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July 30, 2016, 06:11:57 AM
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2) There is nothing in advertising betcoin by "normal" users that makes them a scammer.
I hate to use the word "scammer" because it usually results in a debate over the definition of the word.

But, advertising for Betcoin at this point can only be due to ignorance (intentional or not) or blatant disregard for the consequences of your decisions in exchange for money.
A negative rating is only appropriate if you were either scammed by said person, or you strongly believe that said person is a scammer (see the description of negative ratings on everyone's trust page). I would argue that you should not leave a negative rating against someone unless they meet a fairly broad definition of scammer. 

There is no reason that someone should trust betcoin simply because some random user is advertising for them.

Imo it's not the actual signature wearing that makes this campaign worth over BTC6 a month to Betcoin.  It's the way (many of) the sig campaign members will say or do anything to impress Betcoin who, in turn, rewards them with bonuses privately.  It creates this false "yay Betcoin, we are #1" hype among members who are mostly not even players on the site. 
This kind of activity implies that sockpuppets are being used, although it is also possible that these people are players who frequent betcoin and enjoy playing on their site (even the most scammy/unfair casinos/sites will have these types of people).

I also don't think the removing a paid signatures would necessarily prevent people from making these types of comments, nor would it prevent betcoin from paying bonuses for these types of comments. It would however make this kind of activity less transparent. It also appears that betcoin is not outright scamming all of their players, but is rather selectively scamming only some of their players (those that win their jackpots), so it is always possible that some of the people making these kinds of comments legitimately believe what they are saying.

3) If 2 was untrue, then there is no reason why participants should be allowed to continue to wear their signatures until the end of the payment period. You should either receive negative trust for wearing an advertisement or you don't.

I agree with you in principle, but I also think Lutpin is making the right choice on a human level by giving fair warning and allowing people to get paid and go find another more ethical campaign.  If he were to just drop the hammer mid-month there would be even 10x more drama than there is now.
I disagree. If someone is advertising a site that is an outright scam, then it is possible that someone could deposit funds to said site, and end up getting scammed.

Someone who were to leave negative trust because they are advertising a scammy business should be given some amount of grace period in order to do their own independent research and discuss said advertising. I think it is fairly clear that Lutpin is trying to make a name for himself, is trying to show that he is able to do whatever he wants in regards to leaving trust, and is a reflection of his immaturity.

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July 30, 2016, 06:33:22 AM
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A negative rating is only appropriate if you were either scammed by said person, or you strongly believe that said person is a scammer (see the description of negative ratings on everyone's trust page). I would argue that you should not leave a negative rating against someone unless they meet a fairly broad definition of scammer.
No idea which part you are missing?

1) Betcoin.ag is a publicly approven scam! If they would provably state the name of the operator, I could sue them instantly for fraud...

2) Promote a publicly approven scam = participation in this scam

3) Participation in a scam = criminal offense 



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1) Betcoin.ag is a publicly approven scam! If they would provably state the name of the operator, I could sue them instantly for fraud...

2) Promote a publicly approven scam = participation in this scam

3) Participation in a scam = criminal offense  



Who approved betcoin ? Do you know the meaning of the word  ?

If we're gonna talk about criminal offences; where did you register your bussiness ? Did you report taxes on that income ?  Tax evasion is a criminal offence
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July 30, 2016, 07:08:15 AM
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A negative rating is only appropriate if you were either scammed by said person, or you strongly believe that said person is a scammer (see the description of negative ratings on everyone's trust page). I would argue that you should not leave a negative rating against someone unless they meet a fairly broad definition of scammer.
No idea which part you are missing?

1) Betcoin.ag is a publicly approven scam! If they would provably state the name of the operator, I could sue them instantly for fraud...

2) Promote a publicly approven scam = participation in this scam

3) Participation in a scam = criminal offense 
Unless they defraud you, you do not have standing to sue them for fraud.

I don't think that betcoin has been proven to be a fraud, but would rather say that I strongly believe that betcoin is a fraud (scam).

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July 30, 2016, 07:24:23 AM
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A negative rating is only appropriate if you were either scammed by said person, or you strongly believe that said person is a scammer (see the description of negative ratings on everyone's trust page). I would argue that you should not leave a negative rating against someone unless they meet a fairly broad definition of scammer.
No idea which part you are missing?

1) Betcoin.ag is a publicly approven scam! If they would provably state the name of the operator, I could sue them instantly for fraud...

