Refugees Discussion

[bryant.coleman]

maybe if they HAD stepped in when Assad started mowing down civilians with his military the situation would be different.  We'll never know at this point what would have been had this or that been done.

Had the Americans and their allies (especially the Turks, Saudis, Qataris, and the Israelis) refrained from arming the Islamists, this would have been avoided. The Islamists ambushed Syrian policemen and government officials, and massacred them without any provocation. Naturally, this invited a harsh response from Bashar al Assad.

[M4rk3tt0]

Look even Google wants to make some money with the refugees!!!  

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[Pentax]

maybe if they HAD stepped in when Assad started mowing down civilians with his military the situation would be different.  We'll never know at this point what would have been had this or that been done.

Had the Americans and their allies (especially the Turks, Saudis, Qataris, and the Israelis) refrained from arming the Islamists, this would have been avoided. The Islamists ambushed Syrian policemen and government officials, and massacred them without any provocation. Naturally, this invited a harsh response from Bashar al Assad.

maybe.  maybe not. and that is IF the Americans and their allies did as you say.

all we mostly get are versions in the press.  I've seen plenty of versions of how this shit storm started.  most of them have Assad attacking and killing unarmed civilians that wanted him out.  Maybe that's completely true, maybe it isn't.  I'm not naive enough to think that governments of all stripes do not manipulate the press or tinker with the versions to suit themselves and their agendas, so who knows WTF really did happen.

we could kick that ball around forever I imagine, but it derails the thread topic to some extent, which is what to do with these millions now.  that in itself is a complex issue with no clear answer and seemingly no good solution from any angle that I can see.

[bryant.coleman]

all we mostly get are versions in the press.  I've seen plenty of versions of how this shit storm started.  most of them have Assad attacking and killing unarmed civilians that wanted him out.  Maybe that's completely true, maybe it isn't.  I'm not naive enough to think that governments of all stripes do not manipulate the press or tinker with the versions to suit themselves and their agendas, so who knows WTF really did happen.

If Assad had tolerated them for like 15 years without any issues, then what makes you think that he is suddenly going to bomb them without any solid reason?

we could kick that ball around forever I imagine, but it derails the thread topic to some extent, which is what to do with these millions now.  that in itself is a complex issue with no clear answer and seemingly no good solution from any angle that I can see.

Talking about the migrants? 80% of them are not Syrian, and the buck stops there. Send them back to where they came from (Pakistan, Egypt.etc). And regarding the Syrians, you can ask the Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar and Kuwait to take them. After all, they are also Arab speaking and Muslim people.

[Pentax]

all we mostly get are versions in the press.  I've seen plenty of versions of how this shit storm started.  most of them have Assad attacking and killing unarmed civilians that wanted him out.  Maybe that's completely true, maybe it isn't.  I'm not naive enough to think that governments of all stripes do not manipulate the press or tinker with the versions to suit themselves and their agendas, so who knows WTF really did happen.

If Assad had tolerated them for like 15 years without any issues, then what makes you think that he is suddenly going to bomb them without any solid reason?

If they were organizing for his ouster that might be a solid reason in his view.  who knows why people do what they do.

On the flip side of the question, they'd tolerated him for the same amount of time, then why the sudden actions on their part.

something lit the fuse.  what it was is probably way more twisted than either side, or the other players (US, Iran, Russia etc) would want us to believe.  it almost always is.

[f4tal1ty]

But I guess all this is kinda off topic, as I think this thread is quite interesting, to get coverage from so many different countries on the migrant crisis. Because no matter how individual your opinion maybe, you cant totally escape your local news propaganda or the national atmosphere.

So what have we learned from the comments so far?

Also do you think Is killers are between those refugees?

I am sure thats possible, as most immigrants threw their passports away to claim they are coming from syria, because fleeing from a warzone gives them better chances to get asylum. All institutions are totally overwhelmed with the registration of the refugees, so it should be really easy for terrorists to sneak into the country among the masses.
But I really doubt that they are able to cause any threat in Europe. I would much more fear false flag attacks by the government blaming the muslims to tighten security measures, mass surveillance or to take other political actions.

we have a major problem in the uk with high muslim crime rate expecially rapes against non muslim girls and also the number of welfare claimants creating a burden for the taxpayer. they refuse to assimilate, a lot of them wear their stupid robs and beards and many of their women refuse to learn the language and work.

they breed like rats and are almost the majority population in our second biggest city.

