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July 23, 2016, 06:11:33 AM
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This is bad for the participants and to those who want to join in the near future. If that's the case are you going to put negative trust to fortune jack signature campaign participants also? Because they have an inconsistent and not trusted image? You should tag them also I think, since your reason for this is that the casino being advertised have some anomalies.
FortuneJack also relies on their signature campaign to build and maintain their reputation.  Good point.
I also suspect many users have alt accounts in both Betcoin and FJ.
That's for another thread though, I don't want to derail.

Thanks for verifying that there is a point on what I've said. I hope Lutpin will do equal sanction on both Fortunejack and Betcoin signature campaign participants because it will be unfair , if he'll just do it on betcoin participants and as far as I know ( if I was right ), when he put negative trust to anyone, it will reflect on the account with red warning trade with cautious.

Do you think Lutpin might realize you are actually a Betcoin campaign member in disguise attempting to protect Betcoins campaign by pretending to attack FortuneJacks?

After reading your reply, I realized it too  Shocked . Definitely he ( Lutpin ) will realize that I'm a campaign member, but I'm not its my friend actually. I don't want to post his name here because he will absolutely be mad at me. ( I think he will also be mad at me for posting about all of this ). Anyhow, I'm putting the truth that its unfair if Lutpin will tag betcoin member and will not tag fortunejack members.
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July 23, 2016, 07:44:58 AM
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@roslinpl: Currently, posts posted into the local sections are disallowed or not counted. Maybe you should think about to count 5-10 posts per months in the local sections. I understand the fact that you are not able to validate them, so maybe it should be limited to only users which have shown good post quality over two or three stages. You could also limit it to Legendary or Hero Members only. Just my thoughts to improve this great signature campaign Smiley

Hello,

it was mentioned few times that local sections are allowed as long as your posts are constructive.

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Currently, posts posted into the local sections are disallowed or not counted.
Where do you read that rule? Smiley

I'm doing my best to validate them, using dictionaries etc. Smiley and I excluded many of local board posts made by our Participants Smiley while counting the Stage's stats.



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July 23, 2016, 08:55:44 AM
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If that's the case are you going to put negative trust to fortune jack signature campaign participants also? Because they have an inconsistent and not trusted image? You should tag them also I think, since your reason for this is that the casino being advertised have some anomalies.
I had negative trust left to FJ, which I removed, after they got their act together (at least I considered what happened enough not to reason a negative feedback anymore).
IF they would have ignored those problems and would have acted like Betcoin.AG currently does, I might have considered leaving negative trust to their advertisers aswell,
however, as you can see, I don't even have negative trust left to their main account (in difference to betcoin.ag's main account), hence don't expect me to leave any to their advertisers.
(I consider the negative feedback by mexxer-2 to be outdated, due to their time being inactive since)

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July 23, 2016, 01:23:35 PM
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July 24, 2016, 10:08:04 AM
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I would like to join this campaign, please let me know if i am elgiable.
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July 24, 2016, 11:53:08 AM
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I would like to join this campaign, please let me know if i am elgiable.
I would like to join this campaign, please let me know if i am elgiable.

Hi,

Enjoy a wonderful day and check your inbox in about few hours Smiley


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July 25, 2016, 12:08:41 AM
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The following is from Betcoins "JasonOrt Case Resolution" on July 6th.

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...Throughout this entire process jasonort can attest to the fact that the Betcoin.ag staff made ourselves available nearly 24/7 to answer every question and provide proper updates when available as we would have done for all of our great players. jasonort was also clear to never blame Betcoin.ag for this issue as this was clearly a software issue and would have happened on any other online casino.

Throughout this entire circumstance jasonort continued to play at Betcoin.ag and so did many new and old Betcoin.ag players. We are very thankful for that. We will always do the right thing at Betcoin.ag for our great players...

6 days ago JasonOrt made a post to Set the Record Straight and ask Betcoin to answer the following 3 questions

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1. Explain the relationship between Betcoin & Software Vendor. When a player places a wager on a game exactly how does it work? Explain the chain of custody of the wager and who is responsible for paying the player for a win or taking the money from a loss. Who holds the funds for a progressive jackpot? What recourse does a player have if they feel that they have been wrongly paid?