2) Promote a publicly approven scam = participation in this scam

3) Participation in a scam = criminal offense  
Unless they defraud you, you do not have standing to sue them for fraud.

I don't think that betcoin has been proven to be a fraud, but would rather say that I strongly believe that betcoin is a fraud (scam).
I can sue anyone who publicly committed the criminal offense of fraud, I do not need to be a victim of it.

Gladly, criminal laws and civil rights work based on facts and not on "thoughts". Imagine what a chaos it would be if they would depend on thoughts? This would at least require to introduce a thought police...  

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July 30, 2016, 07:48:03 AM
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HOW TO JOIN:
 
To join our campaign click the reply button and write a post where you will include an information "that you would like to join".
You don't have to write your current post count, Bitcoin address or anything else only to express interest in joining.
 
Soon after that you will be automatically forwarded to the recruitment process, in which campaign manager will choose only the best posters.
You will receive an answer to accept or reject your candidacy and further instructions via a forum's private message.
 

I'd like to join the signature campaign .

I dont receive anything PM , Betcoin.AG Let me know pls , thanks .


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July 30, 2016, 08:03:10 AM
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A negative rating is only appropriate if you were either scammed by said person, or you strongly believe that said person is a scammer (see the description of negative ratings on everyone's trust page). I would argue that you should not leave a negative rating against someone unless they meet a fairly broad definition of scammer.
No idea which part you are missing?

1) Betcoin.ag is a publicly approven scam! If they would provably state the name of the operator, I could sue them instantly for fraud...

2) Promote a publicly approven scam = participation in this scam

3) Participation in a scam = criminal offense 
Unless they defraud you, you do not have standing to sue them for fraud.

I don't think that betcoin has been proven to be a fraud, but would rather say that I strongly believe that betcoin is a fraud (scam).
I can sue anyone who publicly committed the criminal offense of fraud, I do not need to be a victim of it.

Gladly, criminal laws and civil rights work based on facts and not on "thoughts". Imagine what a chaos it would be if they would depend on thoughts? This would at least require to introduce a thought police... 
If you sue someone who has not committed any tort against you then such case would get dismissed, and the dismissal would get upheld on appeal. This is true regardless of the fact that you can sue anyone for any reason whatsoever.

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July 30, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
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I'd like to join the signature campaign .

I dont receive anything PM , Betcoin.AG Let me know pls , thanks .

I think you will be responded by the campaign manager after stage 8 is over.

He's Quite busy in counting the posts of users for the payment.
But not sure that you will be accepted or not.

EDIT : You might have to wait because i got a news that campaign manager has left the job.

So you might have to wait 1-2 weeks until everything is solved.

Thank you

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July 30, 2016, 08:56:35 AM
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1) Betcoin.ag is a publicly approven scam! If they would provably state the name of the operator, I could sue them instantly for fraud...

2) Promote a publicly approven scam = participation in this scam

3) Participation in a scam = criminal offense  


Who approved betcoin ?
The criminal laws and the false and misleading statements on their website approved that betcoin.ag is a fraud.


Do you know the meaning of the word  ?
No. please explain?


If we're gonna talk about criminal offences; where did you register your bussiness ?
Where did betcoin.ag register their business?


Did you report taxes on that income ?
Game Protect is a non-profit organisation.


Tax evasion is a criminal offence
Thank you for the info, was not aware of. Smiley

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July 30, 2016, 09:01:30 AM
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I'd like to join the campaign Cheesy
I'd like to join the signature campaign .
I dont receive anything PM , Betcoin.AG Let me know pls , thanks .

Hello,

sorry for a late reviews but I was extremely busy and wasn't able to stay close to my PC during the last day.


All accounts has been reviewed.


Have a great day,
best regards.

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July 30, 2016, 09:17:44 AM
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Who approved betcoin ?The criminal laws and the false and misleading statements on their website approved that betcoin.ag is a fraud.

This just proves that you have no idea what you're talking about. Learn the meaning of words before you use them.

Do you know the meaning of the word  ?
No. please explain?

en.wikipedia.org

If we're gonna talk about criminal offences; where did you register your bussiness ?
Where did betcoin.ag register their business?

where did you register your bussiness ? Dont avoid the question

Did you report taxes on that income ?
Game Protect is a non-profit organisation.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254 "Avoid this service. They cannot protect you with their "€90 for 1 year assistance service". You won't be protected by joining through their affiliate links either."

