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November 07, 2012, 12:56:31 PM
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The rest of the world can't thank you enough for keeping Obama as president. Your politics affects others countries, and I really feel like we dodge a bullet here. Not that Obama is awesome, but mainly because Romney was beyond awful and I had a hard time believing you were not able to find a better challenger.

Also, legal marijuana in Washington and Colorado, and gay marriage in Maine and Maryland? Woah! Welcome to the 21th century, I'm really impressed.  Grin
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November 07, 2012, 01:03:27 PM
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The rest of the world can't thank you enough for keeping Obama as president. Your politics affects others countries, and I really feel like we dodge a bullet here. Not that Obama is awesome, but mainly because Romney was beyond awful and I had a hard time believing you were not able to find a better challenger.

Also, legal marijuana in Washington and Colorado, and gay marriage in Maine and Maryland? Woah! Welcome to the 21th century, I'm really impressed.  Grin
Romney would have been disastrous for the whole world, let alone internally. I was personally quite scared when Romney took an early lead, but then relieved when Obama stormed back.
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November 07, 2012, 01:15:25 PM
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Please explain or use [sarc] tags where applicable. Smiley

As a non-American who took a passing interest in the elections because of the hype, I had a look at 2 of the debates, and thought Romney to be generally more articulate, better prepared, more knowledgeable than Obama. As for Obama, I expected Gitmo to be closed by now, all troops removed from AfghanisNam, no threatening rhetoric or sanctions against Iran, no stealth war against Pakistan, and Bradley Manning to get away with a warning or a small fine.

But still... better the devil you know?
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November 07, 2012, 01:21:26 PM
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Yes Obama is better than Mitt Romnius Wellington III ( I think that's what Jon Stewart called him Cheesy ) but why they didn't just vote for a third party is beyond me the only good thing I think will come out of this Democratic victory is we now get to see how bad a Democratic president will be since we've already seen how terrible a Republican president would be for 8 years.

I find it hard to believe that the two party system has survived for so long.
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November 07, 2012, 01:27:10 PM
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Yes Obama is better than Mitt Romnius Wellington III ( I think that's what Jon Stewart called him Cheesy ) but why they didn't just vote for a third party is beyond me the only good thing I think will come out of this Democratic victory is we now get to see how bad a Democratic president will be since we've already seen how terrible a Republican president would be for 8 years.

I find it hard to believe that the two party system has survived for so long.

Who knows, perhaps 60% of your country voted for Gary Johnson, but you will never know because the controlled media has everyone convinced that it's only a tiny minority? Keep people divided and morale low. Grin
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November 07, 2012, 01:32:43 PM
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I'm Brazilian and I'm (we are) Happy with Obama as USA President too.

All the best to USA in the next 4 years.  Grin

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November 07, 2012, 01:41:04 PM
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I really believe it really makes next to no difference who of the two is President.

What really surprises me is this:


Also, legal marijuana in Washington and Colorado, and gay marriage in Maine and Maryland? Woah! Welcome to the 21th century, I'm really impressed.  Grin

That really disturbs the cliche picture I have of a US-American.

Welcome to the 21th century, indeed.

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November 07, 2012, 02:08:29 PM
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As for Obama, I expected Gitmo to be closed by now

Talk to Congress.  He issued orders to shut the place down on day 2 (Executive Order 13492), but the Republicans, who were blocking everything just because, and Democrat's own blockheads prohibited using any funds to pay for moving anyone out of the place.
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November 07, 2012, 02:21:32 PM
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There was a better challenger to Obama...that would have been Ron Paul and the rest of the world would have been even more pleased with him as he pulled all troops from all foreign countries.

At least with Obama the war in Iran will not be as large scale.

And Romney was threatening China even before he won. Just what we need, a war with a country where they WANT large scale depopulation.

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November 07, 2012, 02:43:01 PM
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Why is everyone so surprised at legalization of weed? This has been coming for a long time. Even my mother-in-law in Washington voted for legalization. The real question is "why was it ever illegal?"

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November 07, 2012, 02:51:46 PM
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As for Obama, I expected Gitmo to be closed by now

Talk to Congress.  He issued orders to shut the place down on day 2 (Executive Order 13492), but the Republicans, who were blocking everything just because, and Democrat's own blockheads prohibited using any funds to pay for moving anyone out of the place.

Yeah yeah, to me it sounds like Congress is a convenient scapegoat to avoid getting stuff done. For all the 'cool' things that he really wants, there are executive orders.

Edit: oops, scratch that -- just read that it already was an executive order. My Bad. Roll Eyes
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November 07, 2012, 02:51:56 PM
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Why is everyone so surprised at legalization of weed? This has been coming for a long time. Even my mother-in-law in Washington voted for legalization. The real question is "why was it ever illegal?"

The original social attack against marijuana came because Mexican workers would bring their strange plant with them from south of the border and with it being common among them and uncommon among Americans it was used as a way to attack Mexicans without outwardly attacking them.

Then in the 60s hippy generation Richard Nixon was doing everything he could do to prevent those "damned hippies" from holding their protests. He kept running into 1st Amendment issues and could not stop them.

Then he realized that marijuana was very popular among hippies and was an integral part of their protests. So he attacked and outlawed marijuana in the hopes of being able to send in police to break up these hippy gatherings.

And the rest was history.

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November 07, 2012, 02:55:11 PM
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Why is everyone so surprised at legalization of weed? This has been coming for a long time. Even my mother-in-law in Washington voted for legalization. The real question is "why was it ever illegal?"