2. Why does Betcoin censor or delete forum posts? As I said transparency is very important to me as a player. It is the foundation of trust. At the beginning of this dispute I tried to bring this vigorously to the public because I felt I had been wronged. I had forum posts and comments removed by the moderators and staff. Why? My opinion on this is that Betcoin does not want to bite the hand that feeds them (The software vendors). If they allow posts that are negative towards the vendors it could jeopardize their business dealings with them. I understand this, but Betcoin needs to understand that without the players that play here there is no business. The customer should come first, not the vendor. Unless it is outright offensive allowing the players to publicly state their opinions is important. Freedom of speech is very important to me. Allowing dissenting viewpoints and difference of opinion need to be protected. Having my speech censored made me feel as though the profits were more important than the player. This is where I feel that Betcoin dropped the ball. Do the vendors monitor your forums? If so what does that communication look like? Do they ask you to take down negative postings against them?

3. Although I cannot comment on the issue of my spin, what is your opinion? Should the spin as it occurred have won the jackpot? I want only a one word answer. Yes or No. No disclaimers. One word only. It is your opinion and not legally binding.

Instead of responding to JasonOrt, Betcoin is deleting posts to keep Jasons thread from appearing on the "recent activity".  

From player chat: (I edited it down, archived complete version: https://archive.is/jrhWQ )





Another recently deleted explained why a new player decided to make the following post about me (none of it is true) Twitchyseal Offered Me Money on Instagram to Lie About Betcoin



The entire archived post can be found here (it's long): https://gyazo.com/caf33a91785fc3570d7c736db3e8c9c8




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Cjmoles left me the following negative feedback (lies obviously):



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Dude, your lying tactics aren't working....You gave me negative trust first....then I gave you negative trust in my defense.  As for Jason's questions, you know that he requested that they stay out of this forum because of the information manipulation that's been going on.  As for me not wanting my name mentioned in chat, that's because I suspect you guy's of hacking my account....I don't see how these DT members are fool enough to believe your photo shopped images and your misinformation tactics.  I guess they're easily fooled by professional multi-accounters....that doesn't say much for their intelligence....well, unless they are intentionally over looking the truth to gain same sort of advantages.  I don't know, but it's weird.

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July 25, 2016, 12:24:57 AM
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You gave me negative trust first....
Yes, I did.  As soon as I didn't trust you.
then I gave you negative trust in my defense.
Your first reaction to defend yourself was to post lies about me as neg feedback.  Ask yourself, why might that be?


As for me not wanting my name mentioned in chat, that's because I suspect you guy's of hacking my account....
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July 25, 2016, 12:21:16 PM
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I would like to join your campaign. Please let me know if I'm eligible asap.
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July 25, 2016, 01:13:39 PM
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Is their any slot ? I would like to join the campaign.
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July 25, 2016, 04:06:27 PM
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Betcoin.ag Poker Terms of Service (TOS)

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BetcoinPoker.com advises You to read all of these documents carefully as each forms part of the legally binding agreement between You and BetcoinPoker.com

-> It is juridical not possible to have a legally binding agreement with a domain name! Legally binding agreements are only possible between legal entities or private persons. The “Terms of Service” does also neither state the name of the operator nor a gambling license (if any exist), nothing!

-> False and misleading statements are the criminal offense of fraud!

Fraud Act 2016

2 Fraud by false representation

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b) intends, by making the representation—

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A representation is false if—

(a) it is untrue or misleading, and

(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.

(3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of—

(a) the person making the representation, or

(b) any other person.

(4) A representation may be express or implied.

(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).


Betcoin.ag governed in Hong Kong or in Curacao or nowhere?

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25. GOVERNING LAW

These Agreements shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong. You irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao in The Netherlands Antilles for the settlement of any dispute or matters arising out of or concerning these Agreements or their enforceability.

Based on what shall the alleged agreements with Betcoin.ag be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong?

How could “These Agreements” be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, while online gambling is not allowed in Hong Kong? Does this make sense?

If the Betcoin.ag operation shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, why do you need to irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao in The Netherlands Antilles for the settlement of any dispute or matters arising out of or concerning these Agreements or their enforceability?

Is the company who operates Betcoin.ag incorporated in Curacao and holds a worthless Curacao eGaming license?

If this is the case, what is the name of the company? Why is the name of the operator not stated on their website?

If Betcoin.ag has a valid license, why do they not state the seal on their website?

Do you feel comfortable to send your Bitcoin to something while you do not know who the operator is?

Would it matter for you if this something would have a gambling license, or do you not care at all?

