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November 06, 2015, 09:22:25 AM
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i usually play without thinking too much about the whole game what to do and how to play i just hope that i will be lucky and have better cards than opponents

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November 07, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
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i usually play without thinking too much about the whole game what to do and how to play i just hope that i will be lucky and have better cards than opponents

In doing that, you might win in a pure luck game such as dice. Brain power has to be used to win poker or blackjack game. The late two games are played against other players.
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November 07, 2015, 03:51:38 PM
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If the opponent is a confirm bluffer I will call If I feel I have better cards than him.

How are you going to confirm that your opponent is bluff or not? You are making some speculation right?
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November 08, 2015, 01:32:55 AM
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i usually play without thinking too much about the whole game what to do and how to play i just hope that i will be lucky and have better cards than opponents

In doing that, you might win in a pure luck game such as dice. Brain power has to be used to win poker or blackjack game. The late two games are played against other players.

That's true in gambling every one thinks that they are very smart and they can fool others but at the end luck is very smart and luck will win all the bets. If your are lucky on a given day then surely you will win gambling otherwise you will sure lose even you go with full of calculations. No calculations will work in gambling just pure luck will win.
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November 08, 2015, 11:34:24 AM
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If the opponent is a confirm bluffer I will call If I feel I have better cards than him.

How are you going to confirm that your opponent is bluff or not? You are making some speculation right?

Well you should be watching the way your opponents play and and study their betting pattern. If you play online and have a software like holdem manager, you life gets a lot easier. You should also study their range of hands, to see if they are loose players and play many hands or if they are tight.

You can't really tell if a player is bluffing or not, that is movie stuff in my opinion, but when you combine all the that data, betting pattern, style of play etc, you can use that to make better decisions. You will still be caught in a bluff of course, but your winning chances will improve, and you could also improve the correct timing/opportunity to make your own bluff against your opponent.

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November 08, 2015, 01:21:21 PM
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If the opponent is a confirm bluffer I will call If I feel I have better cards than him.

How are you going to confirm that your opponent is bluff or not? You are making some speculation right?

Well you should be watching the way your opponents play and and study their betting pattern. If you play online and have a software like holdem manager, you life gets a lot easier. You should also study their range of hands, to see if they are loose players and play many hands or if they are tight.

You can't really tell if a player is bluffing or not, that is movie stuff in my opinion, but when you combine all the that data, betting pattern, style of play etc, you can use that to make better decisions. You will still be caught in a bluff of course, but your winning chances will improve, and you could also improve the correct timing/opportunity to make your own bluff against your opponent.

But that is not always perfect, you will not get this if you miss a little thing here. And there is a lot of player there I dont think you will investigate every people by looking at their playing. And you will not have enough time to calculate everything just in short of time
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November 15, 2015, 05:21:07 AM
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Bottom line is it is gambling still.  Even if you make all the right calculations before calling or folding there is always a chance you can end up losing everything
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November 15, 2015, 05:39:55 AM
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you need it if u wanna get profits in the long term, the winning probability is bigger than the percentage of your investment on pot, you should call, otherwise fold is better, sometimes we can call if our opponents are bluffers, easy to catch their bluffs and then make big money on them.
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November 15, 2015, 05:43:56 AM
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its all about your gut feeling.  Wink
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November 15, 2015, 06:14:36 AM
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its all about your gut feeling.  Wink

In many cases yes, but sometimes u need to play with your head. Observing players and cards, try to guess style of your opponents. There is patterns for everyone, good players hide it better u need to try more. I`m repeatin myself often but u need to find your own style, and its best to mix things, cause when u are predictable u are easy catch for someone. When u are not u have advantage and u just need to use it smart. Good luck in poker, sure u will need it.

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November 15, 2015, 10:39:20 AM
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This is part of poker to take in your calculation all the possibilities before fold or call and that I do.Poker can not go just on pure luck base because this can make you one or two hands but you can not keep going just blindly.Taking in consideration all aspect make you minimum loss in case you don't have good cards.
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November 15, 2015, 10:40:53 AM
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Bottom line is it is gambling still.  Even if you make all the right calculations before calling or folding there is always a chance you can end up losing everything

when you are doing the right calculation there is no chance that you will end up losing everything , these calculations involve bankroll management , a successful poker player will never end up losing everything cause he should know his limits and the possibility of hitting a big swing
poker is so complicated games , we can't simply consider it as a gambling game without giving details about it
if you are a good player you will never face a losing year , for me I have never had a losing month even after hitting a big swing I recover and make proift at the end of the month , and so many players are facing the same thing  
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December 09, 2015, 12:18:55 AM
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em.. not really usually i just go based on my feeling

but if the opponent raise the bet, i usually do some calculation to guess the cards

but eventhough i used calculation the last decision also based on my feeling


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December 09, 2015, 02:21:13 AM
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em.. not really usually i just go based on my feeling

but if the opponent raise the bet, i usually do some calculation to guess the cards

but eventhough i used calculation the last decision also based on my feeling


I use to trust my instinct too until I lost all my chips, it could work for you though.  Playing online is very much different than the real on but but how often do you win for a number of hero calls?

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December 09, 2015, 02:46:34 AM
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I did everything in accordance with the feeling, if the good feeling I will be all in, but if in doubt I fold.
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December 09, 2015, 03:16:47 AM
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I always know how pot commited I am or how pot commited I will
be if I make a big call. Math is super important, you cant call $50
chasing $10 with only a 15% chance to hit a flush...

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December 09, 2015, 07:41:27 AM
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I just wanted to learn the factors you consider when you are about to decide to Call or Fold.  
Maybe calculating how much you win or lose before deciding, which information do you look from the All-in player?
VP, PFR, STIL, CB and etc..

i think there is two kind of gambler,one of they play with feeling and they ar not have count what they play,and another people play with so many count,like you mentioned above,VP,PFR,STIL and etc. but i'm always use my feeling Grin
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