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November 06, 2015, 06:09:58 PM
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It's not a good idea. It will easily be abused by people trying to censor others. Doesn't it already happen on reddit? If a post is bad or spam report it. You're basically giving regular users the ability to moderate the forum which is never a good idea.

It doesn't really happen on reddit, i have been browsing reddit for years and the downvotes are usually right and even if they are not it takes a lot of downvotes to hide someone's comment and even after that you can still show the comment anyways, it's not like it gets deleted.

There is an ignore button already, but a reddit system is IMHO not suitable for a discussion(!) board. It removes unpopular opinions. Yes I can do the extra click and read it, but over time most - me included - will just ignore it. I dont like the idea of a hive mind deciding what is worth to be seen and what not. I rare use the ignore function for the every same reason. I can spot a post not worth reading after I read the first (half-) sentence, but that user might have an interesting post from time to time.
it wouldnt be just unpopular opinions, it might extend to the opinions that dont agree with any single member of the forum that is willing to go far enough to make sure that train of thought is silenced. account trading here is more or less allowed here on the forum; whats going to stop a single person from buying up dozens of sock puppet accounts just so they can control the way speech works in the forum if such a system were to be implemented? it'd be a lot worse than the reddit hivemind imo.

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November 06, 2015, 06:37:34 PM
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It's not a good idea. It will easily be abused by people trying to censor others. Doesn't it already happen on reddit? If a post is bad or spam report it. You're basically giving regular users the ability to moderate the forum which is never a good idea.

It doesn't really happen on reddit, i have been browsing reddit for years and the downvotes are usually right and even if they are not it takes a lot of downvotes to hide someone's comment and even after that you can still show the comment anyways, it's not like it gets deleted.

There is an ignore button already, but a reddit system is IMHO not suitable for a discussion(!) board. It removes unpopular opinions. Yes I can do the extra click and read it, but over time most - me included - will just ignore it. I dont like the idea of a hive mind deciding what is worth to be seen and what not. I rare use the ignore function for the every same reason. I can spot a post not worth reading after I read the first (half-) sentence, but that user might have an interesting post from time to time.
it wouldnt be just unpopular opinions, it might extend to the opinions that dont agree with any single member of the forum that is willing to go far enough to make sure that train of thought is silenced. account trading here is more or less allowed here on the forum; whats going to stop a single person from buying up dozens of sock puppet accounts just so they can control the way speech works in the forum if such a system were to be implemented? it'd be a lot worse than the reddit hivemind imo.

Make that a post needs -100 votes to get hidden and only high ranks accounts, do you really think someone would buy 100 accounts or more if the other post has positive just to make it hidden because he doesnt like his opinion, come on now your arguments are really the worst shit I have ever read.




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November 06, 2015, 06:39:07 PM
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Mall signature campaigns don't include off topic as part of payment so spamming there would
Be useless. Honestly it's not a big deal

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November 06, 2015, 06:54:55 PM
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It's not a good idea. It will easily be abused by people trying to censor others. Doesn't it already happen on reddit? If a post is bad or spam report it. You're basically giving regular users the ability to moderate the forum which is never a good idea.

It doesn't really happen on reddit, i have been browsing reddit for years and the downvotes are usually right and even if they are not it takes a lot of downvotes to hide someone's comment and even after that you can still show the comment anyways, it's not like it gets deleted.

There is an ignore button already, but a reddit system is IMHO not suitable for a discussion(!) board. It removes unpopular opinions. Yes I can do the extra click and read it, but over time most - me included - will just ignore it. I dont like the idea of a hive mind deciding what is worth to be seen and what not. I rare use the ignore function for the every same reason. I can spot a post not worth reading after I read the first (half-) sentence, but that user might have an interesting post from time to time.
it wouldnt be just unpopular opinions, it might extend to the opinions that dont agree with any single member of the forum that is willing to go far enough to make sure that train of thought is silenced. account trading here is more or less allowed here on the forum; whats going to stop a single person from buying up dozens of sock puppet accounts just so they can control the way speech works in the forum if such a system were to be implemented? it'd be a lot worse than the reddit hivemind imo.

Make that a post needs -100 votes to get hidden and only high ranks accounts, do you really think someone would buy 100 accounts or more if the other post has positive just to make it hidden because he doesnt like his opinion, come on now your arguments are really the worst shit I have ever read.
given that this forum is a pretty central place to discuss all things bitcoin related, you really think theres not a sliver of a chance that people might be willing to drop a few thousand doollars to control free speech on here? come back when you can make a solid argument instead of just lashing out.

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November 06, 2015, 07:11:51 PM
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Make that a post needs -100 votes to get hidden and only high ranks accounts, do you really think someone would buy 100 accounts or more if the other post has positive just to make it hidden because he doesnt like his opinion, come on now your arguments are really the worst shit I have ever read.

If a post requires a ridiculous number of votes to get removed then it would be almost useless anyway. How long do you think it would take a post to receive 100 votes? Ages if at all. Makes it even less likely if only higher ranked accounts can downvote things as well. And again, if a post is so bad that it is getting a lot of downvotes then it is likely against the rules and it can be reported and it will be dealt with, but if it's not against the rules a mob shouldn't be able to remove it.