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July 25, 2016, 06:01:17 PM
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Betcoin.ag Poker Terms of Service (TOS)

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BetcoinPoker.com advises You to read all of these documents carefully as each forms part of the legally binding agreement between You and BetcoinPoker.com

-> It is juridical not possible to have a legally binding agreement with a domain name! Legally binding agreements are only possible between legal entities or private persons. The “Terms of Service” does also neither state the name of the operator nor a gambling license (if any exist), nothing!

-> False and misleading statements are the criminal offense of fraud!

Fraud Act 2016

2 Fraud by false representation

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b) intends, by making the representation—

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A representation is false if—

(a) it is untrue or misleading, and

(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.

(3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of—

(a) the person making the representation, or

(b) any other person.

(4) A representation may be express or implied.

(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).


Betcoin.ag governed in Hong Kong or in Curacao or nowhere?

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25. GOVERNING LAW

These Agreements shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong. You irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao in The Netherlands Antilles for the settlement of any dispute or matters arising out of or concerning these Agreements or their enforceability.

Based on what shall the alleged agreements with Betcoin.ag be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong?

How could “These Agreements” be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, while online gambling is not allowed in Hong Kong? Does this make sense?

If the Betcoin.ag operation shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, why do you need to irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao in The Netherlands Antilles for the settlement of any dispute or matters arising out of or concerning these Agreements or their enforceability?

Is the company who operates Betcoin.ag incorporated in Curacao and holds a worthless Curacao eGaming license?

If this is the case, what is the name of the company? Why is the name of the operator not stated on their website?

If Betcoin.ag has a valid license, why do they not state the seal on their website?

Do you feel comfortable to send your Bitcoin to something while you do not know who the operator is?

Would it matter for you if this something would have a gambling license, or do you not care at all?

So, are you saying that anybody who endorses a bitcoin casino which is not licensed and regulated in some jurisdiction should not be trusted?  How many bitcoin casinos are actually licensed on this forum?  Do you know?  What would be better....a casino that is not licensed at all, or a casino that contracts out to software licensed and certified by gaming authorities off shore?  Can't have it both ways....either unregulated and decentralized currency or regulated and centralized currency.  Are you in the right forum?

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July 25, 2016, 07:18:26 PM
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I would like to join this campaign, please let me know if i am elgiable.
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Hi,

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July 25, 2016, 07:19:29 PM
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True.  Multi-accounting has ruined lucrative careers....Look up the stoxtrader (Nick Grudzian)/Leatherass (Dusty Schmitt) incident.  It's very serious.  Dusty wasn't even directly involved, yet his career took a huge hit.  Having multiple accounts on a single poker site is against a poker sites terms and conditions, regardless if the bad actor admits to collusion, short stacking, rat-holing, softplay, or multiple entry because it is hard to prove intent.  It was sufficient enough to ruin Dusty's career that multiple accounts were established, even though he wasn't proven to be the culprit; Nick was the Culprit.  

It is the responsibility of the site operator to ban multiple accounts to protect the integrity of the game.

This will lead you to the consensus in the poker community on the practice of multi-accounting:   http://www.internettexasholdem.com/poker-forum/general-board/nick-quotstoxtraderquot-grudzian-resigns-over-cheating-61589.html  There's also a link to the 2plus2 thread that detailed the incident.

You seem like a reasonable person, so I hope we can discuss this reasonably.  It seems like you have issues with other people who feel the same way that I do, but I hope that you don't transfer those feelings onto me, just as I won't transfer how I feel about Betcoin on to you.

Deal?

Also, I've been playing poker professionally for a very long time, so I assure you you don't have to link any reference material to me.  It's why I feel so strongly about Betcoin shaping up...I know what it does to the game to have dishonesty and shadiness.
 
If you know what 'multi-accounting' means, and you're accusing Twitchy of multi accounting when you know that the reason he created all of those accounts was to chat with support and chat in the public chat box, you are being dishonest with your accusation.  Because you know that he did not do what you are accusing him of doing.  It's like knowing that someone got banned from a store for cursing out the owner and then telling everyone "Well you get banned from stores for stealing, and that guy got banned from the store so he MUST have stolen a bunch of stuff!"  That's wrong, and amusingly enough that's literally libel (which is a word that I've seen Betcoin and Betcoin employees throw around on this forum often, always incorrectly).  Again, I only know what he's told me and what I've seen with my eyes.  If you have proof that he used multiple accounts to play in the same tournament or cash game, that's a whole different story.  But nobody has ever accused him of doing so, even Betcoin who has a history of doxxing their users.