The original social attack against marijuana came because Mexican workers would bring their strange plant with them from south of the border and with it being common among them and uncommon among Americans it was used as a way to attack Mexicans without outwardly attacking them.

Then in the 60s hippy generation Richard Nixon was doing everything he could do to prevent those "damned hippies" from holding their protests. He kept running into 1st Amendment issues and could not stop them.

Then he realized that marijuana was very popular among hippies and was an integral part of their protests. So he attacked and outlawed marijuana in the hopes of being able to send in police to break up these hippy gatherings.

And the rest was history.
That's my understanding as well. Using drug policy to control society is not a winning bumper sticker.

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November 07, 2012, 03:20:07 PM
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If you examine it closely, every major societal control has been wrapped in racism:
Marijuana: Mexicans.
Cocaine: Blacks.
Marriage licenses: Blacks, later shifted from racism to gay-bashing.
TSA: Musims

Stop the hate, and government goes away.

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November 07, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
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Yes Obama is better than Mitt Romnius Wellington III ( I think that's what Jon Stewart called him Cheesy ) but why they didn't just vote for a third party is beyond me the only good thing I think will come out of this Democratic victory is we now get to see how bad a Democratic president will be since we've already seen how terrible a Republican president would be for 8 years.

I find it hard to believe that the two party system has survived for so long.

Who knows, perhaps 60% of your country voted for Gary Johnson, but you will never know because the controlled media has everyone convinced that it's only a tiny minority? Keep people divided and morale low. Grin

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November 07, 2012, 04:19:25 PM
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Yes Obama is better than Mitt Romnius Wellington III ( I think that's what Jon Stewart called him Cheesy ) but why they didn't just vote for a third party is beyond me the only good thing I think will come out of this Democratic victory is we now get to see how bad a Democratic president will be since we've already seen how terrible a Republican president would be for 8 years.

I find it hard to believe that the two party system has survived for so long.

Who knows, perhaps 60% of your country voted for Gary Johnson, but you will never know because the controlled media has everyone convinced that it's only a tiny minority? Keep people divided and morale low. Grin

I'm British Cheesy

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November 07, 2012, 04:31:20 PM
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Please explain or use [sarc] tags where applicable. Smiley

As a non-American who took a passing interest in the elections because of the hype, I had a look at 2 of the debates, and thought Romney to be generally more articulate, better prepared, more knowledgeable than Obama. As for Obama, I expected Gitmo to be closed by now, all troops removed from AfghanisNam, no threatening rhetoric or sanctions against Iran, no stealth war against Pakistan, and Bradley Manning to get away with a warning or a small fine.

But still... better the devil you know?

Obama has tried to do every thing he said he would do on election 1.
Gitmo blame the (R) because they're stopping it.
Afghanistan troops are on their way out you cant pull out of a war you will waste the past 11 years.
Iraq is done that should be enough of a start...

Iran? Really? They're trying to make a nuke.
Stealth war against Pakiastan? They're funding the taliban and AQ... Bin Ladden was found next to their largest base and they could not find his 11 foot walled fortress?
Bradley Manning commited Treason, do I think he should be locked up? No, but he knew the rules..


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November 07, 2012, 04:36:23 PM
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If you examine it closely, every major societal control has been wrapped in racism:
Marijuana: Mexicans.
Cocaine: Blacks.
Marriage licenses: Blacks, later shifted from racism to gay-bashing.
TSA: Musims

Stop the hate, and government goes away.

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I agree. Grouping ourselves based upon melanin is idiotic. I see it done on both sides.

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November 07, 2012, 08:47:48 PM
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Please explain or use [sarc] tags where applicable. Smiley

As a non-American who took a passing interest in the elections because of the hype, I had a look at 2 of the debates, and thought Romney to be generally more articulate, better prepared, more knowledgeable than Obama. As for Obama, I expected Gitmo to be closed by now, all troops removed from AfghanisNam, no threatening rhetoric or sanctions against Iran, no stealth war against Pakistan, and Bradley Manning to get away with a warning or a small fine.

But still... better the devil you know?

Mmm, let's put it that way.

What worries me of Iran is not that they have the nuclear bomb. It's because the rulers are religious freaks that have the nuclear bomb. Mitt Romney was backed by the biggest religious freaks of the USA. The USA have the nuclear bomb. So, getting TWO countries ruled by religious freak that control nuclear bomb was doubling my worries. At least now, I have one country less to worry.

I don't trust any religion, I know the damage it can cause. When you try to force your religious views on the law (for example gay marriage and abortion), I freak out. I consider religion as a cancer that must not spread to democratic institutions. You can live in lala-land if you want, but when you get in a position where you can affect other countries who are not living in lala-land, I think you must contain the lala-stories, especially when it's the no1 army in the world.

Without that religion part, as a left-wing and social-democrat, Obama and Romney are pretty similar(well, until Romney started taking all the positions in the world). The two of them are at the right-side of the political spectrum. USA don't have any left-wing and don't have any idea what a socialist is.
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November 07, 2012, 09:12:37 PM
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As for Obama, I expected Gitmo to be closed by now

Talk to Congress.  He issued orders to shut the place down on day 2 (Executive Order 13492), but the Republicans, who were blocking everything just because...

That is 100% weapons-grade bullshit right there.  In case you've forgotten, the Dims had taken both houses of Congress after the 2006 election.  They even had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.  0bama could've gotten anything he wanted for the first two years of his regime, and there's sweet fuck-all the Republicans could've done about it.  We're lucky he didn't do more damage than he did.  Now that he doesn't have a reelection to worry about, you should be afraid.

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