Liar, liar , pants on fire.

Tax evasion is a criminal offence
Thank you for the info, was not aware of. Smiley

Now you do.  Wink
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Of course Twitchy is going to spam this thread.  He's been not only spamming my thread, but spamming EVERY single post that I make.  There's multiple instances where Twitchy's made wrong assumptions of me and went on with it.

Here's how some of my players feel about his posts in my thread yet he continues to spam for malicious reasons, and he's even acknowledged to me he's purposely being malicious and "attacking" me.



Hey guys,

I'm just here to testimony that this RB service has always been reliable and gave me full satisfaction.

It also saddens me to see twichy seals constantly bashing the betcoin site and this service. No doubt numbers of new players have been thrown away by his constant spamming.

@Twichy : when you don't like a company, you go to their competitors. When you're smart, that is. Apparently, you've found nothing better in life than spam the webs and spend all your time on a site you keep bashing. Get a facking life, m0r0n


Just to say that Xiao is a nice affiliate and that I never had any problems neither my sub affiliate (He rakes high values not tiny tiny low as this loosers posting).

Xiao pays the right amount on time and always answers very quickly to any doubt so I dont understand this losers that keep posting.

And yes I check if the value of rake returned is right and it is.

Betcoin pays very fast and is a nice place to play.



Wow twitchy and the other trolls have to be some of the biggest dumbest trolls on the internet. Xaio provides a service and provides it very well. He can't do anything about what you are complaining about. He has also shown himself to be of high character with regsrd to the players over and over. I guarantee I've paid more rake to betcoin than anyone here and I don't feel slighted at all. They offer the best rb and xaio is a credit to the players. Continuing to nag him about this is pointless and just makes this thread unbearable.

Yes, why you don't start your own thread instead of filling this thread with garbage.  You clearly have mental problems as many people have stated.  Start your own thread and say whatever you want.



Wow you guys need to leave Xiao the fuck alone, everything about this service is amazing.



Hey guys,

I'm just here to testimony that this RB service has always been reliable and gave me full satisfaction.

It also saddens me to see twichy seals constantly bashing the betcoin site and this service. No doubt numbers of new players have been thrown away by his constant spamming.

@Twichy : when you don't like a company, you go to their competitors. When you're smart, that is. Apparently, you've found nothing better in life than spam the webs and spend all your time on a site you keep bashing. Get a facking life, m0r0n


This +1.

Xiaoxiao has always been great with his service, always paid the right amount in time and responded to queries very quickly and professionally. I dont know why one or two people have made it their purpose of life to bash him and his service all day long, its quite sad to see really. Ive had nothing but good experiences with the OP, he always paid what he promised and on time (which is a LOT more that can be said about most affs) and would absolutely recommend his rakeback for Betcoin.

When a player of mine posted this:

I always been payed by this affiliate he honors his word and my win rate on betcoin is higher then any other site. It has the weakest players. I honestly think bet coin is doing a great job and I am very negative about online poker rooms in general.

He immediately quoted a review that he made over 1 year ago in an attempt to shame him.  But that was 1 year ago, so clearly that means his opinion of the poker room has changed.

never mind dont sign up on betcoin. I just talked to their customer service very unprofessional and wont answer your question about if a game freezes in a sng do we get a refund. They siad just send a ticket. Screw them all join seals. Worst customer service I have had on any poker site. And they need customers and i play daily and play poker for a living. They thought i already signed up and had money deposited on the site so decided to be snotty and rude to me.  Great customer support. Dudes name was julian i think. GG. Ty for offer though I appreciate you trying to help out poker community but im not dealing with non professional people.


And also another example of Twitchy attacking my players.  When one of my players made this comment in the SWC thread, a totally valid comment:


I can't remember the last time I played tourney on SWC tbh. Sites only good for cash games i mean why play small sngs when you can play overlays and big tourneys on betcoin/wpn.

Twitchy sarcastically assumed he was "shilly" and then used one of his alternates/co-conspirator to give him a bad feedback, the same alternate he used to give me a bad feedback after he already gave me a malicious false feedback awhile ago.



excellent point, not shilly at all







Some more of my players telling him to stop spamming my service thread and their opinions of him:

Xiao, I thought you weren't going to respond to Twitchy anymore. There's no point in arguing with this guy. Not many regs like him either cause he takes up all of supports time when we're the ones that need help....



