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July 12, 2016, 06:40:00 PM
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If this was sorted that greatly by you, why are you doing your best to cover everything up?
A business operating within morally acceptable borders doesn't push it's customers into signing some wicked NDA (I suspect that's what happened with jason).
Or how can you explain that he is not willing to share details about his settlement when he initially was so open about sharing this situation?
Why does he say "I can't tell more" if not because you made him shut up?

Lutpin, the agreement is with the player and the software provider.  This was never a dispute with Betcoin and our player.  It was a dispute with our player and the software provider.    As far as we are concerned, he can share any specifics that he wants and we never even asked him to sign an agreement with us.  We never needed an agreement, a settlement or for him to shut up and encouraged him not to shut up and spoke to him nearly everyday about the matter.  This was a dispute with the software provider.  We actually want him to speak more about it and say whatever he wants. 
If, as you say, the problem lied with Betsoft vs jasonort, then why did you deliberately change the terms of service to act as if jasonort did not meet the requirements to win the jackpot, and intentionally did not change the "Last updated" date until far after the incident was "resolved"?

We actually didn't realize you have to manually do that in the system.  Once we were notified that was changed and now we have been able to change it again.  We need to have archived versions that will come on the next system update.  Ask the player as we were clear with him from the very beginning.  Sometimes he didn't like the pace or speed of things but that is to be expected in a situation like this. 

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July 12, 2016, 06:41:22 PM
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So you acknowledge that BetSoft is disgusting scum of the worst sort?
In this case, why don't you drop all BetSoft games right now? Why do you continue to work with software providers that have business practices that are below any reasonable standard?
Why don't you take a stronger stand for your customers? Why do you allow BetSoft to get away that easy with this and to continue scamming players?
Grow a pair and stand up to them. Tell them to make things either right or fuck off.
Show us that you're not the same as them, tell us, why should we trust you?


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July 12, 2016, 06:43:56 PM
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This is exactly right twitchyseal, we had to convince the CEO of Betsoft to make a payment here and they did.  There were other issues involved like it was a free / bonus round and those shouldn't payout jackpots we were told but this wasn't clear.

First, it is important to understand when you play casino games from a software provider you are playing on the software provider's servers directly through Betcoin or another online casino.  The operator, Betcoin has no access to the games and cannot change them in anyway.  Equally, when you are playing a progressive or jackpot, the casino software provider pays these wins out because it is based on the players of all online casinos using their games.  This is what enables a very small casino to pay out a large jackpot, because the software provider pays it out based on their much larger overall player base.  

The software provider pays the player in these situations as was the case here ultimately after lengthy conversations.

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July 12, 2016, 06:53:23 PM
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So you acknowledge that BetSoft is disgusting scum of the worst sort?
In this case, why don't you drop all BetSoft games right now? Why do you continue to work with software providers that have business practices that are below any reasonable standard?
Why don't you take a stronger stand for your customers? Why do you allow BetSoft to get away that easy with this and to continue scamming players?
Grow a pair and stand up to them. Tell them to make things either right or fuck off.
Show us that you're not the same as them, tell us, why should we trust you?

Lutpin, we continue to study this in great detail and have asked for an independent auditing of the games.  We are certainly assessing the situation in full and further detail and will do what is right.  We must also note that our top competitors use the software providers games yet because of this player situation which we handled well for the player are thrust into this position. 

We pretty much told them what you said and according to the software provider and the player they made things right. 

If you are saying you shouldn't trust Betcoin, then you shouldn't trust all of our competitors who feature these same games and many of the top online casinos.  If this is how you really feel then why do you give us negative trust and not them?  We don't think they deserve negative trust and we also do not deserve negative trust.  This situation was actually made right by Betcoin and it would be interesting to see how others would have handled it. 

We love our great players and want to give them the best place to play.  The aggrieved player has played with Betcoin throughout this process and even to this day and we are very thankful for that.

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July 12, 2016, 07:02:05 PM
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xetsr 150: -0 / +16   2016-07-12   0.00000000   Reference   I would avoid gambling at this site. I very much doubt jasonort was paid what he really won and was instead paid off to keep his mouth shut.