Sure you can say, every muslim that gets asylum brings like 5 family members from his home country, and as women in a patriarchal muslim society dont work like in the west, but rather get 5 kids, our population will be outnumbered in a few generations, the islam party will get in charge and welcome to the Sharia.
But I think thats utopian, muslim immigrants are much more assimilated in the 2nd generation living in a foreign country and hence get less kids.

[Losvienleg]

maybe if they HAD stepped in when Assad started mowing down civilians with his military the situation would be different.  We'll never know at this point what would have been had this or that been done.

Had the Americans and their allies (especially the Turks, Saudis, Qataris, and the Israelis) refrained from arming the Islamists, this would have been avoided. The Islamists ambushed Syrian policemen and government officials, and massacred them without any provocation. Naturally, this invited a harsh response from Bashar al Assad.

maybe.  maybe not. and that is IF the Americans and their allies did as you say.

all we mostly get are versions in the press.  I've seen plenty of versions of how this shit storm started.  most of them have Assad attacking and killing unarmed civilians that wanted him out.  Maybe that's completely true, maybe it isn't.  I'm not naive enough to think that governments of all stripes do not manipulate the press or tinker with the versions to suit themselves and their agendas, so who knows WTF really did happen.

we could kick that ball around forever I imagine, but it derails the thread topic to some extent, which is what to do with these millions now.  that in itself is a complex issue with no clear answer and seemingly no good solution from any angle that I can see.

From what I know, a group of armed people wanted to take Al-Assad out, and he replied by keeping is power. Maybe you could tell that it isn't something "right" but I'll tell you that it is. If they would have took power the same thing that have happened to the Great Persia (now Iran) would have happened to Syria. This would be a dumb Islamic "Republic". Also Al-Assad is the most legitimate chief of this country. He has been fully legally elected.

[bryant.coleman]

But I think thats utopian, muslim immigrants are much more assimilated in the 2nd generation living in a foreign country and hence get less kids.

By less kids, you mean a reduction from 12 children per woman to 6 children per woman? That is still much higher than the average fertility rate of 1.3 children per woman in Germany. Lets take an example here.

In a city, there are 90 European couples and 10 Muslim couples. The 90 European couples will raise 117 kids, while the 10 Muslim couples will raise 60 kids. So in the next generation, the percentage of Muslims would have increased from 10% to 34%.

Now after 25-30 years, these 117 Europeans (58 couples) will raise 76 kids, while the 30 Muslim couples will raise 180 kids. Here, the percentage of Muslims become 70.3%.

This shows that the Muslims can take over the European Union in less than 2 generations.

[msc_de]

in germany up to now in 2015 totally 490 violence cases against Refugee but in 2014 only 250 cases

[isvicre]

Newer Arab refugees are creating big problems for all countries. I think there should be limit to it, maybe like they should know language, they should be educated or they should carry limited kids etc.

[Losvienleg]

Newer Arab refugees are creating big problems for all countries. I think there should be limit to it, maybe like they should know language, they should be educated or they should carry limited kids etc.

Something like this can't be applied in a such situation. These guys are officially "refugees" so the socialists can't make difference between these "needy". Note also that even if they were tradional migrants, since equality is the only word they know, it's impossible to make distinctions.

[bryant.coleman]

Newer Arab refugees are creating big problems for all countries. I think there should be limit to it, maybe like they should know language, they should be educated or they should carry limited kids etc.

They don't know the language, most of them are not educated, and each of the women produce anywhere between half a dozen and one dozen children. In this situation, it will be much better to direct these refugees towards countries such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, where they will face no language or cultural issues.

