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October 16, 2015, 12:38:02 AM
Last edit: January 09, 2016, 01:58:46 PM by tokeweed
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Update  January 8, 2016:

DOGE mucho breakout.








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Update  January 2, 2016:

Monero going for a breakout out of its range.









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Update December 29, 2015:



Bottom hit?  Watch NXT.  There's no breakout as of now, but t's good to put in your watchlist.










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Update November 24, 2015:  Get ready folks.  Bitcoin looks like it might go sub 300 again.  I could be wrong, but it's a good time to get ready and know what to do in case that happens.  

Some alts could see some spikes in the process.  Good luck.

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Bitcoin is breaking out.  Could this be it?  I don't know, but it's worth letting go some of your altcoins and trade them for BTC.

Let's see where this goes.


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Starting November 1st, it's time to let go of your altcoins and exchange them for BARR - Burning Altcoins for Redemption and Reduction.

BARR is traded on the NXT Asset Exchange, and it is the first coin to use Multi-Proof-of-Burn. 

We believe that there are too many weak altcoins on the market, so we intend to get rid of them.  We will target an altcoin for burn redemption, and we will attempt to burn so much of its supply that it cannot continue to be traded on exchanges.  We will absorb each coin's users as they redeem their illiquid coins for BARR, adding value to BARR with each round of burn redemption, and using the exchange rate as the variable difficulty for a curve of emission over time similar to PoW block reward halving.

Just as burning bitcoins makes all remaining bitcoins more valuable, burning entire altcoin networks will make all remaining cryptocurrencies more valuable.

If a coin is able to survive our burn period, then it will emerge stronger than before due to its newly-reduced supply, and we have still accomplished our goal of eliminating weak coins. 

The first burn period is November 1 to November 30, and the coins offered for burn redemption are Fractalcoin, Keycoin, and Sapience. 

Please visit barr.me for more details.

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^ Does it pay in Bitcoins?

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October 16, 2015, 03:54:51 AM
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^ Does it pay in Bitcoins?


It doesn't pay dividends.  It acts as a standard cryptocurrency, having value in part because of the expense required to generate coins, and also gaining value as the difficulty rises and as the supply is spread to more people through increased adoption.

But NXT is cheap now, so you can burn your altcoins for BARR, sell them for NXT, wait for NXT to go up a little, and then sell NXT for BTC, with plenty of time left before next year's block halving and hopeful moonride to the Bitcoin lunar palace.

Or you can probably bypass the burn and redemption process - we will attempt to maintain buywalls for all accepted coins during the burn period, so that people who want to dump can dump to us on Cryptsy or Polo, and we'll burn those coins ourselves.  Then they don't have to go to the trouble of exchanging for BARR and then dumping that.

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October 16, 2015, 04:04:39 AM
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Alts are fun to play with and invest little amounts into. I think you would be crazy to not mainly hold BTC to begin with, though. I would never even consider having more than 5% of my crypto holdings in any alt besides maybe LTC.
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October 16, 2015, 07:39:13 AM
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You mean Monero.     Wink 
 
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October 16, 2015, 09:35:24 AM
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Why sell alts for BTC when they're already priced in BTC? All else being equal any gains you make on BTC are already included.
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October 16, 2015, 09:58:00 AM
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having value in part because of the expense required to generate coins, and also gaining value as the difficulty rises and as the supply is spread to more people through increased adoption.

Being expensive to produce doesn't give something value; this is only half of the value equation - you need demand to give something value, without that, it's worthless no matter how much it cost to produce.
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Why sell alts for BTC when they're already priced in BTC? All else being equal any gains you make on BTC are already included.

If Bitcoin went from $250 to $10,000 tomorrow, would you keep your alts or sell all of them for BTC.

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October 16, 2015, 01:08:52 PM
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Why sell alts for BTC when they're already priced in BTC? All else being equal any gains you make on BTC are already included.

If Bitcoin went from $250 to $10,000 tomorrow, would you keep your alts or sell all of them for BTC.

i'm sure 99% will sell alts -> btc -> fiat and cash out to never look back. simply because most was dragged in crypto for the "get rich quick" dream.
and based on this simple fact (cashing out and gtfo), it's impossible that bitcoin raise that much in value.
simply by suggesting a $250 to $10k (lol) sustains the downward spiral mentality.
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October 16, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
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btc went up because dollar got weaker, not because btc got stronger. Other currencies against the dollar went up aswell, so its not just btc.
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October 16, 2015, 03:37:25 PM
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Why sell alts for BTC when they're already priced in BTC? All else being equal any gains you make on BTC are already included.