Lastly, this is completely untrue and a clear misunderstanding of the relationship between operators, software providers and customers especially in cases of jackpots.  We don't want nor ever asked jasonort to keep his mouth shut.  Betcoin also didn't pay jasonort off.  This was an agreement between jasonort and the software provider that if we didn't intervene the software provider was not going to pay anything to jasonort.  We should point this out one more time.

First, it is important to understand when you play casino games from a software provider you are playing on the software provider's servers directly through Betcoin or another online casino.  The operator, Betcoin has no access to the games and cannot change them in anyway.  Equally, when you are playing a progressive or jackpot, the casino software provider pays these wins out because it is based on the players of all online casinos using their games.  This is what enables a very small casino to pay out a large jackpot, because the software provider pays it out based on their much larger overall player base. 

The software provider pays the player in these situations as was the case here ultimately after lengthy conversations.

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July 12, 2016, 07:18:44 PM
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Equally, when you are playing a progressive or jackpot, the casino software provider pays these wins out because it is based on the players of all online casinos using their games. This is what enables a very small casino to pay out a large jackpot, because the software provider pays it out based on their much larger overall player base.  
I understand the concept behind progressive jackpots.

Are you claiming that the progressive Jackpots offered by Betcoin have always been shared by all online casinos using their games?  
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July 12, 2016, 11:15:59 PM
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you are playing on the software provider's servers directly through Betcoin or another online casino.  The operator, Betcoin has no access to the games and cannot change them in anyway.  Equally, when you are playing a progressive or jackpot, the casino software provider pays these wins out because it is based on the players of all online casinos using their games. 
You have the opportunity to remove the games from your website if the software provider is engaging in less then fair (to say it nicely) business practices. You know very well that a player that you sent to BetSoft should have won a jackpot but ended up receiving a fraction of what he should have received. You are responsible if you send a player to a certain software provider's "server", the player wins, but the software provider does not payout.

By sending players to a software provider that you know acts unfairly to players, you yourself are acting unfairly to players, and you are whoring out whatever reputation you have left in exchange for payment from the software provider that you receive.

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July 13, 2016, 12:39:00 AM
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you are playing on the software provider's servers directly through Betcoin or another online casino.  The operator, Betcoin has no access to the games and cannot change them in anyway.  Equally, when you are playing a progressive or jackpot, the casino software provider pays these wins out because it is based on the players of all online casinos using their games. 
You have the opportunity to remove the games from your website if the software provider is engaging in less then fair (to say it nicely) business practices. You know very well that a player that you sent to BetSoft should have won a jackpot but ended up receiving a fraction of what he should have received. You are responsible if you send a player to a certain software provider's "server", the player wins, but the software provider does not payout.

By sending players to a software provider that you know acts unfairly to players, you yourself are acting unfairly to players, and you are whoring out whatever reputation you have left in exchange for payment from the software provider that you receive.

We are continuing to research this matter in great detail, but your statements indicate that every casino offering Betsoft games should take them down immediately and not give Betsoft an opportunity to respond to this.  The top online casinos at BitcoinTalk use Betsoft games, therefore your statements should be directed at all of the casinos that use Betsoft games if you really believe this to be true. 

This was not a Betcoin issue it was a Betsoft issue that could have happened on any casino offering Betsoft games.  Our negative trust and comments all come from this issue between a player and Betsoft that Betcoin worked tirelessly to make right for the player. 

We understand the responses and inquiries regarding this and are not disappointed that it happened while at Betcoin because it will only make things better for our growing community and once our software provider finishes the update, we have some wonderful new features that will be integrated. 

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July 13, 2016, 12:47:16 AM
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Are you claiming that the progressive Jackpots offered by Betcoin have always been shared by all online casinos using their games?  

You guys see what happened there.  A simple question left unanswered.



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July 13, 2016, 01:37:17 AM
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We are continuing to research this matter in great detail, 
we had to convince the CEO of Betsoft to make a payment here
It sounds like to me that you have already done more then enough research on the issue.

And no, I would not trust any other online casino that still uses BetSoft games. However the other casinos did not direct a player to a game in which the player won the jackpot but did not receive the full jackpot amount. This player went to "betcoin.ag" when they were playing this game, not one of your competitors.