Now my question...did Betcoin Jessica/Jessica White encourage/ask you to/pay you to/reward you for leaving Twitchy negative feedback?  Would you be willing to show a screenshot of your cashier/recent activity tab on Betcoin to prove that you did not in fact get paid/rewarded for doing so?

It's pretty telling that you are responding to everyone/everything...but not my reasonable question/request.

It's a tendency that I've noticed that everyone whose involved with Betcoin has.
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July 25, 2016, 07:45:04 PM
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True.  Multi-accounting has ruined lucrative careers....Look up the stoxtrader (Nick Grudzian)/Leatherass (Dusty Schmitt) incident.  It's very serious.  Dusty wasn't even directly involved, yet his career took a huge hit.  Having multiple accounts on a single poker site is against a poker sites terms and conditions, regardless if the bad actor admits to collusion, short stacking, rat-holing, softplay, or multiple entry because it is hard to prove intent.  It was sufficient enough to ruin Dusty's career that multiple accounts were established, even though he wasn't proven to be the culprit; Nick was the Culprit.  

It is the responsibility of the site operator to ban multiple accounts to protect the integrity of the game.

This will lead you to the consensus in the poker community on the practice of multi-accounting:   http://www.internettexasholdem.com/poker-forum/general-board/nick-quotstoxtraderquot-grudzian-resigns-over-cheating-61589.html  There's also a link to the 2plus2 thread that detailed the incident.

You seem like a reasonable person, so I hope we can discuss this reasonably.  It seems like you have issues with other people who feel the same way that I do, but I hope that you don't transfer those feelings onto me, just as I won't transfer how I feel about Betcoin on to you.

Deal?

Also, I've been playing poker professionally for a very long time, so I assure you you don't have to link any reference material to me.  It's why I feel so strongly about Betcoin shaping up...I know what it does to the game to have dishonesty and shadiness.
 
If you know what 'multi-accounting' means, and you're accusing Twitchy of multi accounting when you know that the reason he created all of those accounts was to chat with support and chat in the public chat box, you are being dishonest with your accusation.  Because you know that he did not do what you are accusing him of doing.  It's like knowing that someone got banned from a store for cursing out the owner and then telling everyone "Well you get banned from stores for stealing, and that guy got banned from the store so he MUST have stolen a bunch of stuff!"  That's wrong, and amusingly enough that's literally libel (which is a word that I've seen Betcoin and Betcoin employees throw around on this forum often, always incorrectly).  Again, I only know what he's told me and what I've seen with my eyes.  If you have proof that he used multiple accounts to play in the same tournament or cash game, that's a whole different story.  But nobody has ever accused him of doing so, even Betcoin who has a history of doxxing their users.

Now my question...did Betcoin Jessica/Jessica White encourage/ask you to/pay you to/reward you for leaving Twitchy negative feedback?  Would you be willing to show a screenshot of your cashier/recent activity tab on Betcoin to prove that you did not in fact get paid/rewarded for doing so?

It's pretty telling that you are responding to everyone/everything...but not my reasonable question/request.

It's a tendency that I've noticed that everyone whose involved with Betcoin has.

I had responded and posted screenshots directly after your questions; however, trolls immediately took the screenshots I posted and began "photo shopping" and using the information I posted in a manipulative manner....therefore, I deleted my post.

The conduct against the participants of this signature campaign is unethical at best and dishonest on the face of it.  At first I considered the fud just misinformed banter, but now I realize that it is more than just rash judgement.  I am now under the impression that it is a concerted effort to shut down an effective signature campaign in order to re-direct player traffic.  I understand betcoin's stance against the trolls because it is not possible to have rational discussions with irrational agitators.

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July 25, 2016, 07:52:06 PM
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The conduct against the participants of this signature campaign is unethical at best and dishonest on the face of it.  At first I considered the fud just misinformed banter, but now I realize that it is more than just rash judgement.  I am now under the impression that it is a concerted effort to shut down an effective signature campaign in order to re-direct player traffic.  I understand betcoin's stance against the trolls because it is not possible to have rational discussions with irrational agitators.
I tried having a discussion with Betcoin, but the NDA by BetSoft preventing me from knowing any details about the jasonort incident doesn't really help any "rational discussion", does it?
There's a need for both sides in a discussion, betcoin stonewalling on theirs doesn't help the dialogue. We've got several unresponded questions and valid concerns they just chose to ignore.


