most people pre-ordered the S7's well before they were available in cloud mining).

When my company fucks up, our compensation costs us something in order for the customer to receive some kind of benefit.  With their compensation in place, most of the customers that have delays are losing money due to their cheaper electricity costs, meaning it's not actual compensation, it's throwing scraps to prevent a riot.

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October 29, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
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What bothers me about the compensation plan they have in place
are there any news about this compensation plan? i hear nothing from bitmain, miner that i
ordered 04.09.2015 arrived at 20.10.2015
i was in hope to become a coupon or something, but nothing visible in account.
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October 29, 2015, 09:07:31 PM
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to many bitmain fanboys here, i give up.
my point is, this strategy is not fair and i am angry about there compensation, im done with this

the key is "i am done with this"

A) use ebay
B) pay with paypal

Buy from a private seller on a resale.

Here is the deal on bitmaintech 90% of the time they are pretty good.

they other 10% they are not.

I ordered my batch ones on day one hour one I did great with them.

I played around tried to out guess them on batch 2 I got fucked a coin.

I could have purchased 3 from batch 1 on day one that is my bad.

They could have been fair about batch 2 that is their bad.

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October 29, 2015, 10:06:21 PM
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to many bitmain fanboys here, i give up.
my point is, this strategy is not fair and i am angry about there compensation, im done with this
the key is "i am done with this"
A) use ebay
B) pay with paypal
point one: i am done to discuss with this fanboys, and done with bitmain, i sold the s7 as fast as i can
point two: i dont know what your answer have to do with my question?
my question was:
are there any news about this compensation plan? i hear nothing from bitmain, miner that i
ordered 04.09.2015 arrived at 20.10.2015
i was in hope to become a coupon or something, but nothing visible in account.

i know you are a bitmain-miner fan and thats ok, i sold my s7 yesterday and be happy to become back
what i payed.
i come back to see, bitmain post this lovely plan 18days before and there is nothing new.
maybe i cant find it, but maybe you have more information like me, i think you have the better
rapport to bitmain

PS: it was A) Ebay
PSS: i learned my lession and will never buy a Batch1
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October 29, 2015, 11:40:48 PM
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Not referring to anyone "crying" in particular. 


I didn't want to quote my who bit of ragamaro, and thanks for the kind words to the positive comments.

Swimmer63, I think most frustrations are directed at Bitmain, or, meant towards Bitmain but directed towards each other. I don't think most people will argue Bitmain can come through with a good product from time to time. The S7 is available, and has a top efficiency claim among us, and I imagine a whole bunch more people who never say peep.

I apologize if I generalized you with something I said, I did not mean it towards any individual as much as I meant these things to everyone. Some people may fall in those categories, well some people DO fall in those categories but I don't know that matters as much as no one argues Bitmain has at times had both good and bad support issues, but there are particular things people feel like they are being taken advantage of because it is the only choice.
My S7s are running great, but personally I've had tough experiences getting there, and with most other products. There are good and bad. I enjoy hearing good posts, about things going well, but there are negative ones.

Maybe we will see some choice before first quarter 2016, but will the halving scare people or will people mine as hard as they can all the way to the halving line and through it to see what happens?

Transaction fees go to the pools and the pools decide to pay them to the miners. Anything else, including off-chain solutions are stealing and not the way Bitcoin was intended to function.
Make the block size set by the pool. Pool = miners and they get the choice.
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