Any casino that does decide to continue running BetSoft software also has the option of paying out any jackpot that BetSoft does not honor that should have been paid out -- which would be the right thing to do.

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July 13, 2016, 01:55:32 AM
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Just want to put this on record, I removed my Betcoin.ag signature and avatar last night as of July 12, 2016
Thanks Betcoin.ag and roslinpl

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i hope problem is solved win win solotuin
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July 13, 2016, 03:42:24 AM
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In my opinion, most of casinos is working on this same base..

It looks like some of trusted, but not experienced users have been involved in "little war" between casinos..

My advice for many good fellows on this forum - do not get fooled!

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July 13, 2016, 03:49:43 AM
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https://casino.bitcoin.com also uses Betsoft Games platform. But I doubt anyone complaining about them for not paying progressive jackpot. I have a feeling that the percentage which is not paid to the player is being sent to Betcoin.ag directly.

Betcoin is guilty here. Not Betsoft Games.

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July 13, 2016, 07:05:54 AM
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https://casino.bitcoin.com also uses Betsoft Games platform. But I doubt anyone complaining about them for not paying progressive jackpot. I have a feeling that the percentage which is not paid to the player is being sent to Betcoin.ag directly.

Betcoin is guilty here. Not Betsoft Games.
True i don't understand why trusted users abuse Rating power. A very trusted very found Betsoft software guilty and says to stay away from it look BitcoinAg trust rating for that. Maybe you'r correct that bitcoin.ag is guilty

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July 13, 2016, 07:34:03 AM
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I strongly suggest that the thread title be changed to Betcoin Scam Accusations not Betcoin Signature Campaign. I don't see any exact thing about signature campaign on the these past few post, it was all about sharing their romantic feelings for betcoin, explendid guesses , exact to the point opinions and maybe facts? about the thing that happened to that guy jasonort. I thought I could join the betcoin signature campaign, as what my friend recommended to me.  Sad
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July 13, 2016, 07:39:30 AM
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Changing the rule of the game while the game is still on is not good specially if the change was made to benefit the owner and not the player. If there's a dispute, it should be settled first before changing TOS. Change of TOS must be made public or players should be made aware of it.

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July 13, 2016, 07:59:02 AM
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I strongly suggest that the thread title be changed to Betcoin Scam Accusations not Betcoin Signature Campaign. I don't see any exact thing about signature campaign on the these past few post, it was all about sharing their romantic feelings for betcoin, explendid guesses , exact to the point opinions and maybe facts? about the thing that happened to that guy jasonort. I thought I could join the betcoin signature campaign, as what my friend recommended to me.  Sad
Well it's because Betcoin staffs didnt respond the scam accusations against them quickly on their gambling thread, thats why the suspects come here since Betcoin official account frequently visit and make a post on this thread.

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July 13, 2016, 08:11:00 AM
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I personally want to thank roslinpl for having been an excellent campaign manager and he clearly is a recognized great member of the BitcoinTalk community.

Betcoin.ag members are not paid some sort spammers given the names and statuses involved.

If most of the campaigns were run like this one this forum would be completely different.

thank you roslinpl for your contribution, it will be very hard for who'll come next.







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July 13, 2016, 10:54:41 AM
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See....I think that there are just a lot of inexperienced individuals chiming in on this incident.  The point is that the problem was resolved.  The person who had the conflict states that it was resolved.  The question regarding the integrity of the Betsoft software is something that has not had a fully peer reviewed audit, but Bovada is currently running an audit to check for the inconsistencies pointed out by casinolistings.  I have no doubt that if it's proven that Betsoft delivers a dishonest service that their services will be discontinued across the board.  None the less, I don't think it was right to harass our campaign manager to the point of having a nervous breakdown and quitting on us.  Threatening negative trust based on assumptions in an attempt to shutdown honest campaigns and scalp users to competing sites is just wrong.

I know that i am not in this campaign and don't know much about it but as you said Bet soft software is proven Dishonest results its fully true even i heard many Legendary members talking about it.But why Campaign manager is being harassed for the Owner of website. I talked to the him few time and he seems to be polite and doing his job nicely  Angry

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