[bizerinm]

There are few villages in north part of Germany, once peaceful places with less then 1000 citizens, now have big problems because have to accpet more than 1000 refugees and we all see what is happening with them..but i noticed something interesting: in media looks like most of the refugees who commit attacks,raping are refugees from North Africa, Somalia, Nigeria..and not Syria,Iraq

[popcorn1]

I am British we never run 1st world war 2nd world war how many refugees where British then ANSWER NONE..When we go to war we stand and fight
we BRITISH HAVE NOWHERE TO RUN NOT UNLESS WE CAN ALL SWIM THE CHANNEL..

So to all you fit young refugees GET BACK AND FIGHT YOU SHIT BAGS..

WE BRITISH STAND AND FIGHT OR WE DIE

BUT ALSO LOOK AT ALL THE PAST WARS WE NEVER RUN FROM INVADERS BECAUSE WE GOT NO WHERE TO RUN WHERE ON AN ISLAND

[Ernstew]

They are cowards..but this is plan of massive migration from Syria and Iraq to Europe..and also from Somalia and North Africa..they will change European population definitely

[designerusa]

So I am from The Netherlands and on this forum I know we have people from all over the world.
But still we must all think a little bit the same, because otherwise we wouldn't be on this forum together!

And here this is the only thing you see now in the papers, facebook and on the news.
People are going crazy here in Holland, I don't know if you know but we have political faction here the Pvv!
There leader is Geert Wilders, he is let me say Anti muslim and he is pretty popular.
But since the refugee "invasion" He is getting a lot more support, according to a weekly poll they do here for dutch politics.

And there have been a lot of incidents in The Netherlands like:

Some little village here "Oranje" with 700 people in it complained it was getting 1400 refugees.
They succeeded and settled with 700, only later they still had to go with 1400.
They where raging very hard, later some dutch people even attacked refugees.

So it is getting out of hand here and I think if the refugees continue to misbehave, they will get more people that want them gone.

But I think the media is very Anti Muslim and they try to put them in a bad light.

I want know how is it in your country??
Please state the country you live in, and some problems that are happening right now overthere, and of course your opinion about all this.
Also do you think Is killers are between those refugees? 

i dont think killers are between those refugees.. refugees crisis must be solved behind closed doors becuse in front of the mass media this topic is getting worse and worse..

[Spendulus]

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Also do you think Is killers are between those refugees?

I am sure thats possible, as most immigrants threw their passports away to claim they are coming from syria, because fleeing from a warzone gives them better chances to get asylum. All institutions are totally overwhelmed with the registration of the refugees, so it should be really easy for terrorists to sneak into the country among the masses.
But I really doubt that they are able to cause any threat in Europe. I would much more fear false flag attacks by the government blaming the muslims to tighten security measures, mass surveillance or to take other political actions.

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You realize how stupid and crazy this line of thinking is that you are projecting?

It's like saying, fear the homeowner instead of the burgler.

[jak1]

lot of them pretend to be from syria because will get asylum..traveling without passport and give false name,birthdate..and first registration is in Serbia as i heard...so probably a lot of people lie that are form syria

[salinizm]

I'm from France. Since the beginning, I say the same things and this is that the refugees should grab weapons and fight, but of course it's easier to go developed countries and have free food and free electricity ! IS killers can be hide inside them, but this we will know in a few years when there will have mass murder with bombs in big cities.

I think this is an invasion because of this :

You're from the Nederlands, so there is big probability that you are light haired and light eyed. The same thing apllies to my city and I : where I live (in the East of France), more than 2/3 of people have green or blue eyes. If these people come, we'll slowly lose our Germanic identity and roots to have black eyes and hairs. We'll also become Muslims.

Note that some people in Syria have light eyes (like Bachar Al-Assad). These guys can come if they want, because they're not fully and maybe not at all Arabs. If I have no problems with Arabs (I mean those form Middle-East). But those from Algeria are not Arabs but a blend of niggers and Arabs. These ones I don't like them. Arabs just have to stay where they are and everything will be fine .

i agree with you.. they should fight for their freedom rather than running away.. but your germanic identity could be changed with different ways not just because of immigrants..

[Ernstew]

all north will loose germanic,viking origins during this arab/negro invasion..that is their intention to mix races and europe stops to be white