Can you be a little less cryptic for once and explain what you mean? We aren't all off our meds and we don't all speak spergs so please specify what you mean by shorting people rakeback.

If he has Asperger's or any other mental disability, he shouldn't be in the position he's in, cause his hit or miss tactics of calling out people and businesses could really hurt someone.  His obnoxiousness and mental instability pretty much outweighs his "scam alerts."  

There's more players who've spoken out about him, and people have said stuff to me in private about him which I won't post, but the reason he started to upset me was not because of his issues with Betcoin and Betsoft.  I personally believe Betsoft was incredibly unethical in the way they handled the Jasonort situation.  But he continues to attack my rakeback program by spamming the Betsoft issue and bringing up old poker room issues (that he had gotten wrong anyway).


Some evidence of Twitchy having alternates:




No, I'm leaning towards the fact that he is your alternate.  His claims are nearly identical to yours.  He supports all your posts, but either way it doesn't matter.  You've called out BtcFTW and NooBTC or something like that for doing the same thing.  Yet you do the exact same thing.

Latest posts of Cryptosmoker: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=511427;sa=showPosts

Someone that works as hard as Twitchy in his investigations but hasn't logged in for 3 days now?  I can't imagine someone that is like a clone of Twitchy but hasn't logged into the forums for 3 days now.









His actions aren't any better than the recipients of his accusations.  He abuses the little power that he's gained from sitting at the computer nearly 24/7 and calling out businesses with his hit or miss tactics.  

He clearly knew that the CardsChat review of Betcoin Poker had already been removed, but he continued posting it everywhere as if it was still valid.  Anyone with common sense could see that that review was virtually gibberish.



He infers that the reason it was removed was because Betcoin bribed them, but he's got absolutely no proof.  And even if Betcoin did bribe them, that just means he's posting the review of a company that accepts bribes as if it has merit.

He assumes that just because some players are outraged at him, it is the work of Betcoin.  That is not true, the reason I began noticing him was because he continued to spam my thread, and lately with casino related issues that has nothing to do with my rakeback service nor the poker room.

PS: There's a lot more cases in the past where Twitchy had been adamant that he's correct and it turned out that his assumption was wrong.  
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Do you know the meaning of the word  ?
No. please explain?

en.wikipedia.org

If we're gonna talk about criminal offences; where did you register your bussiness ?
Where did betcoin.ag register their business?

where did you register your bussiness ? Dont avoid the question

Did you report taxes on that income ?
Game Protect is a non-profit organisation.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254 "Avoid this service. They cannot protect you with their "€90 for 1 year assistance service". You won't be protected by joining through their affiliate links either."

Liar, liar , pants on fire.

Tax evasion is a criminal offence
Thank you for the info, was not aware of. Smiley

Now you do.  Wink

100% He's a liar.
He's just a jr. Member and pretending like he knows everything what's happening around.
Trolls like him is the reason " roslinpl " Left his post of campaign manager.
When i asked him what's the reason for saying farewell to the job of campaign manager,
he replied trolls are always posting nonsense and he can't always reply to them.
After all he got a life to live not just this forum.

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July 30, 2016, 10:23:07 AM
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Dear rosinpl thanks for accepting me. It will a honor to promote the signature of betcoin. Its feels nice to be part of this signature.
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July 30, 2016, 12:22:48 PM
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-snip-

Do you know the meaning of the word  ?
No. please explain?

en.wikipedia.org

If we're gonna talk about criminal offences; where did you register your bussiness ?
Where did betcoin.ag register their business?

where did you register your bussiness ? Dont avoid the question

Did you report taxes on that income ?
Game Protect is a non-profit organisation.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254 "Avoid this service. They cannot protect you with their "€90 for 1 year assistance service". You won't be protected by joining through their affiliate links either."

Liar, liar , pants on fire.

Tax evasion is a criminal offence
Thank you for the info, was not aware of. Smiley

Now you do.  Wink

100% He's a liar.
He's just a jr. Member and pretending like he knows everything what's happening around.
Trolls like him is the reason " roslinpl " Left his post of campaign manager.
When i asked him what's the reason for saying farewell to the job of campaign manager,
he replied trolls are always posting nonsense and he can't always reply to them.
After all he got a life to live not just this forum.

Rossilinp offered to remove signature and leave campaign if anyone could prove Betcoin was dishonest.

Literally 10 minutes later he removed signature and announced he was leaving campaign.