If Bitcoin went from $250 to $10,000 tomorrow, would you keep your alts or sell all of them for BTC.

Would you keep your BTC or sell it for fiat :p

Anyway the last Bitcoin bubble was also a boom for alts, the fact is there is alot of people who missed the BTC train or like to gamble with their wealth and alts are a large secondary market for those hoping to make big money. The good thing is with alot less shitcoins now being pumped out, the good alts should hopefully rise WITH the next Bitcoin bubble.
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October 16, 2015, 03:44:08 PM
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btc went up because dollar got weaker, not because btc got stronger. Other currencies against the dollar went up aswell, so its not just btc.

This is may be a very small part of the reason, but not even close to explaining the recent price increase. BTC is up 10-20% in the last month. The USD/EUR or GBP or yuan hasn't changed nearly that much, and also, BTC is up versus those currencies as well, by approximately the same amount, 10-20%.
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October 16, 2015, 04:06:49 PM
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btc went up because dollar got weaker, not because btc got stronger. Other currencies against the dollar went up aswell, so its not just btc.

Sure.  But that's not the important bit.  What you should be asking yourself is what are you gonna do about it?

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October 16, 2015, 04:37:51 PM
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Why sell alts for BTC when they're already priced in BTC? All else being equal any gains you make on BTC are already included.

If Bitcoin went from $250 to $10,000 tomorrow, would you keep your alts or sell all of them for BTC.

I see what you're saying. Last time though alts did really well so even with increased sell pressure from people wanting to cash some alts in to BTC to sell for fiat, the amount of new money coming in to BTC in an event like that can lead some people in to leveraging their positions by getting in to alts.
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October 17, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
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having value in part because of the expense required to generate coins, and also gaining value as the difficulty rises and as the supply is spread to more people through increased adoption.

Being expensive to produce doesn't give something value; this is only half of the value equation - you need demand to give something value, without that, it's worthless no matter how much it cost to produce.


We're exchanging BARR for altcoins that already don't have much demand, but we're also serving a purpose for the crypto community to strengthen the overall markets.  So there will be additional demand for BARR because buying BARR helps to destroy altcoins.

But demand isn't linear;  if we absorb 100 altcoins which each had an average of 10 active users, we will have gained up to 1000 active users of BARR.  But 1000 users of one coin will create a much higher demand than the combined demand for 100 separate coins. 

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Bitcoin is breaking out.  Could this be it?  I don't know, but it's worth letting go some of your altcoins and trade them for BTC.

Let's see where this goes.

Jeez...and here I was, hoping that the big BTC would stay sub-$240 so I could snap up some more 'round Halloween to - buy more altcoins.

For the gen-2 cryptos, it's been a hellish market. Nxt has been pummeled to below 2700 satoshis, Bitshares has been whacked to below 1500 (!) and HZ keeps getting whomped back to the 30s when it picks up some traction.

Etherium is on a long slide downhill - which I actually expected (damn, that would have been a great short!) BURST just put in a rally (?) by jumping to 19 (!!) 

Factom is trading below its ICO price. The once legendary/notorious Blackcoin is now below 10,000 satoshis. GEMZ is languishing below 6000, only a little bit above its best early-bird ICO price of 5000, and Monero is below 0.0016. Heck, even the mighty DOGE is down to 43. There are some gainers, but they're few and far between. As a result of its questionable but popular pump in June/July, Litecoin is languishing but well in its normal historical range: it's almost at 0.0115.

I tell ya, bear markets are really humbling. There I was ~ two months ago, convinced that the altcoin bear market was over. As is classically the case, I caught the falling knife. To think at the end of January of last year, I was convinced - with my own bread - that Nxt was a good buy at a dime per. Now, it's less than 3/4 of a cent per. I remember blithely assuring people that Nxt at below 5000 satoshis was a good buy. Now, it's hit a low that it hasn't seen since December 16th, 2013: three weeks after it went live.

