Professional trolls

[aleix]

hi,

I'm aleix, from the Dash community. As some of you may know, we have a very hard trolling campaign in our main thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0

I can understand people hate us and troll us. The alt section is very competitive and some people think that trying to destroy the competition is the way to do things in life. This is not the problem.

The problem I want to aware the global mods is about professional trolls. Like this guy:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=489877
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=489877;sa=showPosts

223 posts all related (even the name is) with the Dash currency. Active since  23 March 2015. Please check.

My question is; this is ok on Bitcointalk? accounts and people dedicated exclusively to try to destroy projects.

The profile I provided is only an example.  

My suspicious is some people (maybe only one with multiple accounts) are working 24/7 and are paid to do a job.  You don't waste you time like this guy (and other profiles I can provide) just to troll for fun or because you belive what is wrong or right.

I would ask to check the ips of the common trolls in the Dash thread, just to validate what I think is a coordinated effort to troll us and make our thread unreadable.

I can give more information if requested.

tnks,

(excuse my grammar and vocabulary mistakes, english is my third language)
 

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[amacar2]

AFAIK I don't think there are any rules aginst trolls in here. Even to that person that you called professional troll. It's just be to make the ignore button work and do it's job for you.. Peoples opinion in here is not moderated so I think that is the reason why people such as that exist.

[aleix]

AFAIK I don't think there are any rules aginst trolls in here. Even to that person that you called professional troll. It's just be to make the ignore button work and do it's job for you.. Peoples opinion in here is not moderated so I think that is the reason why people such as that exist.

The list is somewhat complete but I still will be adding rules as I encounter them. I'm open to suggestions on formatting, sources, mistakes, rules, removal from the list, etc.

Forum rules

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

2. No off-topic posts.

3. No trolling.

4. No referral code (ref link) spam. [1]

(...)

Although, I am not talking here about the normal trolling which is inevitable and sometimes even good. This is a coordinated effort to destroy Dash.

[achow101]

Just report his posts. It is possible that moderators don't see his posts, so report them to get their attention. That should help to remove the troll posts.

[Quickseller]

The threshold for a post to get removed for trolling and for someone to get banned for trolling is very high due to free speech concerns.

I cannot speak about the people in your thread, however there are a good number of "professional" trolls on the forum (I just the word professional in quotes because I am unsure if they are actually paid to troll, however they are very good at doing what they do)

[dogie]

The threshold for a post to get removed for trolling and for someone to get banned for trolling is very high due to free speech concerns.

...and is certainly dependent on which subforum and moderators are active in that forum.

[okae]

The threshold for a post to get removed for trolling and for someone to get banned for trolling is very high due to free speech concerns.

...and is certainly dependent on which subforum and moderators are active in that forum.

but that's not the way that it should be, im not saying that you are not in truth, on the contrary, IMHO moderators should act independent of what subforum they are related, i mean this forum have some rules and should be the same for all.

My question is; this is ok on Bitcointalk? accounts and people dedicated exclusively to try to destroy projects.

unfortunately, there will be always people like that and from my point of view moderators should not do nothing, obviously only if they are doing it always from the respect, but i understand your frustration.

[aleix]

Thanks guys for the nice responses, but this is not about trolling (which I don't like, but it is inevitable). This is about an account with 223 posts (full member status) and used only to troll one specific topic: one specific thread (the main of Dash) and threads in the alt-subforum related to Dash.

The name of the account and the historical of posts are visible to check.

This is what I call a professional troll. And I think this is not the only one. I think this account and other similar accounts belong to the same guy, a guy sponsored to do an specific work in here in Bitcointalk.

That's the reason I ask the global mods for a further and deeper investigation.

(excuse my grammar and vocabulary mistakes, english is my third language)

[dogie]

The threshold for a post to get removed for trolling and for someone to get banned for trolling is very high due to free speech concerns.

...and is certainly dependent on which subforum and moderators are active in that forum.

but that's not the way that it should be, im not saying that you are not in truth, on the contrary, IMHO moderators should act independent of what subforum they are related, i mean this forum have some rules and should be the same for all.

Which is why I think mods should roam or reports be spread out. Too much room for favouritism without any oversight.

[aleix]

Sadly, because of this kind of professional trolls and other currency supporters  the situation in our thread is out of control.

You just need to check the last 3 pages to understand the conversation has become impossible.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.109700


I think the moderator of the section (@mprep) is doing his best. Unfortunately this is not enough.

[avgeca]

lol, stop the whining, report the posts if you think it's trolling. though you're probably gonna have a hard time, since you're trying to defend one of the biggest ongoing scams in crypto at the moment.

[aleix]

This is really funny.

Some people on this forum think they are the police, they are the judge and the jury. And if they think you are guilty, all kind of tactics to beat you are permitted.

(the instamine matter is answered a lot of times in this forum and others)

And always posting with newbie accounts or professional trolls, of course.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Pretty sure there are professional trolls on this forum buddy, paid trolls who are required to troll in certain ways by a whale/master to try & manipulate the masses to follow a trend to effect the price.

Just report what you deem to be trolling & hope the mods do their job, I think that's all you can do. If it's ridiculously obsessive trolling they'll most likely get banned.

[Russtie Beerkan]

Pretty sure there are professional trolls on this forum buddy, paid trolls who are required to troll in certain ways by a whale/master to try & manipulate the masses to follow a trend to effect the price.