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July 25, 2016, 08:04:16 PM
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True.  Multi-accounting has ruined lucrative careers....Look up the stoxtrader (Nick Grudzian)/Leatherass (Dusty Schmitt) incident.  It's very serious.  Dusty wasn't even directly involved, yet his career took a huge hit.  Having multiple accounts on a single poker site is against a poker sites terms and conditions, regardless if the bad actor admits to collusion, short stacking, rat-holing, softplay, or multiple entry because it is hard to prove intent.  It was sufficient enough to ruin Dusty's career that multiple accounts were established, even though he wasn't proven to be the culprit; Nick was the Culprit.  

It is the responsibility of the site operator to ban multiple accounts to protect the integrity of the game.

This will lead you to the consensus in the poker community on the practice of multi-accounting:   http://www.internettexasholdem.com/poker-forum/general-board/nick-quotstoxtraderquot-grudzian-resigns-over-cheating-61589.html  There's also a link to the 2plus2 thread that detailed the incident.

You seem like a reasonable person, so I hope we can discuss this reasonably.  It seems like you have issues with other people who feel the same way that I do, but I hope that you don't transfer those feelings onto me, just as I won't transfer how I feel about Betcoin on to you.

Deal?

Also, I've been playing poker professionally for a very long time, so I assure you you don't have to link any reference material to me.  It's why I feel so strongly about Betcoin shaping up...I know what it does to the game to have dishonesty and shadiness.
 
If you know what 'multi-accounting' means, and you're accusing Twitchy of multi accounting when you know that the reason he created all of those accounts was to chat with support and chat in the public chat box, you are being dishonest with your accusation.  Because you know that he did not do what you are accusing him of doing.  It's like knowing that someone got banned from a store for cursing out the owner and then telling everyone "Well you get banned from stores for stealing, and that guy got banned from the store so he MUST have stolen a bunch of stuff!"  That's wrong, and amusingly enough that's literally libel (which is a word that I've seen Betcoin and Betcoin employees throw around on this forum often, always incorrectly).  Again, I only know what he's told me and what I've seen with my eyes.  If you have proof that he used multiple accounts to play in the same tournament or cash game, that's a whole different story.  But nobody has ever accused him of doing so, even Betcoin who has a history of doxxing their users.

Now my question...did Betcoin Jessica/Jessica White encourage/ask you to/pay you to/reward you for leaving Twitchy negative feedback?  Would you be willing to show a screenshot of your cashier/recent activity tab on Betcoin to prove that you did not in fact get paid/rewarded for doing so?

It's pretty telling that you are responding to everyone/everything...but not my reasonable question/request.

It's a tendency that I've noticed that everyone whose involved with Betcoin has.

I had responded and posted screenshots directly after your questions; however, trolls immediately took the screenshots I posted and began "photo shopping" and using the information I posted in a manipulative manner....therefore, I deleted my post.

The conduct against the participants of this signature campaign is unethical at best and dishonest on the face of it.  At first I considered the fud just misinformed banter, but now I realize that it is more than just rash judgement.  I am now under the impression that it is a concerted effort to shut down an effective signature campaign in order to re-direct player traffic.  I understand betcoin's stance against the trolls because it is not possible to have rational discussions with irrational agitators.

Yeah, I photoshopped your stupid screenshots to fuck with you.  It was obvious I did.  You're focusing on that because for some reason you think if you can convince people I fucked with you that will somehow excuse Betcoin for all the scummy shit they pull on a regular basis.

Get real idiot.

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July 25, 2016, 08:21:26 PM
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True.  Multi-accounting has ruined lucrative careers....Look up the stoxtrader (Nick Grudzian)/Leatherass (Dusty Schmitt) incident.  It's very serious.  Dusty wasn't even directly involved, yet his career took a huge hit.  Having multiple accounts on a single poker site is against a poker sites terms and conditions, regardless if the bad actor admits to collusion, short stacking, rat-holing, softplay, or multiple entry because it is hard to prove intent.  It was sufficient enough to ruin Dusty's career that multiple accounts were established, even though he wasn't proven to be the culprit; Nick was the Culprit.  

It is the responsibility of the site operator to ban multiple accounts to protect the integrity of the game.

This will lead you to the consensus in the poker community on the practice of multi-accounting:   http://www.internettexasholdem.com/poker-forum/general-board/nick-quotstoxtraderquot-grudzian-resigns-over-cheating-61589.html  There's also a link to the 2plus2 thread that detailed the incident.