With all that carnage, though, I haven't lost hope. What we're seeing is classic post-bubble action: an imploded bubble "poisons" the entire sector for a long time. Those of us who got in at the top of the bubble are like those who got into real estate in '06 only to see their magical beans wilt in the increasingly dry and fallow ground. All I can say is, I'm damn glad that this market is essentially a cash-only market (at least, it has been until very recently.) There've been lots of ways to go broke, but there haven't been any ways to go bankrupt. Not unless you brought in fiat that you borrowed from the fiat world...

Times like this are a grueling quasi-Darwinian process that get rid of the get-rich-quick crowd except for the ones who get toughened into real cryptocurreny believers. From this vantage point, the altcoin movement is much smaller but also stronger. The ones who get through this dark post-bubble phase will be in it for the distance.

If it's a help - and I know I'm reasoning by analogy here - there's an old rule of thumb in the gold-stock market that makes for a buck-up in these toughening times. Here it is: when gold itself recovers, the first gold stocks to spurt up are the senior producers: the ones that produce a lot of gold, are in the major gold-stock indices, pay dividends at least semi-regularly, and so on. The others languish.

But as gold continues to recover, and the seniors have barreled up from depressed levels to more-or-less normal levels, the next ones to rally are the junior producers: the smaller companies that don't have the recognition from membership in the indices but do have producing mines and real revenues. The exploration companies still languish. The ones who announce great sampling results (typically from drilled rock tubes - "core" - from an area that the geologists consider to be viable pay rock), results good enough to make the punters go manic in good times, release those results and the market yawns.

Until...sentiment turns, in a process so subtle it might as well be chalked up to the Fates. One exploration company releases a spectacular result that, instead of inducing yawns, makes the punters go bonkers. It's at this sweet spot when those legendary legends about huge gainers are oft-born.

We're not at this point yet. To the extent that the gold-exploration analogy is valid, we might (!) be in the stage where "gold" - the big BTC - is recovering but the "stocks" haven't. Certainly not the "exploration stocks." Right now, to shift the analogy back to real estate, we're like residential-real-estate speculators as of 2010. The market is still frowned on and still has a taint. What remains of the bubble is still slowly imploding despite pockets of hope here and there. The bear keeps gnawing.

The only advantage in these times comes with staying the distance and toughening up. To continue with the real-estate analogy, the long stretch of "no-hope" gives us time to learn how to "renovate" - i.e., grow the ecosystem over a long-term basis. When you've been gnawed at to the point where a promise of a quick gain only makes you laugh bitterly, the perceived opportunity cost of long-term action is far less than in the boom-town times. In times like these, there's no point in squirreling around for the Next Big Fad. We can think long-term again.

I can't think of a better example in the gen-2 world than the dev team & fan base of Qora. Even though it's languishing at 10, the Qora folks are keeping the faith and adding new features to it. Right now the tie between features and mainstreamy benefits are obscure - as is the case with almost all altcoins - but they're still keeping the faith and doughtily working away. I don't own any QORA, but I'd like to. 

Damn...I really hope that Bitcoin's recent jump proves to be yet another sucker rally...I need to buy more in a couplea weeks. (sigh)   






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October 17, 2015, 02:22:50 PM
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Starting November 1st, it's time to let go of your altcoins and exchange them for BARR - Burning Altcoins for Redemption and Reduction.

BARR is traded on the NXT Asset Exchange, and it is the first coin to use Multi-Proof-of-Burn. 

We believe that there are too many weak altcoins on the market, so we intend to get rid of them.  We will target an altcoin for burn redemption, and we will attempt to burn so much of its supply that it cannot continue to be traded on exchanges.  We will absorb each coin's users as they redeem their illiquid coins for BARR, adding value to BARR with each round of burn redemption, and using the exchange rate as the variable difficulty for a curve of emission over time similar to PoW block reward halving.

Just as burning bitcoins makes all remaining bitcoins more valuable, burning entire altcoin networks will make all remaining cryptocurrencies more valuable.

If a coin is able to survive our burn period, then it will emerge stronger than before due to its newly-reduced supply, and we have still accomplished our goal of eliminating weak coins. 

The first burn period is November 1 to November 30, and the coins offered for burn redemption are Fractalcoin, Keycoin, and Sapience. 

Please visit barr.me for more details.

Wow...you're doing what NEXUS (originally CoinShield) set out to do more than a year ago, only you're up and running. I'll tell y'all one thing: burning wrecked alts through the Nxt AE does save ya from more than a year of tough programming work.  Cheesy






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