Just report what you deem to be trolling & hope the mods do their job, I think that's all you can do. If it's ridiculously obsessive trolling they'll most likely get banned.

Sadly, there are people from 3rd world countries who will work all day for just few usd.

[BitcoinEXpress]

Sadly, because of this kind of professional trolls and other currency supporters  the situation in our thread is out of control.

You just need to check the last 3 pages to understand the conversation has become impossible.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.109700


I think the moderator of the section (@mprep) is doing his best. Unfortunately this is not enough.

Professional trolls LOL


Don't exist!


~BCX~

[Russtie Beerkan]

@ ~BCX~

Stop being lazy & really look at the evidence. Reality is sad, accept it man.

Pretty sure there are professional trolls on this forum buddy, paid trolls who are required to troll in certain ways by a whale/master to try & manipulate the masses to follow a trend to effect the price.

Just report what you deem to be trolling & hope the mods do their job, I think that's all you can do. If it's ridiculously obsessive trolling they'll most likely get banned.

Sadly, there are people from 3rd world countries who will work all day for just few usd.

[worhiper_-_]

In fact, there's a group called buttcoin and they even have a foundation behind what they're doing. I think their most recent partnership was with Citigroup, the bank that was poised to destroy bitcoin by releasing their own alternative. Buttcoin people have been around ever since bitcoin started becoming popular, I think the beginnings were in 2011 from something awful forums, but they became big and some started getting hired by big companies to troll against bitcoin and other currencies, some even got hired to work part time. From mid 2013 they started centralizing operations to make them more successful, for a while the head of opperetions was /r/secretbuttcoin. Maybe it still is but I've lost track.

[PolarPoint]

So called professional trolls roam the forum. You can't avoid them. You ban one account and ten of them return. The gambling and dice site situation is similar. It's a cut throat sector and people don't play fair. I am sorry this happens to you, mods can't do much here.

[Spoetnik]

Sadly, because of this kind of professional trolls and other currency supporters  the situation in our thread is out of control.

You just need to check the last 3 pages to understand the conversation has become impossible.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.109700


I think the moderator of the section (@mprep) is doing his best. Unfortunately this is not enough.

Other mods can and do moderate the Altcoin section.

I think you may have a point here by the sounds of it (i did not read that guys post history)
Dash to Ash ? that is funny though LOL

Sounds like he didn't just leave some gripes but has harped endlessly.. that would prob be considered Trolling i think.
For example i get accused of that a lot but i would never camp on a coins ANN topic nagging them to death.
I just try and say my peace and move on..

What i would suggest is warning the guy + mention this topic (avoid PM's maybe ?)
warn him nicely too..tell him look i get it.. but your laying it on a bit thick.
If that doesn't work then maybe hit the report button and cite "trolling" as the reason why..
Trolling is against the rules here so he would probably get a ban.

Consider how many topics are on the Altcoin main section about Dash though too..
Seems to me there is a LOT of bumping to page one of numerous topics on the coin
so i think in *part your provoking this reaction (or the other bag holders are etc)

People don't want to scroll down the list of topics and see the word Dash over and over like crazy. (or any other coin)

edit:
I also seen a guy here post a topic offering Pro Trolling services for a fee.. he was banned + topic deleted LOL

[smooth]

You just need to check the last 3 pages to understand the conversation has become impossible.

What has made conversation on your thread impossible is largely that people from your community (including I think you but I'm not sure) respond to on-topic criticism of Dash not with on-topic support of Dash, but by discussing personalities (including purported doxing), criticizing other coins, conspiracy theories of "paid trolls", etc. all of which is off-topic and explicitly against the forum rules to be discussed there.

That isn't even a judgement call -- off topic posts on a thread are not allowed -- while your claim of "professional" trolls is made with no evidence whatsoever, and somehow the culture of the Dash thread has come to define negative posts, even if entirely substantive and on-topic as to Dash, as "trolling". That is incorrect and you can't expect the moderators to take a position on one side of the debate over the merits of any particular coin.

Moderators can, and do (because I see many of the posts get deleted) go through page after page of the Dash thread and see that in many cases the vast majority of the posts do not discuss Dash at all, either positively or negatively. (Most of those are from supporters of Dash, but I don't really expect moderators to keep track of who is a supporter and who is not.) That is clearly out of line.

tldr police your own.

EDIT: I don't disagree that some individual posts may veer into trolling and those can be legitimately reported as Spoetnik said. That's true for virtually every single thread on this forum. If you think there isn't a lot of trolling everywhere on this forum you need to look around a bit. But many of that poster's posts are just on-topic criticism and it is inappropriate for any coin to expect forum mods censor that (even if it weren't accurate, since accuracy,  opinions, and accusations of scamming are explicitly NOT moderated). Example:

INSTAMINED / SOLOMINED SCAM - READ FOR YOURSELF - DONT GET CAUGHT UP IN THE EXCITEMENT OF THE CIRCLE JERK

1. Within the very first hour over 500,000 coins were mined

2. Within 8 hours over 1.5 million coins were mind, which is most of the instamine.

On the matter of the instamine itself, you are ignoring a whole host of extremely shady practices that surrounded the instamine.

3. The Evan misled people into thinking that the launch would not happen for days (and specifically not in hours), then it happened in a few hours. Considering the 500K number in the first item above, the effect of this "ambush" was enormous.