Make that a post needs -100 votes to get hidden and only high ranks accounts, do you really think someone would buy 100 accounts or more if the other post has positive just to make it hidden because he doesnt like his opinion, come on now your arguments are really the worst shit I have ever read.
given that this forum is a pretty central place to discuss all things bitcoin related, you really think theres not a sliver of a chance that people might be willing to drop a few thousand doollars to control free speech on here? come back when you can make a solid argument instead of just lashing out.

Exactly. Just look at what lengths determined trolls go to on here botting accounts etc. Shady or unethical businesses and scammers would buy up or create numerous accounts to silence any negative opinions or criticism. If signatures ever get banned or campaigns rates significantly drop in the future imagine all the accounts that will come on to the market when they have no use for them anymore. Even higher ranked accounts will be sold for next to nothing so it wouldn't be that difficult to buy up a shitload.

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November 06, 2015, 08:46:26 PM
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Exactly. Just look at what lengths determined trolls go to on here botting accounts etc. Shady or unethical businesses and scammers would buy up or create numerous accounts to silence any negative opinions or criticism. If signatures ever get banned or campaigns rates significantly drop in the future imagine all the accounts that will come on to the market when they have no use for them anymore. Even higher ranked accounts will be sold for next to nothing so it wouldn't be that difficult to buy up a shitload.

Considering that the person that created >>6000 accounts just to spam a link got hold of a handfull of accounts that are at or near the 4 seconds per post limit is really scarry. Its possible right now, but I assume they are not willing to dump the money required into it. If timed right it could stop the board for a few hours until someone is awake to handle it.
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November 06, 2015, 08:56:21 PM
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Exactly. Just look at what lengths determined trolls go to on here botting accounts etc. Shady or unethical businesses and scammers would buy up or create numerous accounts to silence any negative opinions or criticism. If signatures ever get banned or campaigns rates significantly drop in the future imagine all the accounts that will come on to the market when they have no use for them anymore. Even higher ranked accounts will be sold for next to nothing so it wouldn't be that difficult to buy up a shitload.

Considering that the person that created >>6000 accounts just to spam a link got hold of a handfull of accounts that are at or near the 4 seconds per post limit is really scarry. Its possible right now, but I assume they are not willing to dump the money required into it. If timed right it could stop the board for a few hours until someone is awake to handle it.

Well thats the thing, right now anyone could create accounts all the time to spam something or troll someone but it doesn't happen that often and when it happens it gets handled by the mods, i don't think the upvote system would be that easy to abuse and I doubt anyone would buy 100 accounts just to do it but whatever.

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November 06, 2015, 09:01:24 PM
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Exactly. Just look at what lengths determined trolls go to on here botting accounts etc. Shady or unethical businesses and scammers would buy up or create numerous accounts to silence any negative opinions or criticism. If signatures ever get banned or campaigns rates significantly drop in the future imagine all the accounts that will come on to the market when they have no use for them anymore. Even higher ranked accounts will be sold for next to nothing so it wouldn't be that difficult to buy up a shitload.

Considering that the person that created >>6000 accounts just to spam a link got hold of a handfull of accounts that are at or near the 4 seconds per post limit is really scarry. Its possible right now, but I assume they are not willing to dump the money required into it. If timed right it could stop the board for a few hours until someone is awake to handle it.

Well thats the thing, right now anyone could create accounts all the time to spam something or troll someone but it doesn't happen that often and when it happens it gets handled by the mods, i don't think the upvote system would be that easy to abuse and I doubt anyone would buy 100 accounts just to do it but whatever.

Only Newbies get handled quickly. For a while after the last hack higher ranked accounts pop up spamming, spreading links to malware etc. It often took several hours until someone was online able to handle it. I would guess paroler coverage against newbies is pretty close to 24/7.

I would also think that someone willing to write an automated system to run a lengthy spam attack against this board just because they have some beef with a bitcoin company should be considered very determined. If a Hero account could be gotten for 0.1 or even less it might be worth it for them to burn a few BTC on accounts.
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November 07, 2015, 04:41:09 AM
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I suggest that posts in the off topic section dont have signatures enabled, i think we will see less spammers there
i know they will move to other boards but it will be easier to see spam in the other boards

your thoughts?
AFAIK most of the sig. campaigns do not already pay for the posts made in newbie section so it would be kind of a waste idea if you remove the signatures from off topic. And if you want to remove the signatures then why simply not remove the paid signatures from the whole forum?
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November 07, 2015, 03:13:49 PM
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I suggest that posts in the off topic section dont have signatures enabled, i think we will see less spammers there
i know they will move to other boards but it will be easier to see spam in the other boards

your thoughts?
AFAIK most of the sig. campaigns do not already pay for the posts made in newbie section so it would be kind of a waste idea if you remove the signatures from off topic. And if you want to remove the signatures then why simply not remove the paid signatures from the whole forum?
Maybe because most of the posts made there are paid for by the few signature campaigns that pay for posts in that section, stop them from spamming there and they will have to migrate elsewhere where their spam would be easier to see and they will get banned
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November 10, 2015, 07:18:20 PM
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I suggest that posts in the off topic section dont have signatures enabled, i think we will see less spammers there
i know they will move to other boards but it will be easier to see spam in the other boards

your thoughts?
AFAIK most of the sig. campaigns do not already pay for the posts made in newbie section...............
You are correct but it is those from the campaigns that pay for posts from off-topic that make the most spam there

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