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October 12, 2015, 05:11:05 AM |
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What does qualify as a "My Wallet Bitcoin Users"? Because i doubt there's 4.5m users on blockchain.info. Maybe 4.5m privkey? And i'm not sure about BTC growth and i don't think anyone is. We could be looking at BTC being at 1k or 10k or 1$ in 20 years. So exponential up until a cap is possible, but there's no telling either way i'd say.
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October 12, 2015, 05:33:58 AM |
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Yes bitcoin growth is on raising exponential over time as expected. Price will follow the user base later on. 4.5 millions wallets must belong to at least 2 Million users. That's not a small number to leave off. The nearing halving will do some magic on bitcoin user base as well as bitcoin prices.
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October 12, 2015, 06:15:48 AM |
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AFAIK my wallet users is the amount of wallets created on BlockChain (the company, not the actual blockchain).
I don't know about 2M users, who knows. There are estimates of 10 wallets for every person, but that was also guesstimates.
The interesting part is the following: if you are trying to track your weight and you get a new scale you do not expect to see the same weight. What you can track however is relative change and fluctuations and that is what is important here. In my view how many people there are with wallets does not interest me as much as what I perceive to be, the first proper hints of exponential growth. We may have had exponential growth before but it was with far less users and the changes were far more sudden.
Why would the halving affect user base and price? Price I would have thought yes, but the last time if I recall correctly it did not make much of a difference.
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October 12, 2015, 06:26:34 AM |
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Also of interest:
About 2M wallets August 2014 4M wallets August 2015
So it doubled in 1 year. For it to double again we need 8M wallets in Aug 2016, seemingly not impossible because at the moment we look at 1M new wallets every 4 months. Coupled with some slight exponential growth I would say we are on track easily for 8M wallets August 2016.
16M Aug 2017 32M Aug 2018 64M Aug 2019 128M Aug 2020 256M Aug 2021 512M Aug 2022 1024M Aug 2023 2048M Aug 2024 4096M Aug 2025
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That is of course highly simplified but who knows...it could be even faster because money is such an emotional thing - it may just lead to a situation where the rats run from the ship, although past historical data appears to indicate otherwise.
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October 12, 2015, 06:31:13 AM |
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Also of interest:
About 2M wallets August 2014 4M wallets August 2015
So it doubled in 1 year. For it to double again we need 8M wallets in Aug 2016, seemingly not impossible because at the moment we look at 1M new wallets every 4 months. Coupled with some slight exponential growth I would say we are on track easily for 8M wallets August 2016.
16M Aug 2017 32M Aug 2018 64M Aug 2019 128M Aug 2020 256M Aug 2021 512M Aug 2022 1024M Aug 2023 2048M Aug 2024 4096M Aug 2025
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That is of course highly simplified but who knows...it could be even faster because money is such an emotional thing - it may just lead to a situation where the rats run from the ship, although past historical data appears to indicate otherwise.
Hmm, even if we say 16M = 1.6M unique user, that would still mean the entire world's population by 2030 and honestly something just sound off about this. Even 1.6M unique users does not sound right and the growth until now does not sound right. I/we must be missing something.
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October 12, 2015, 06:34:42 AM |
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i would like to think, that the value increase exponentially too, it could explain why there was not any mojar "update" on the price, it could be x50 every 5 years or something
price and users base should be tied anyway
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October 12, 2015, 06:35:27 AM |
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you mean we are less than 1.6M users right now?
I have no idea. Seen some stats on people trying to calculate and it appeared to be more than 1M users at least at the moment.
Do you think there are less users or more? Not sure what you meant.
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October 12, 2015, 06:36:32 AM |
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Also of interest, 16 August 4M wallets, 12 October 4.5M wallets. 500k in about 57 days. Not bad.
If you don't share the rate of wallet growth for the 57 days preceding 16 August, there's no way for us to know if that 500k in about 57 days is "not bad" or "not good". The real problem is that wallet growth doesn't indicate greater adoption or long term use. It only indicates greater introductions, it doesn't mean that people stay with it or fully adopt it.
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October 12, 2015, 06:36:48 AM |
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Also of interest:
About 2M wallets August 2014 4M wallets August 2015
So it doubled in 1 year. For it to double again we need 8M wallets in Aug 2016, seemingly not impossible because at the moment we look at 1M new wallets every 4 months. Coupled with some slight exponential growth I would say we are on track easily for 8M wallets August 2016.
16M Aug 2017 32M Aug 2018 64M Aug 2019 128M Aug 2020 256M Aug 2021 512M Aug 2022 1024M Aug 2023 2048M Aug 2024 4096M Aug 2025
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That is of course highly simplified but who knows...it could be even faster because money is such an emotional thing - it may just lead to a situation where the rats run from the ship, although past historical data appears to indicate otherwise.