You seem like a reasonable person, so I hope we can discuss this reasonably.  It seems like you have issues with other people who feel the same way that I do, but I hope that you don't transfer those feelings onto me, just as I won't transfer how I feel about Betcoin on to you.

Deal?

Also, I've been playing poker professionally for a very long time, so I assure you you don't have to link any reference material to me.  It's why I feel so strongly about Betcoin shaping up...I know what it does to the game to have dishonesty and shadiness.
 
If you know what 'multi-accounting' means, and you're accusing Twitchy of multi accounting when you know that the reason he created all of those accounts was to chat with support and chat in the public chat box, you are being dishonest with your accusation.  Because you know that he did not do what you are accusing him of doing.  It's like knowing that someone got banned from a store for cursing out the owner and then telling everyone "Well you get banned from stores for stealing, and that guy got banned from the store so he MUST have stolen a bunch of stuff!"  That's wrong, and amusingly enough that's literally libel (which is a word that I've seen Betcoin and Betcoin employees throw around on this forum often, always incorrectly).  Again, I only know what he's told me and what I've seen with my eyes.  If you have proof that he used multiple accounts to play in the same tournament or cash game, that's a whole different story.  But nobody has ever accused him of doing so, even Betcoin who has a history of doxxing their users.

Now my question...did Betcoin Jessica/Jessica White encourage/ask you to/pay you to/reward you for leaving Twitchy negative feedback?  Would you be willing to show a screenshot of your cashier/recent activity tab on Betcoin to prove that you did not in fact get paid/rewarded for doing so?

It's pretty telling that you are responding to everyone/everything...but not my reasonable question/request.

It's a tendency that I've noticed that everyone whose involved with Betcoin has.

I had responded and posted screenshots directly after your questions; however, trolls immediately took the screenshots I posted and began "photo shopping" and using the information I posted in a manipulative manner....therefore, I deleted my post.

The conduct against the participants of this signature campaign is unethical at best and dishonest on the face of it.  At first I considered the fud just misinformed banter, but now I realize that it is more than just rash judgement.  I am now under the impression that it is a concerted effort to shut down an effective signature campaign in order to re-direct player traffic.  I understand betcoin's stance against the trolls because it is not possible to have rational discussions with irrational agitators.

The problem I have with this response is that you have still refused to answer my question.  Do you understand why I'll have to assume that the answer is that you did get asked/paid to trash Twitchy?

Your last paragraph is clearly just grasping at straws.  I'm trying to have a rational discussion with you and you are refusing to engage me...after you spoke your piece.  That's not fair.
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July 25, 2016, 08:50:39 PM
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The conduct against the participants of this signature campaign is unethical at best and dishonest on the face of it.  At first I considered the fud just misinformed banter, but now I realize that it is more than just rash judgement.  I am now under the impression that it is a concerted effort to shut down an effective signature campaign in order to re-direct player traffic.  I understand betcoin's stance against the trolls because it is not possible to have rational discussions with irrational agitators.
I tried having a discussion with Betcoin, but the NDA by BetSoft preventing me from knowing any details about the jasonort incident doesn't really help any "rational discussion", does it?

Lutpin, I'll try to assume you don't grasp the full gravity of the Betsoft incident, it is much bigger than Betcoin, bitcoincointalk, or bitcoin.  They are a huge gaming platform provider, they are licensed, and they have jurisdictions where remedies for arbitration can be conducted.  If Betsoft is found to be rogue, then that will have an enormous impact on the entire industry.  As is stands, the incident with jason was resolved and they are continuing to pay.  However, the questions as to Betsoft's integrity will be answered by a respected audit conducted by qualified teams.  As for the NDA, we have to respect that privacy.  We cannot assume that a lack of detail is evidence of wrong doing because that, in and of itself, is an unsound argument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence).  Personally, I would be highly disappointed if Betsoft were found to be rogue because they provide some of the very best slot software in the industry but I would be the first to scream foul if their software continued to be offered after such a finding.

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July 25, 2016, 08:59:53 PM
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 However, the questions as to Betsoft's integrity will be answered by a respected audit conducted by qualified teams.

If you think the shady offshore "licensing" farms are going to do any sort of audit, you are very very wrong.

What is wrong with the impartial 9 month audit that was already done? https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/06/warning-avoid-all-betsoft-slots-and-casino-games

...you know, the one that led to every major online sportsbook/casino to remove Betsoft games from their site?
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