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July 30, 2016, 01:12:47 PM
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Rossilinp offered to remove signature and leave campaign if anyone could prove Betcoin was dishonest.
Literally 10 minutes later he removed signature and announced he was leaving campaign.


Actually, he did so because he was threatened constantly if he was to remain, by you, crypto-games affiliates, and Lutpin - an underage scholar and manager of crypto-games.net that
is currently on DT. All this in order not to help jasonort or anyone else, but to try to eliminate crypto-games.net competition


STAGE 10 SPECIAL BONUS

It's a pleasure to announce that Lutpin has a special bonus for everyone who will participate during the Stage 10
of Betcoin.ag Signature Campaign.
A nice, shiny -VE Trust rating
The trust rating runs all day, everyday, and can be seen by anyone using Depth 2+ on bitcointalk!

Let me then inform you that, starting end of the month, after all of you guys are being paid by betcoin.ag, I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag
I have nothing against any of you participants, that's the reason why I will wait with this till after your payround, but advertising betcoin.ag in their current state should not be anything acceptable on this forum.



So don't try to be anything else than a bully and a paid gun that you are.
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July 30, 2016, 01:19:04 PM
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Rossilinp offered to remove signature and leave campaign if anyone could prove Betcoin was dishonest.
Literally 10 minutes later he removed signature and announced he was leaving campaign.


Actually, he did so because he was threatened constantly if he was to remain, by you, crypto-games affiliates, and Lutpin - an underage scholar and manager of crypto-games.net that
is currently on DT. All this in order not to help jasonort or anyone else, but to try to eliminate crypto-games.net competition


STAGE 10 SPECIAL BONUS

It's a pleasure to announce that Lutpin has a special bonus for everyone who will participate during the Stage 10
of Betcoin.ag Signature Campaign.
A nice, shiny -VE Trust rating
The trust rating runs all day, everyday, and can be seen by anyone using Depth 2+ on bitcointalk!

Let me then inform you that, starting end of the month, after all of you guys are being paid by betcoin.ag, I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag
I have nothing against any of you participants, that's the reason why I will wait with this till after your payround, but advertising betcoin.ag in their current state should not be anything acceptable on this forum.



So don't try to be anything else than a bully and a paid gun that you are.

Actually, just before removing his signature and retiring from campaign he said this:


Quote from: Rossilinp
I think that this is my boiling point. I want you to show me any REAL PROOF that Betcoin.ag has scammed anyone.

IF anyone will show me any not fabricated proof I will be no longer the Betcoin.ag Campaign Manager and also I will remove my sig.
BUT so far after reading all of this "scam accusations" I found that none of it is real.

https://archive.is/gn6Zm  Smiley

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July 30, 2016, 01:44:35 PM
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You only proved yourself to be a bully to an another person you know.

Is that the reason why you stopped working for them?
I'm leaving because I'm sick of trolls and people like you who help the trolls to troll.

Tell me again why he's leaving ..


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July 30, 2016, 01:49:55 PM
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Tell me again why he's leaving ..
same reason he removed his signature.  to preserve his reputation.

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July 30, 2016, 01:51:21 PM
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-snip-

Do you know the meaning of the word  ?
No. please explain?

en.wikipedia.org

If we're gonna talk about criminal offences; where did you register your bussiness ?
Where did betcoin.ag register their business?

where did you register your bussiness ? Dont avoid the question

Did you report taxes on that income ?
Game Protect is a non-profit organisation.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254 "Avoid this service. They cannot protect you with their "€90 for 1 year assistance service". You won't be protected by joining through their affiliate links either."

Liar, liar , pants on fire.

Tax evasion is a criminal offence
Thank you for the info, was not aware of. Smiley

Now you do.  Wink

100% He's a liar.
He's just a jr. Member and pretending like he knows everything what's happening around.
Trolls like him is the reason " roslinpl " Left his post of campaign manager.
When i asked him what's the reason for saying farewell to the job of campaign manager,
he replied trolls are always posting nonsense and he can't always reply to them.
After all he got a life to live not just this forum.

Rossilinp offered to remove signature and leave campaign if anyone could prove Betcoin was dishonest.

Literally 10 minutes later he removed signature and announced he was leaving campaign.



I talked to him the reason he left is because he was tired of this trolls on this thread talking about betcoin.ag reputation and he can't Ignore them he was a bit stressed also.
Also look @the post above mine you will find more.

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