Hmm, even if we say 16M = 1.6M unique user, that would still mean the entire world's population by 2030 and honestly something just sound off about this. Even 1.6M unique users does not sound right and the growth until now does not sound right. I/we must be missing something. It will probably grow in an s-shaped curve. Slow at the start, once momentum is gained, we go up very fast, but as we reach adoptation, the amount of new users starts to slow again reaching an asymptote.
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October 12, 2015, 06:37:22 AM |
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i would like to think, that the value increase exponentially too, it could explain why there was not any mojar "update" on the price, it could be x50 every 5 years or something
price and users base should be tied anyway
Price is speculation in anticipation for what is to come...so after many years hoping myself I have also jumped on the wagon of usage and technology is key. I am far more interested in how many users there are, price is just a function of that really. Facebook with 1M users, pretty useless FB with 10m users, a bit useful FB with 100M users, pretty useful FB with 1B users....you know the answer Network effect indeed is key here.
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October 12, 2015, 06:39:58 AM |
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Also of interest, 16 August 4M wallets, 12 October 4.5M wallets. 500k in about 57 days. Not bad.
If you don't share the rate of wallet growth for the 57 days preceding 16 August, there's no way for us to know if that 500k in about 57 days is "not bad" or "not good". The real problem is that wallet growth doesn't indicate greater adoption or long term use. It only indicates greater introductions, it doesn't mean that people stay with it or fully adopt it. Good points. Preceding 57 days were about 390 000, vs 500 000 for last 57 days. I share your sentiment but only partially - it still seems to indicate increased interest and use, although I cannot take away from your argument - long term use is king here.
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October 12, 2015, 10:23:10 AM |
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I`m waiting for coindesks Q3 report: http://www.coindesk.com/research/I dont think its exponential, but it sure double/triples in a half year period, i dont know how faster it will grow later on, but definitely the next year will be exciting after the halving. I can see bitcoin at 5000$ by then easily.
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October 12, 2015, 10:41:18 AM |
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That's not a small number to leave off. The nearing halving will do some magic on bitcoin user base as well as bitcoin prices.
ofc that's a pretty good numbers and about the halving expect a lot and i'm talking not only about that he price will grow up, im talking about a faster adoption because more and more news will be out there so people will spread the word faster. so Is Bitcoin growth going exponential? maybe not, but is growing pretty well ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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October 12, 2015, 10:49:23 AM |
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Blockchain My Wallet is a horrible indicator of actual users of Bitcoin as it is not tied at all to identity and allows multiple accounts. I'd rather use verified Coinbase users as an indicator and work up than Blockchain users and work down.
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October 12, 2015, 11:45:02 AM |
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i would like to think, that the value increase exponentially too, it could explain why there was not any mojar "update" on the price, it could be x50 every 5 years or something
price and users base should be tied anyway
Price is speculation in anticipation for what is to come...so after many years hoping myself I have also jumped on the wagon of usage and technology is key. I am far more interested in how many users there are, price is just a function of that really. Facebook with 1M users, pretty useless FB with 10m users, a bit useful FB with 100M users, pretty useful FB with 1B users....you know the answer Network effect indeed is key here. yeah but big money in play can help adoption, you see with the 1200 ath people were coming like bees on honey, so their tied in both way, both need the other problem is that you need someone rich to start the race, before the little fish jump in, and increase the users base, which as a result would increase it even more
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October 12, 2015, 12:05:16 PM |
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It might be off-topic, but I have to say it. I can't believe that so many people actually are using blockchain.info wallet. This thing is so buggy and gives such a terrible user experience.
I mean 4.5M wallets, for God's sake that's a lot!
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October 12, 2015, 05:01:31 PM |
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Bitcoin growth will not be exponential, however the "adoption" jumps will appear as exponential price jumps, but this is sure to be compensated in the coming time thus eventually evening out at linear growth. All growth is good growth, but don't get ahead of yourself! ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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October 12, 2015, 05:06:40 PM |
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If it ever did have an exponential phase we'd sure as shit know it.
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October 12, 2015, 05:21:07 PM |
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Look at all the blockchain.info wallet charts, it is textbook linear growth for all charts but the "all time" chart. So even if you assume growth of blockchain wallet users is an approximate to bitcoin growth, it isn't exponential. I think the exponential phase is not here yet. There will be signs of the arrival when you hear strangers on the streets start talking about bitcoin and when your friends start asking for your bitcoin address to pay you back for the lunch. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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